I Kabam crashed look at this on Wednesday I was in good rhythm to get to 200 points and I was at 182 points but I encountered with this modder and I lost and it broke my rhythm and I was never able to get to 200 points even after playing 7 hours that day because I was having mind diversion after that match and I was thinking everyone modder and was choosing fast attackers than defenders And because of this for the first time I wasn't able to get my 10k raidiance since it's launched I was thinking to contact support for this issue but then I realised what will support do if I didn't even claim the objective in first go 😞 Also the last minute server issue that could have also been part of many players losing their radiance if they are near the end of 200 points Pls kabam crashed do something for this type of problems occuring time to time it just kills the fun of playing this mode
Regular players that contribute 0 views to the game acting surprised that the Youtuber with 100k subscribers and hundreds of live viewers gets priority over them. Literally every other major streamer in other games get the same privilege. It is in the developers best interest to ensure the viewers know they care about cheaters by banning them live. It's business driven "favoritism".
Imagine the optics if they didn't ban them immediately. Then you would of had a thread of "Apparently you can mod and cheat in front of Kabam employees and nothing happens to you".
i think the point is, anyone who isnt lagacy is guaranteed to lose points vs that modder and wont get them back, and especially in a season where points are so important for qualification at that high level, thats quite unfair.
Now if there was a system to automatically give people back the points theyve lost when modders get banned, there'd be no issue, but that doesnt exist, and i cant say im optimistic about them actually making that a thing.
I Kabam crashed look at this on Wednesday I was in good rhythm to get to 200 points and I was at 182 points but I encountered with this modder and I lost and it broke my rhythm and I was never able to get to 200 points even after playing 7 hours that day because I was having mind diversion after that match and I was thinking everyone modder and was choosing fast attackers than defenders And because of this for the first time I wasn't able to get my 10k raidiance since it's launched I was thinking to contact support for this issue but then I realised what will support do if I didn't even claim the objective in first go 😞 Also the last minute server issue that could have also been part of many players losing their radiance if they are near the end of 200 points Pls kabam crashed do something for this type of problems occuring time to time it just kills the fun of playing this mode
@Kabam Crashed it's the same guy who cheated against me he just changed his name but I lost points and chance to get 10k raidiance while Lagacy didn't lose any points Don't you think it's unfair to me and others who lost against this modder?
If kabam guys happen to watch your fav youtuber, beroman's livestream and encountered a cheater, He would've get banned mid match too.
It's not privilege, it's visibility. Common players can never get this visibility and it's not unfair lol.
If they say there waiting for the whole match and banned him the next day after reaching office that would've recieved even more backslash.
so people should just get a better shot at qualifying for brawl just cause theyre friends with devs who can ban instantly? isnt that the definition of privilege
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
In my perspective this is actually a much bigger issue than it is present, specially since this is during the Brawler qualification.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
If kabam guys happen to watch your fav youtuber, beroman's livestream and encountered a cheater, He would've get banned mid match too.
It's not privilege, it's visibility. Common players can never get this visibility and it's not unfair lol.
If they say there waiting for the whole match and banned him the next day after reaching office that would've recieved even more backslash.
Hi @captain_rogers , I usually agreed with a lot of what you said (and still remember your advice that help me cleared Wof Quest 2, so thank you again for that).
But in this circumstance I have to disagreed, the privilege (or I would say advantage) is not what Kabam staffs would do to the modders, the advantage is actually access to Kabam staffs, they watch your stream.
The fact is that Kabam staffs doesn't watch Bero Man or other MCOC Content creator stream if their are not in the same social circle (understandable so), so they will never spot a modder and ban them instantly.
It is like going into a street fight on your own and going to a street fight with your bodyguard, it is not what the bodyguard does, it is that you got bodyguard.
If we were going with the idea of Kabam banning modders instantly like what happened at Lagacy stream, then Kabam would need to monitor every Summoners who are competing for a place in the Brawler every matches, which of course is impossible.
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
In my perspective this is actually a much bigger issue than it is present, specially since this is during the Brawler qualification.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
So is the solution to not ban the modder for everyone until the match is over?
Also, this is a very big one off, and not a norm that occurs.
Also, if they had not banned the cheater, they would subsequently play against other 'normal' players and make them lose points too. It's a win win anyway you look at it
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
In my perspective this is actually a much bigger issue than it is present, specially since this is during the Brawler qualification.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
So is the solution to not ban the modder for everyone until the match is over?
