STOP ADDING RNG TO DEFENDER KITS

ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
Not only is this current BG meta doodoo water, but it also revitalized my hatred towards certain defenders, specifically Jean Grey and enchantress. There is absolutely no reason why when I try to interrupt enchantress' heavy, she should be allowed to miss THREE times in a row. Literally no amount of game skill can account for this mechanic, especially in this meta where blocking is like an instant loss.

You would think after domino, they'd realize how damaging RNG defenders are for the game (had to constantly add AA reduction immune champs to fix their mess up). But nope they also decide to add Jean Grey to the game, who has a 50% to invert your controls every special. How is one genuinely supposed to prepare for that? Especially when reverse control immune is pretty scarce to begin with.

Yes some defenders should be harder than others, but the pattern to beat them should still be relatively the same each time you fight them. By adding RNG into the mix, you heavily negate skill expression.

And yes I just lost to enchantress which is why I'm making this post.
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  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,023 ★★★★★
    Jean isn’t hard to play around tbh. Enchantress complaint is valid
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,052 ★★★★★
    Is blocking jeans special attack not an option?
  • ChiliDogChiliDog Member Posts: 923 ★★★
    Why would they? They are getting their rocks , for BS defenders.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★

    Is blocking jeans special attack not an option?

    If you actually want to win in BGs, obviously not lol
  • TheUglyone123TheUglyone123 Member Posts: 657 ★★★★
    edited June 21
    Zuro said:

    Jean is not as bad. At least there is a way to hard counter her RnG. Just bring reverse control immune. Enchantress is completely BS. I had a match where I missed six times, after baiting her heavy, taking a ton of block damage. And it happened over and over and over again.

    Respectfully you're overestimating how many reverse control immune champs there are to counter her
    Respectfully, no I am not. Jack, juggs, and sinister all absolutely wreck her. Those three champs almost never leave my deck. And that’s just three champs off the dome
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    edited June 21

    Zuro said:

    Jean is not as bad. At least there is a way to hard counter her RnG. Just bring reverse control immune. Enchantress is completely BS. I had a match where I missed six times, after baiting her heavy, taking a ton of block damage. And it happened over and over and over again.

    Respectfully you're overestimating how many reverse control immune champs there are to counter her
    Respectfully, no I am not. Jack, juggs, and sinister all absolutely wreck her. Those three champs almost never leave my deck
    Juggs literally doesn't work since she places exhaustion on you. And I have r4 jack who always ends up banned because of her. Plus when everyone is running inequity, sinister is hardly the move outside of his perfect matchups (Especially when the last 4 BG metas have punished blocking, which is essential for sinister)
  • TheUglyone123TheUglyone123 Member Posts: 657 ★★★★
    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    edited June 21
    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
    You act like miss is the only problem in her kit. You have to constantly remove her spells that are RNG reliant, some of which interfere with each other (unstoppable while dashing when you have to intercept), all before she reaches a bar of power or else she reflects all that damage back. When things like mystic dispersion are in the game, even some of her best counters mess up simply because they were dealt with a bad assortment of spells.

    Ngl it just sounds like you have a r4 enchantress and are scared of any valid criticism towards her.
    I mean interrupting heavy, knocking down and intercepts are pretty basic skills. Time for you to go train at the temple and learn the basics and master all 4 elements.

    P.S my enchantress r3 she mid would never r4
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 996 ★★★★
    edited June 21
    I agree on everything except Jean. I personally think Jean will be a defender that we will simply get better at fighting. I fought one today this meta and The fight was going so well until her AI decided to be ultra aggressive and not block etc. Yadda yadda lost about 60% health from reversed ctrl getting hit and block damage.

    But up until that mistake, I found her pretty simple I just had to pay attention to when I took of her shield and her "CALL-OUT"

    Definitely agree with enchantress she's borderline nearly unbeatable this meta. I did a 100% health finish with Kate (KEEP IN MIND I PUSHED HER TO HER SP3 BUT SHE DECIDED TO HAVE MERCY LOL so it was basicallyjust luck). I have died more times than I've survived to her this meta.

    You literally have to take off 3 spells (ALL OF WHICH INVOLVE YOU HITTING HER coupled with the energize node she's already at another sp1 by the time you take out her spells. NOT TO MENTION her AI can decide not to play into your intercepts. I have died soo many times from dmg reflect to her this meta because I was unable to take off her spells before she reached another special 1 and the cycle repeats.

