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Is it a known bug that Nebula doesn't apply stored shock charges on well timed blocks?

hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,726 ★★★★★
edited July 29 in General Discussion
I just realized that it only applies when a well timed block results in a stun - contrary to her description
Example - fight a non contact champ.. parry the non-contact.. doesn't apply, then reparry a contact hit.. it applies

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  • KlippKlipp Member Posts: 267 ★★
    Well I believe you just answered your own question and it’s not a bug. You can’t apply something if it’s non contact unless it says in her kit she can parry non contact hits.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,777 ★★★★★
    Yeah, she only applies the shock of the attack is contact. Same applies if you parry special hits
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    Magrailothos said:

    Klipp said:

    Well I believe you just answered your own question and it’s not a bug. You can’t apply something if it’s non contact unless it says in her kit she can parry non contact hits.

    Every champion can use the Parry mastery against non-contact attacks, projectiles and even Specials; and benefit from the damage reduction. They just won't all apply the stun, unless they've got that special ability.

    So yes, Nebula should be able to inflict Shock debuffs against non-contact opponents. And if she doesn't, it's a bug.
    I won't call it a bug. But overlooked due to old kit.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,793 ★★★★★
    Nebula has a very interesting kit but I wonder will she make a comeback if released as a 7* at current state of does she need a tune up? What do you guys think
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Nebula has a very interesting kit but I wonder will she make a comeback if released as a 7* at current state of does she need a tune up? What do you guys think

    She don't need a tune up. She got utility and damage.
    6* suffers from cpr.
    There are many mid 6* who are performing well above average just being 7*s.
  • GoodlordbirdGoodlordbird Member Posts: 66 ★
    @hungryhungrybbq Not a bug. It's "not well described" at most
  • GoodlordbirdGoodlordbird Member Posts: 66 ★
    @Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,777 ★★★★★
    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
  • CheeseMaster482CheeseMaster482 Member Posts: 461 ★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 7,000 ★★★★★
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    That's actually one of the reasons I parry certain attacks, particularly certain special attacks (looking at you Serpent).
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,777 ★★★★★
    Arguments about parry are irrelevant here. It only refers to well timed blocks . Parry or a stun is not needed. But a well timed block alone won't suffice. It has to be a contact attack too. Basic hit or special attack
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Exactly what is expected from someone at your level. No surprises there.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Photon, serp, bullsyes and Thanos sp1. Don't even need to go any deeper into other defenders.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 7,000 ★★★★★
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,811 Guardian
    Yeah, it is probably the only annoying part of her kit, but she is still a beast regardless of that.
  • CheeseMaster482CheeseMaster482 Member Posts: 461 ★★★
    edited July 30
    willrun4adonut said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
    Amazing how my comment gets deleted but this one and the original one get to stay up. Amazing job forum guardians, truly protecting the forums 😎

    139 comment long thread with multiple people attacking each other: guardians don't care

    19 comment long thread with one sarcastic comment: yep we gotta delete that one 😜
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    edited July 30
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
    Amazing how my comment gets deleted but this one and the original one get to stay up. Amazing job forum guardians, truly protecting the forums 😎

    139 comment long thread with multiple people attacking each other: guardians don't care

    19 comment long thread with one sarcastic comment: yep we gotta delete that one 😜
    Sarcasm needs not to be false.
    Misinformation is what got it deleted, (wrong)sarcasm had nothing to do with it.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,695 Guardian
    RE: OP's question.

    Just looking at it separately from the literal specifics of Parry, Stun, or Well Timed Block descriptions.

    It does seem to make sense that she can not apply her shocks from a hit that did not make contact.

    So a projectile (especially), but even an energy attack that doesn’t make contact, would make sense that there is nothing against which to apply her shock charges to.