Also, this is a very big one off, and not a norm that occurs.
Also, if they had not banned the cheater, they would subsequently play against other 'normal' players and make them lose points too. It's a win win anyway you look at it
Actually under this circumstance, yes, the what we think is the wrong action would actually lead to the right outcome.
It should be done like what @Kabam Crashed does, let the match finish, and then band the modder right after, Lagacy might still win the match, he might lost, but whatever happened he would of gonna through the exactly motion like other fellow competitors, which create a fair playing field and no one can day that certain players have advantage over the competition because who they know.
If kabam guys happen to watch your fav youtuber, beroman's livestream and encountered a cheater, He would've get banned mid match too.
It's not privilege, it's visibility. Common players can never get this visibility and it's not unfair lol.
If they say there waiting for the whole match and banned him the next day after reaching office that would've recieved even more backslash.
Hi @captain_rogers , I usually agreed with a lot of what you said (and still remember your advice that help me cleared Wof Quest 2, so thank you again for that).
But in this circumstance I have to disagreed, the privilege (or I would say advantage) is not what Kabam staffs would do to the modders, the advantage is actually access to Kabam staffs, they watch your stream.
The fact is that Kabam staffs doesn't watch Bero Man or other MCOC Content creator stream if their are not in the same social circle (understandable so), so they will never spot a modder and ban them instantly.
It is like going into a street fight on your own and going to a street fight with your bodyguard, it is not what the bodyguard does, it is that you got bodyguard.
If we were going with the idea of Kabam banning modders instantly like what happened at Lagacy stream, then Kabam would need to monitor every Summoners who are competing for a place in the Brawler every matches, which of course is impossible.
I understand your pov, but what else you expect them to do? I mean, none of them went to watch legacy stream hoping to find a modded so they can ban then immediately.
But one thing I completely agree. Regular summoners can wait, but the ones trying to qualify for battlerealm brawl, it is unfair for them to lose points to modders, so immediate action and point reimbursement from kabam side is necessary for those big dawgs.
If kabam guys happen to watch your fav youtuber, beroman's livestream and encountered a cheater, He would've get banned mid match too.
It's not privilege, it's visibility. Common players can never get this visibility and it's not unfair lol.
If they say there waiting for the whole match and banned him the next day after reaching office that would've recieved even more backslash.
Hi @captain_rogers , I usually agreed with a lot of what you said (and still remember your advice that help me cleared Wof Quest 2, so thank you again for that).
But in this circumstance I have to disagreed, the privilege (or I would say advantage) is not what Kabam staffs would do to the modders, the advantage is actually access to Kabam staffs, they watch your stream.
The fact is that Kabam staffs doesn't watch Bero Man or other MCOC Content creator stream if their are not in the same social circle (understandable so), so they will never spot a modder and ban them instantly.
It is like going into a street fight on your own and going to a street fight with your bodyguard, it is not what the bodyguard does, it is that you got bodyguard.
If we were going with the idea of Kabam banning modders instantly like what happened at Lagacy stream, then Kabam would need to monitor every Summoners who are competing for a place in the Brawler every matches, which of course is impossible.
I understand your pov, but what else you expect them to do? I mean, none of them went to watch legacy stream hoping to find a modded so they can ban then immediately.
But one thing I completely agree. Regular summoners can wait, but the ones trying to qualify for battlerealm brawl, it is unfair for them to lose points to modders, so immediate action and point reimbursement from kabam side is necessary for those big dawgs.
Oh yeah, I'm not that bother for players like me, who is crawling my way up Gamma lol.
But the thing is, other players who are competing for a place in the Brawler ARE losing points to modders.
Like I said, if Kabam can create this same environment for all of those that are completing where any modders they face get ban instantly and they doesn't lost point it would be amazing and perfect. BUt until then, Kabam shouldn't create favourable circumstantial for certain players (even if it was unintentional).
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
In my perspective this is actually a much bigger issue than it is present, specially since this is during the Brawler qualification.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
So is the solution to not ban the modder for everyone until the match is over?
Also, this is a very big one off, and not a norm that occurs.
Also, if they had not banned the cheater, they would subsequently play against other 'normal' players and make them lose points too. It's a win win anyway you look at it
Actually under this circumstance, yes, the what we think is the wrong action would actually lead to the right outcome.