    I also wish Jean didn't place those exhaustions tho cos it plays into inequity and also ruins the CRIT damage CHAMPS which kabam is gradually destroying with every defender that comes out. I know she has that mechanic to further create new techs that do not crit so I understand but most defenders now mitigate big crits and its so annoying. The game is moving to such a RED NUMBERS ONLY meta and I hate it so much.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    I agree on everything except Jean. I personally think Jean will be a defender that we will simply get better at fighting. I fought one today this meta and The fight was going so well until her AI decided to be ultra aggressive and not block etc. Yadda yadda lost about 60% health from reversed ctrl getting hit and block damage.

    But up until that mistake, I found her pretty simple I just had to pay attention to when I took of her shield and her "CALOUT"

    Definitely agree with enchantress she's borderline nearly unbeatable this meta. I did a 100% health finish with Kate (KEEP IN MIND I PUSHED HER TO HER SP3 BUT SHE DECIDED TO HAVE MERCY LOL so it was basicallyjust luck). I have died more times than I've survived to her this meta. I also wish Jean didn't place those exhaustions tho cos it plays into inequity and also ruins the CRIT damage CHAMPS which kabam is gradually destroying with every defender that comes out. I know she has that mechanic to further create new techs that do not crit so I understand but most defenders now mitigate big crits and its so annoying. The game is moving to such a RED NUMBERS ONLY meta and I hate it so much.

    Yeah it feels like the game just hates Starky at this point. Had to learn the hard way when I tried using him against her for the first time lol
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
    You act like miss is the only problem in her kit. You have to constantly remove her spells that are RNG reliant, some of which interfere with each other (unstoppable while dashing when you have to intercept), all before she reaches a bar of power or else she reflects all that damage back. When things like mystic dispersion are in the game, even some of her best counters mess up simply because they were dealt with a bad assortment of spells.

    Ngl it just sounds like you have a r4 enchantress and are scared of any valid criticism towards her.
    I mean interrupting heavy, knocking down and intercepts are pretty basic skills. Time for you to go train at the temple and learn the basics and master all 4 elements.

    P.S my enchantress r3 she mid would never r4
    I'ma just leave the convo here, you're just being disingenuous to try and get your point across. Those are obviously basic skills when u don't have to deal with power gain, miss, unstoppable, and evade on knockdown randomly whilst trying not to bait a sp1 beforehand
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,723 ★★★★★
    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    What if they are not in your deck
  • FaustOutLoudFaustOutLoud Member Posts: 24

    Is blocking jeans special attack not an option?

    Not in the GC Meta you'd get absolutely Cooked and you want to bait her L2s if you can her L1s aren't bad but you immediately can go reverse controls right after for a bit.
  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
    You act like miss is the only problem in her kit. You have to constantly remove her spells that are RNG reliant, some of which interfere with each other (unstoppable while dashing when you have to intercept), all before she reaches a bar of power or else she reflects all that damage back. When things like mystic dispersion are in the game, even some of her best counters mess up simply because they were dealt with a bad assortment of spells.

    Ngl it just sounds like you have a r4 enchantress and are scared of any valid criticism towards her.
    I mean interrupting heavy, knocking down and intercepts are pretty basic skills. Time for you to go train at the temple and learn the basics and master all 4 elements.

    P.S my enchantress r3 she mid would never r4
    I'ma just leave the convo here, you're just being disingenuous to try and get your point across. Those are obviously basic skills when u don't have to deal with power gain, miss, unstoppable, and evade on knockdown randomly whilst trying not to bait a sp1 beforehand
    So what you never fought Enchantress before?Well you remove the green spell first. That will stop her from evading, going unstoppable in dash, and missing. You could also just remove both the green and the purple spell by countering her heavy with a heavy of your own. Than all you need to do is a simple intercept and there is no spells. Always remove the green spell first. Than you don’t deal with any of her “rng”. Yw in advance 😉
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,111 ★★★★★
    I like the unpredictability of it all, keeps things exciting, fun and interactive damage is good too, keep it coming kabam
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
    You act like miss is the only problem in her kit. You have to constantly remove her spells that are RNG reliant, some of which interfere with each other (unstoppable while dashing when you have to intercept), all before she reaches a bar of power or else she reflects all that damage back. When things like mystic dispersion are in the game, even some of her best counters mess up simply because they were dealt with a bad assortment of spells.