    Does Electro apply his “return damage” to an attack that was non-contact ? Or other champs that have some type of return damage (without looking at the specific wording of their abilities, I would in general say probably not)
  • CheeseMaster482CheeseMaster482 Member Posts: 461 ★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
    Amazing how my comment gets deleted but this one and the original one get to stay up. Amazing job forum guardians, truly protecting the forums 😎

    139 comment long thread with multiple people attacking each other: guardians don't care

    19 comment long thread with one sarcastic comment: yep we gotta delete that one 😜
    Sarcasm needs not to be false.
    Misinformation is what got it deleted, (wrong)sarcasm had nothing to do with it.
    Nothing in my original comment was "misinformation" I literally said that "unless I'm forced to block an attack" aka serpent, photon, bullseye that I don't use parry to "reduce" block damage when I can dex and intercept instead. The guardian literally deleted my comment for no reason.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,777 ★★★★★
    SummonerNR said:

    RE: OP's question.

    Just looking at it separately from the literal specifics of Parry, Stun, or Well Timed Block descriptions.

    It does seem to make sense that she can not apply her shocks from a hit that did not make contact.

    So a projectile (especially), but even an energy attack that doesn’t make contact, would make sense that there is nothing against which to apply her shock charges to.

    Does Electro apply his “return damage” to an attack that was non-contact ? Or other champs that have some type of return damage (without looking at the specific wording of their abilities, I would in general say probably not)

    That discussion is futile. All the other "damage back" effects state (exceptions, yes) whether they apply on contact (or will explicitly stated if it is only on contact).

    Nebula says that she will apply the shocks on well timed blocks. But they only apply on well timed blocks of contact hits. Whether that is a bug or a description error, we can't say
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
    Amazing how my comment gets deleted but this one and the original one get to stay up. Amazing job forum guardians, truly protecting the forums 😎

    139 comment long thread with multiple people attacking each other: guardians don't care

    19 comment long thread with one sarcastic comment: yep we gotta delete that one 😜
    Sarcasm needs not to be false.
    Misinformation is what got it deleted, (wrong)sarcasm had nothing to do with it.
    Nothing in my original comment was "misinformation" I literally said that "unless I'm forced to block an attack" aka serpent, photon, bullseye that I don't use parry to "reduce" block damage when I can dex and intercept instead. The guardian literally deleted my comment for no reason.
    Maybe your assumptions about other people with experience was wrong.

    But
    Isn't that contradictory in itself.
    You'll do it if you are forced to do it.
    So you are doing it.
    But then you are saying you'll never do it.
    But then were forced and had to do it anyway.

    Anyway, moral of the story is parry reduces block damage significantly. That's how you fight all stun immune nodes in the game.
    The most common everyday example is war boss.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,372 ★★★★★
    CheeseMaster482 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    CheeseMaster482 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Goodlordbird said:

    @ Magrailothos Not "every" champ lol...more like 10-12 champs: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/385363/champs-that-can-parry-non-contact-attack

    Every champ can parry. It just won't inflict the stun. Parry also reduces block damage
    Nobody thinks of the damage reduction when you say "parry". It's like saying all champs can get a precision from dex.
    Spoken like someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values
    Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to dex and intercept. Unless I'm literally forced to block an attack I will never parry with the intent of reducing block damage. Every time I parry, it is to stun the opponent or because there is a mechanic involving parry.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't played pre-prenerf act 6 replying to someone who has played pre-prenerf act 6 , or any content with relatively high attack values and trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
    Amazing how my comment gets deleted but this one and the original one get to stay up. Amazing job forum guardians, truly protecting the forums 😎

    139 comment long thread with multiple people attacking each other: guardians don't care

    19 comment long thread with one sarcastic comment: yep we gotta delete that one 😜
    Sarcasm needs not to be false.
    Misinformation is what got it deleted, (wrong)sarcasm had nothing to do with it.
    Nothing in my original comment was "misinformation" I literally said that "unless I'm forced to block an attack" aka serpent, photon, bullseye that I don't use parry to "reduce" block damage when I can dex and intercept instead. The guardian literally deleted my comment for no reason.
    Maybe your assumptions about other people with experience was wrong.

    But
    Isn't that contradictory in itself.
    You'll do it if you are forced to do it.
    So you are doing it.
    But then you are saying you'll never do it.
    But then were forced and had to do it anyway.

    Anyway, moral of the story is parry reduces block damage significantly. That's how you fight all stun immune nodes in the game.
    The most common everyday example is war boss.
    Ok buddy you're either trolling or trying to ragebait me. Both won't work.
    Sure buddy, only you can control how you see things around you.
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