It should be done like what @Kabam Crashed does, let the match finish, and then band the modder right after, Lagacy might still win the match, he might lost, but whatever happened he would of gonna through the exactly motion like other fellow competitors, which create a fair playing field and one can day that certain players have advantage over the competition because who they know.
No. I suffered so everyone should suffer is a very destructive way of thinking.
I've faced a lot of modders and not once have it thought, "Man, if Kabam ever had the opportunity to ban the opponent mid match, they shouldn't ,and just let the player suffer".
Unfair implies intent. Kabam did not design a system where normal players have to fight modders and those who stream do not. This is a one off that happened by accident. If ever you decide to stream and are intersting enough to get a Kabam employee to watch you, they would do the same for you.
It's just a convenient coincidence. Not a manufactured inequality.
And you're pretending like Lagacy has never had to lose to a modder. That's not true.
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
In my perspective this is actually a much bigger issue than it is present, specially since this is during the Brawler qualification.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
So is the solution to not ban the modder for everyone until the match is over?
Also, this is a very big one off, and not a norm that occurs.
Also, if they had not banned the cheater, they would subsequently play against other 'normal' players and make them lose points too. It's a win win anyway you look at it
Actually under this circumstance, yes, the what we think is the wrong action would actually lead to the right outcome.
It should be done like what @Kabam Crashed does, let the match finish, and then band the modder right after, Lagacy might still win the match, he might lost, but whatever happened he would of gonna through the exactly motion like other fellow competitors, which create a fair playing field and one can day that certain players have advantage over the competition because who they know.
No. I suffered so everyone should suffer is a very destructive way of thinking.
I've faced a lot of modders and not once have it thought, "Man, if Kabam ever had the opportunity to ban the opponent mid match, they shouldn't ,and just let the player suffer".
Unfair implies intent. Kabam did not design a system where normal players have to fight modders and those who stream do not. This is a one off that happened by accident. If ever you decide to stream and are intersting enough to get a Kabam employee to watch you, they would do the same for you.
It's just a convenient coincidence. Not a manufactured inequality.
And you're pretending like Lagacy has never had to lose to a modder. That's not true.
I think you might take my discussion out of contexts, and with most context make thing relevant.
I face modders before in BGs, it doesn't mean I wish everyone else face modders too, I not a "all must suffer, because I suffer too" king of guy 🤣, you are right that is very destructive.
However what I'm saying understands these 2 season where top players are competing for an extremely small amount a space in the Brawl with a high winning prices. Kabam have to be extra consistent in creating an even playing field.
I'm not sure which country you are in so not sure if you country have this policy. But where I'm, everything you applied for a job they always ask if you know anybody that can influence the decision of your getting the role.
I didn't say any of this was intentionally, but those collection of "convenient coincidence" created a circumstance where inequality competition could happen, and whoever take those action, did not take enough careful consideration of what it would lead to.
I'm sure Lagacy have faced many modders and so is many other top end players, but right now we are ending up with a circumstance that Lagacy is the ONLY player that got a modder ban before the match ended.
I like Lagacy very much, think he is a nice guy, he work hard on his account and skill to get there, I feel sorry him that other people action is is tainted his journey for the play in the Brawler.
For obvious reasons Kabam can’t watch every BG match, far too many going on at a time and only a select few actually live stream them. However, if they are watching and see an obvious modder and then ban them immediately, that’s a win for everyone. What y’all complaining about lol.
The amount of whining and entitlement is asinine in these comments. If you're so worried about it, start streaming and become interesting enough that kabam employees are watching your streams. They would do it for you then too. Lagacy happened to have a couple kabam employees watching his stream at the time, so action was taken before any damage was done. I'm willing to bet that's not the first modder he's ever run into, and I'm also willing to bet that said modders rarely, if ever got banned mid match when he has, because no employees were watching at the time.
I didn't have anything to do with this one. But from my perspective, if I know someone is cheating, I'm going to ban them as soon as I can. If it benefits someone then lucky them.
The only exception is I don't extend this courtesy to myself, since I know most of the time players don't get it. So if someone mods against me in Battlegrounds, I wait until I take the L and then I ban them. I also wonder wtf they were thinking since I have the Kabam banner on my profile picture now but I guess that's another story.