    Ngl it just sounds like you have a r4 enchantress and are scared of any valid criticism towards her.
    I mean interrupting heavy, knocking down and intercepts are pretty basic skills. Time for you to go train at the temple and learn the basics and master all 4 elements.

    P.S my enchantress r3 she mid would never r4
    I'ma just leave the convo here, you're just being disingenuous to try and get your point across. Those are obviously basic skills when u don't have to deal with power gain, miss, unstoppable, and evade on knockdown randomly whilst trying not to bait a sp1 beforehand
    So what you never fought Enchantress before?Well you remove the green spell first. That will stop her from evading, going unstoppable in dash, and missing. You could also just remove both the green and the purple spell by countering her heavy with a heavy of your own. Than all you need to do is a simple intercept and there is no spells. Always remove the green spell first. Than you don’t deal with any of her “rng”. Yw in advance 😉
    You literally have no idea what you're talking about. First off, one of her green spells is literally responsible for the missing, which is why interrupting her heavy sometimes fail because you miss due to "RNG". Secondly, you mention removing green and purple spells by countering her heavy with yours, but if you get the green spell that makes her evade on knockdown due to RNG that method doesn't work. Just admit you're wrong lmao
  • SkyfawSkyfaw Member Posts: 315 ★★★
    edited June 22
    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:



    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Zuro said:

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Ah yes cause they will simply show up in my draft every single time...

    Miss isn't even the start of all of enchantress' problems
    I only named 2 but there a lot of other champs who can take her with ease.

    If you don’t know how to bait a heavy without blocking that’s a skill issue on your part. I’ve taken several enchantress at full hp. Just ban her if you can’t take her well, but I understand most people in the forums not talking about you specifically but others don’t switch up the strat or push themselves to figure out different ways to take a defender down. Personally I like the challenge makes things interesting. Rather have this than have 2 op attackers and win.

    Skyfaw said:

    Use a champ that can’t miss. Like Photon or Bullseye. Yw

    Yeah, here’s the issue with that. I recognize that they counter her excellently. However, when I only draft three defenders (due to draft RNG) I can’t afford to put photon or bullseye on offense, because they are so good on defense. So that don’t work out too well
    I mean that a different issue entirely than what the op is talking about. Gotta get your deck situation right if you trynna compete. Plus this meta you want defenders that punish you for hitting block. Dust, Red Skull, Electro and Zola are some defenders that come to mind that slow attackers down.
    I wouldn’t use Bullseye on def he gets nuked to fast by too many attackers. Besides dude is cooking a bunch of defenders in 30 secs. This meta he a cheat code.
    I literally mentioned in the original post that I baited her heavy 3 times without blocking and missed every single hit, so idk where you got this "skill issue" comment from. The whole point is there no "strat", when dealing with rng-based kits, especially if you don't have the absolutely perfect counter. This is because every fight is different from the last with these champs, which heavily messes with skill expression. There is a difference between a "challenge", and genuinely unfair defenders reliant on luck.
    If you using a champ that can’t counter miss that’s a you problem. You can’t call it rng when there are things in the game that literally counter that so that it won’t be an issue 🤦🏽‍♂️
    You act like miss is the only problem in her kit. You have to constantly remove her spells that are RNG reliant, some of which interfere with each other (unstoppable while dashing when you have to intercept), all before she reaches a bar of power or else she reflects all that damage back. When things like mystic dispersion are in the game, even some of her best counters mess up simply because they were dealt with a bad assortment of spells.

    Ngl it just sounds like you have a r4 enchantress and are scared of any valid criticism towards her.
    I mean interrupting heavy, knocking down and intercepts are pretty basic skills. Time for you to go train at the temple and learn the basics and master all 4 elements.