Happy how does it feel to loss the point to then. And knowing you won’t get them back when there get ban
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The problem is it is clear favoritism. Bero man lost a match two months ago where his opponent got banned during the match. Why did he get a loss and lost like 30 points because his opponent was at 0 but Lagacy got a forfeit and won 2 points? Not to mention the 20-30 players this cheater beat to get to the 400 some odd points the player had at the start of the match. Great that this cheater got banned but the fact a CCP member was saved due to this timely ban where everyone else just gets the loss is not ok.
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The only argument that is relevant is the fact that Kabam employees just happened to be watching when it happened. If they were watching you face a modder, they'd ban the modder just as quickly.
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
How is it preferential? Have they ever not done this for anyone they were watching a livestream of? What are you even comparing it to?
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The only argument that is relevant is the fact that Kabam employees just happened to be watching when it happened. If they were watching you face a modder, they'd ban the modder just as quickly.
What you said is just further exemplifying my final point so I’m not sure what your stance is. Because if you don’t find any issue with what was done, your commentary isn’t actually as favourable to your stance as you may believe it to be.
No-one is saying that it’s bad that the modder got banned. No-one is even saying that they don’t understand why Lagacy got preferential treatment. The question and discussion revolves around - should - Lagacy and other streamers get the preferential treatment.
Everyone who isn’t a popular streamer / part of the CCP has to go through the same experience. Yes, there are outlets for community members to reach out to Kabam and resolve the issue. Reports, Tickets, Discord Servers, friendships with CCP members, etc…. But still there’s a similar process and we would all take the loss, lose points and wait.
What happened in Lagacy’s stream was a deviation from that process and people are merely expressing that it’s not really fair. Sure, life isn’t fair - but then if we’re acknowledging that let’s not also pretend this wasn’t nepotism at work.
As I stated above, it soured me a bit. But it’s not going to completely ruin my day. Nepotism is a thing, this was a pretty clear example. I just can’t fathom the people who are actually trying to argue or support it by suggesting that this wasn’t exactly what it was.
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The only argument that is relevant is the fact that Kabam employees just happened to be watching when it happened. If they were watching you face a modder, they'd ban the modder just as quickly.
What you said is just further exemplifying my final point so I’m not sure what your stance is. Because if you don’t find any issue with what was done, your commentary isn’t actually as favourable to your stance as you may believe it to be.
No-one is saying that it’s bad that the modder got banned. No-one is even saying that they don’t understand why Lagacy got preferential treatment. The question and discussion revolves around - should - Lagacy and other streamers get the preferential treatment.
Everyone who isn’t a popular streamer / part of the CCP has to go through the same experience. Yes, there are outlets for community members to reach out to Kabam and resolve the issue. Reports, Tickets, Discord Servers, friendships with CCP members, etc…. But still there’s a similar process and we would all take the loss, lose points and wait.
What happened in Lagacy’s stream was a deviation from that process and people are merely expressing that it’s not really fair. Sure, life isn’t fair - but then if we’re acknowledging that let’s not also pretend this wasn’t nepotism at work.
As I stated above, it soured me a bit. But it’s not going to completely ruin my day. Nepotism is a thing, this was a pretty clear example. I just can’t fathom the people who are actually trying to argue or support it by suggesting that this wasn’t exactly what it was.
This wasn't nepotism. They didn't ban the modder because they like Lagacy. They banned the modder because they very clearly saw it was a modder. When you lose a match in battlegrounds against a modder, you don't have Kabam employees watching it happen. Thus, they can't immediately ban the modder.
It would have been odd if Kabam saw a modder live and then waited to ban them. They did the right thing. Its the same if police are present when a crime is happening, they will step in. However, if a crime happened and then you go to the police with a report of it, it will take time for justice to occur.
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The only argument that is relevant is the fact that Kabam employees just happened to be watching when it happened. If they were watching you face a modder, they'd ban the modder just as quickly.
What you said is just further exemplifying my final point so I’m not sure what your stance is. Because if you don’t find any issue with what was done, your commentary isn’t actually as favourable to your stance as you may believe it to be.
No-one is saying that it’s bad that the modder got banned. No-one is even saying that they don’t understand why Lagacy got preferential treatment. The question and discussion revolves around - should - Lagacy and other streamers get the preferential treatment.
Everyone who isn’t a popular streamer / part of the CCP has to go through the same experience. Yes, there are outlets for community members to reach out to Kabam and resolve the issue. Reports, Tickets, Discord Servers, friendships with CCP members, etc…. But still there’s a similar process and we would all take the loss, lose points and wait.
What happened in Lagacy’s stream was a deviation from that process and people are merely expressing that it’s not really fair. Sure, life isn’t fair - but then if we’re acknowledging that let’s not also pretend this wasn’t nepotism at work.
As I stated above, it soured me a bit. But it’s not going to completely ruin my day. Nepotism is a thing, this was a pretty clear example. I just can’t fathom the people who are actually trying to argue or support it by suggesting that this wasn’t exactly what it was.
It would have been odd if Kabam saw a modder live and then waited to ban them. They did the right thing. Its the same if police are present when a crime is happening, they will step in. However, if a crime happened and then you go to the police with a report of it, it will take time for justice to occur.
Case 1: I was walking alone in the darkness of night at a suspicious location, I got mugged. I had to go to the police later to file a report. Whaaa whhaaa
Case 2: The guy I hate (Lagacy) was walking at the same suspecios location in broad daylight with his buddy in the police, he was about to get robbed, but the police buddy came in and helped stop it. Whaaa whaaaa, unfair nepotism whaa whaa.
Honestly, when I heard about this it soured me a little.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
The only argument that is relevant is the fact that Kabam employees just happened to be watching when it happened. If they were watching you face a modder, they'd ban the modder just as quickly.
What you said is just further exemplifying my final point so I’m not sure what your stance is. Because if you don’t find any issue with what was done, your commentary isn’t actually as favourable to your stance as you may believe it to be.
No-one is saying that it’s bad that the modder got banned. No-one is even saying that they don’t understand why Lagacy got preferential treatment. The question and discussion revolves around - should - Lagacy and other streamers get the preferential treatment.
Everyone who isn’t a popular streamer / part of the CCP has to go through the same experience. Yes, there are outlets for community members to reach out to Kabam and resolve the issue. Reports, Tickets, Discord Servers, friendships with CCP members, etc…. But still there’s a similar process and we would all take the loss, lose points and wait.
What happened in Lagacy’s stream was a deviation from that process and people are merely expressing that it’s not really fair. Sure, life isn’t fair - but then if we’re acknowledging that let’s not also pretend this wasn’t nepotism at work.
As I stated above, it soured me a bit. But it’s not going to completely ruin my day. Nepotism is a thing, this was a pretty clear example. I just can’t fathom the people who are actually trying to argue or support it by suggesting that this wasn’t exactly what it was.
It would have been odd if Kabam saw a modder live and then waited to ban them. They did the right thing. Its the same if police are present when a crime is happening, they will step in. However, if a crime happened and then you go to the police with a report of it, it will take time for justice to occur.
Case 1: I was walking alone in the darkness of night at a suspicious location, I got mugged. I had to go to the police later to file a report. Whaaa whhaaa
Case 2: The guy I hate (Lagacy) was walking at the same suspecios location in broad daylight with his buddy in the police, he was about to get robbed, but the police buddy came in and helped stop it. Whaaa whaaaa, unfair nepotism whaa whaa.
Is that it?
That's exactly what it is. If you have a force (kabam) who's goal is to ban modders and minimize damage, then of course when they see a modder modding live, they are going to ban said modder and minimize damage.
If you have a force (the police) who's goal is to stop crime and minimize damage, then of course when they see crime happening live, they are going to arrest said criminal and minimize damage.
If you expect the force to not execute their goals in favor of equality, then you are being naive. Just because someone gets robbed when no police are around doesn't mean that when police are around, that they should let it happen because "fair is fair" or something.
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Kabam crashed look at this on Wednesday I was in good rhythm to get to 200 points and I was at 182 points but I encountered with this modder and I lost and it broke my rhythm and I was never able to get to 200 points even after playing 7 hours that day because I was having mind diversion after that match and I was thinking everyone modder and was choosing fast attackers than defenders
And because of this for the first time I wasn't able to get my 10k raidiance since it's launched I was thinking to contact support for this issue but then I realised what will support do if I didn't even claim the objective in first go 😞
Also the last minute server issue that could have also been part of many players losing their radiance if they are near the end of 200 points
Pls kabam crashed do something for this type of problems occuring time to time it just kills the fun of playing this mode
When someone Kabam cares about might lose points to a cheater:
Now if there was a system to automatically give people back the points theyve lost when modders get banned, there'd be no issue, but that doesnt exist, and i cant say im optimistic about them actually making that a thing.