    P.S my enchantress r3 she mid would never r4
    I'ma just leave the convo here, you're just being disingenuous to try and get your point across. Those are obviously basic skills when u don't have to deal with power gain, miss, unstoppable, and evade on knockdown randomly whilst trying not to bait a sp1 beforehand
    So what you never fought Enchantress before?Well you remove the green spell first. That will stop her from evading, going unstoppable in dash, and missing. You could also just remove both the green and the purple spell by countering her heavy with a heavy of your own. Than all you need to do is a simple intercept and there is no spells. Always remove the green spell first. Than you don’t deal with any of her “rng”. Yw in advance 😉
    You literally have no idea what you're talking about. First off, one of her green spells is literally responsible for the missing, which is why interrupting her heavy sometimes fail because you miss due to "RNG". Secondly, you mention removing green and purple spells by countering her heavy with yours, but if you get the green spell that makes her evade on knockdown due to RNG that method doesn't work. Just admit you're wrong lmao
    You’ve never fought enchantress and it shows. Why come here and act like you know what you’re talking about? You interrupt her heavy first before the knockdown. Therefore the green spell gets removed and the purple one will then follow all in the same sequence.

    You keep harping on RNG like you can’t just use a champ that literally prevents the RNG. You keep saying miss miss miss. Like there aren’t champs who counter miss. It’s like beating a dead horse. If you want to stay mid and continue this ridiculous narrative like enchantress is unbeatable than you have my permission 😉

    Here are some SS of me taking the green and purple spell in one heavy. You're welcome and don’t forget to train at the temple.

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  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    Skyfaw said:




    This method is also champ reliant. Any character with a single-hit heavy attack can't do this. Not to mention depending on the spell lineup, there would still be a chance at missing. No one is saying enchantress is an impossible matchup, I'm simply saying that you could be the most skilled player in the world and still mess up strictly because you were dealt an unfortunate assortment of spells. Regardless I'ma leave the convo here fr this time
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,023 ★★★★★
    Zuro said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    I agree on everything except Jean. I personally think Jean will be a defender that we will simply get better at fighting. I fought one today this meta and The fight was going so well until her AI decided to be ultra aggressive and not block etc. Yadda yadda lost about 60% health from reversed ctrl getting hit and block damage.

    But up until that mistake, I found her pretty simple I just had to pay attention to when I took of her shield and her "CALOUT"

    Definitely agree with enchantress she's borderline nearly unbeatable this meta. I did a 100% health finish with Kate (KEEP IN MIND I PUSHED HER TO HER SP3 BUT SHE DECIDED TO HAVE MERCY LOL so it was basicallyjust luck). I have died more times than I've survived to her this meta. I also wish Jean didn't place those exhaustions tho cos it plays into inequity and also ruins the CRIT damage CHAMPS which kabam is gradually destroying with every defender that comes out. I know she has that mechanic to further create new techs that do not crit so I understand but most defenders now mitigate big crits and its so annoying. The game is moving to such a RED NUMBERS ONLY meta and I hate it so much.

    Yeah it feels like the game just hates Starky at this point. Had to learn the hard way when I tried using him against her for the first time lol
    Considering Starky still takes 95% of meta defenders including Zola and DT I don’t think the game hates him at all lol
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,969 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Zuro said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    I agree on everything except Jean. I personally think Jean will be a defender that we will simply get better at fighting. I fought one today this meta and The fight was going so well until her AI decided to be ultra aggressive and not block etc. Yadda yadda lost about 60% health from reversed ctrl getting hit and block damage.

    But up until that mistake, I found her pretty simple I just had to pay attention to when I took of her shield and her "CALOUT"

    Definitely agree with enchantress she's borderline nearly unbeatable this meta. I did a 100% health finish with Kate (KEEP IN MIND I PUSHED HER TO HER SP3 BUT SHE DECIDED TO HAVE MERCY LOL so it was basicallyjust luck). I have died more times than I've survived to her this meta. I also wish Jean didn't place those exhaustions tho cos it plays into inequity and also ruins the CRIT damage CHAMPS which kabam is gradually destroying with every defender that comes out. I know she has that mechanic to further create new techs that do not crit so I understand but most defenders now mitigate big crits and its so annoying. The game is moving to such a RED NUMBERS ONLY meta and I hate it so much.

    Yeah it feels like the game just hates Starky at this point. Had to learn the hard way when I tried using him against her for the first time lol
    Considering Starky still takes 95% of meta defenders including Zola and DT I don’t think the game hates him at all lol
    I was exaggerating, but with Jean Grey and captain Britain with their exhaustions it's clear they wanna stop him to some extent. (Plus Yelena and sorta Nico)
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