Don't you think it's unfair to me and others who lost against this modder?
It's not privilege, it's visibility. Common players can never get this visibility and it's not unfair lol.
If they say there waiting for the whole match and banned him the next day after reaching office that would've recieved even more backslash.
Here are some points to consider -
In a Perfect Setting - All BG modder get ban instantly and the opponent get their winning point.
In Reality Setting:- BG modder win the match, opponents lost their point, BG modder get ban when a ban wave get done, but opponent still lost point.
Now of course we all want BG modders to be ban instantly and we are players doesn't get affected by their action, however in realise we all lost points and ranking to modders.
Let me be clear, this have nothing to do with Lagacy himself, it is more about the circumstances that create an unfair advantage against other fellow Summoners that are competitive for a place in the Brawler.
Circumstance 1:- Lagacy playing BG, his friends are watching (Fintech and Mike who are Kabam employees), they spotted a modder and banned them instantly, which mean Lagacy did not lost the match and point, and also gain point and ranking. Lagacy did nothing wrong, and in a perfect setting this is what we all would like to be in.
Circumstance 2:- Any other Summoners (who may not be in the social circle with Kabam staffs) and have no one from Kabam watching them play, who also competing for a place in the Brawler, match up again a modder, they lost the match, lost point, lost ranking, The modder got pick up in a week time and got ban, but the player have already lost their points and ranking.
We can clearly see it is an unfair playing field.
Like you have said @Kabam Crashed , when you play against a modder, even those you have the power to band them instantly, you choice not to, which I highly repeat. While what happen here, I believe everyone had the right (and ethical) reason for their action, under the current circumstances and had created an unethical situation, and I think would need to be review.
But in this circumstance I have to disagreed, the privilege (or I would say advantage) is not what Kabam staffs would do to the modders, the advantage is actually access to Kabam staffs, they watch your stream.
The fact is that Kabam staffs doesn't watch Bero Man or other MCOC Content creator stream if their are not in the same social circle (understandable so), so they will never spot a modder and ban them instantly.
It is like going into a street fight on your own and going to a street fight with your bodyguard, it is not what the bodyguard does, it is that you got bodyguard.
If we were going with the idea of Kabam banning modders instantly like what happened at Lagacy stream, then Kabam would need to monitor every Summoners who are competing for a place in the Brawler every matches, which of course is impossible.
Also, this is a very big one off, and not a norm that occurs.
Also, if they had not banned the cheater, they would subsequently play against other 'normal' players and make them lose points too. It's a win win anyway you look at it
Actually under this circumstance, yes, the what we think is the wrong action would actually lead to the right outcome.
It should be done like what @Kabam Crashed does, let the match finish, and then band the modder right after, Lagacy might still win the match, he might lost, but whatever happened he would of gonna through the exactly motion like other fellow competitors, which create a fair playing field and no one can day that certain players have advantage over the competition because who they know.
But one thing I completely agree. Regular summoners can wait, but the ones trying to qualify for battlerealm brawl, it is unfair for them to lose points to modders, so immediate action and point reimbursement from kabam side is necessary for those big dawgs.
Oh yeah, I'm not that bother for players like me, who is crawling my way up Gamma lol.
But the thing is, other players who are competing for a place in the Brawler ARE losing points to modders.
Like I said, if Kabam can create this same environment for all of those that are completing where any modders they face get ban instantly and they doesn't lost point it would be amazing and perfect. BUt until then, Kabam shouldn't create favourable circumstantial for certain players (even if it was unintentional).
I've faced a lot of modders and not once have it thought, "Man, if Kabam ever had the opportunity to ban the opponent mid match, they shouldn't ,and just let the player suffer".
Unfair implies intent. Kabam did not design a system where normal players have to fight modders and those who stream do not. This is a one off that happened by accident. If ever you decide to stream and are intersting enough to get a Kabam employee to watch you, they would do the same for you.
It's just a convenient coincidence. Not a manufactured inequality.
And you're pretending like Lagacy has never had to lose to a modder. That's not true.
I think you might take my discussion out of contexts, and with most context make thing relevant.
I face modders before in BGs, it doesn't mean I wish everyone else face modders too, I not a "all must suffer, because I suffer too" king of guy 🤣, you are right that is very destructive.
However what I'm saying understands these 2 season where top players are competing for an extremely small amount a space in the Brawl with a high winning prices. Kabam have to be extra consistent in creating an even playing field.
I'm not sure which country you are in so not sure if you country have this policy. But where I'm, everything you applied for a job they always ask if you know anybody that can influence the decision of your getting the role.
I didn't say any of this was intentionally, but those collection of "convenient coincidence" created a circumstance where inequality competition could happen, and whoever take those action, did not take enough careful consideration of what it would lead to.
I'm sure Lagacy have faced many modders and so is many other top end players, but right now we are ending up with a circumstance that Lagacy is the ONLY player that got a modder ban before the match ended.
I like Lagacy very much, think he is a nice guy, he work hard on his account and skill to get there, I feel sorry him that other people action is is tainted his journey for the play in the Brawler.
If you're so worried about it, start streaming and become interesting enough that kabam employees are watching your streams.
They would do it for you then too.
Lagacy happened to have a couple kabam employees watching his stream at the time, so action was taken before any damage was done.
I'm willing to bet that's not the first modder he's ever run into, and I'm also willing to bet that said modders rarely, if ever got banned mid match when he has, because no employees were watching at the time.
Jesus, get off your high horses people.
I love that the cheater got banned. I am 100% behind this and it should be a permanent-ban. That part is great.
Now, I understand Lagacy only gained +2 points from the match. I also completely understand that he’s competing for brawl.
But none of that is actually relevant.
Lagacy got preferential treatment. There’s really no other way around this.
Everyone else in this situation would have to take the L, lose points and submit a ticket/report the modder. MAYBE get their points back with a correction, probably get tilted and continue playing.
Lagacy got saved in round three of the match. Collected a win instead of a loss and continued on.
May seem minor, but that’s still preferential treatment. Do the rest of us get Kabam employees notified mid-match when we face a modder and have them save us? No, we take the loss, report and hope we get a correction - as for the “Lagacy is competing for placement” commentary. Okay, is he the only one? Or is the commentary just saying that streamers are the ones who matter?
(Note: the final remark is not suggesting I am competing, it’s merely showing why the “Lagacy is competing” argument is flawed)
No-one is saying that it’s bad that the modder got banned. No-one is even saying that they don’t understand why Lagacy got preferential treatment. The question and discussion revolves around - should - Lagacy and other streamers get the preferential treatment.
Everyone who isn’t a popular streamer / part of the CCP has to go through the same experience. Yes, there are outlets for community members to reach out to Kabam and resolve the issue. Reports, Tickets, Discord Servers, friendships with CCP members, etc…. But still there’s a similar process and we would all take the loss, lose points and wait.
What happened in Lagacy’s stream was a deviation from that process and people are merely expressing that it’s not really fair. Sure, life isn’t fair - but then if we’re acknowledging that let’s not also pretend this wasn’t nepotism at work.
As I stated above, it soured me a bit. But it’s not going to completely ruin my day. Nepotism is a thing, this was a pretty clear example. I just can’t fathom the people who are actually trying to argue or support it by suggesting that this wasn’t exactly what it was.
Stop comparing yourslef to lagacy aka the real competitors. He happens to be an OG CC and with that comes preferences.
I dont see any gripes from the real competitors.
Not you, not me, THEM. The real brawl candidates.
I'm willing to bet, nobody will call out this mathch if lagacy qualifies. This single match does not define worthiness.
The qualifying players will play till the end. There's 5 more days. This one advantage won't impact the final standings.
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Modders ruins the game. They should get banned as early as possible. That should be the end of it.
It would have been odd if Kabam saw a modder live and then waited to ban them. They did the right thing. Its the same if police are present when a crime is happening, they will step in. However, if a crime happened and then you go to the police with a report of it, it will take time for justice to occur.
Case 2: The guy I hate (Lagacy) was walking at the same suspecios location in broad daylight with his buddy in the police, he was about to get robbed, but the police buddy came in and helped stop it.
Whaaa whaaaa, unfair nepotism whaa whaa.
Is that it?
If you have a force (the police) who's goal is to stop crime and minimize damage, then of course when they see crime happening live, they are going to arrest said criminal and minimize damage.
If you expect the force to not execute their goals in favor of equality, then you are being naive. Just because someone gets robbed when no police are around doesn't mean that when police are around, that they should let it happen because "fair is fair" or something.