After some thought and reading some opinions on the situation I came down to a conclusion. No matter how much good intentions are put, the game is highly exploitable by people with the wrong intentions. This is not about a cheater being banned, its the fact that people have been able to skew results for their own benefit for far too long in everything that involves "ranking" or "competition" with anonymous burner accounts. Sure this is a single situation that is highlighted because it is qualifying event for the brawl; but this has been happening in the background for far too long in the background. Starting from the time alliance wars were introduced with shell alliances, resource dump burner accounts when AQ had a cost, up to now with BGs. This is not about Lagacy, or being buddies with anybody. Its about the 20, 30, 40 other people that got affected by a burner account trolling.
After some thought and reading some opinions on the situation I came down to a conclusion. No matter how much good intentions are put, the game is highly exploitable by people with the wrong intentions. This is not about a cheater being banned, its the fact that people have been able to skew results for their own benefit for far too long in everything that involves "ranking" or "competition" with anonymous burner accounts. Sure this is a single situation that is highlighted because it is qualifying event for the brawl; but this has been happening in the background for far too long in the background. Starting from the time alliance wars were introduced with shell alliances, resource dump burner accounts when AQ had a cost, up to now with BGs. This is not about Lagacy, or being buddies with anybody. Its about the 20, 30, 40 other people that got affected by a burner account trolling.
Which is definitely unfortunate and no one has control over it. It can only be countered, the cheater will always find new ways to game the system. Regular players has to blame the cheaters in these situations, not the people who are trying to stop them.
Man, I really despise cheaters. Been gaming all my life. Cannot trust a guy irl who has to cheat the system for cool points.
After some thought and reading some opinions on the situation I came down to a conclusion. No matter how much good intentions are put, the game is highly exploitable by people with the wrong intentions. This is not about a cheater being banned, its the fact that people have been able to skew results for their own benefit for far too long in everything that involves "ranking" or "competition" with anonymous burner accounts. Sure this is a single situation that is highlighted because it is qualifying event for the brawl; but this has been happening in the background for far too long in the background. Starting from the time alliance wars were introduced with shell alliances, resource dump burner accounts when AQ had a cost, up to now with BGs. This is not about Lagacy, or being buddies with anybody. Its about the 20, 30, 40 other people that got affected by a burner account trolling.
Which is definitely unfortunate and no one has control over it. It can only be countered, the cheater will always find new ways to game the system. Regular players has to blame the cheaters in these situations, not the people who are trying to stop them.
Man, I really despise cheaters. Been gaming all my life. Cannot trust a guy irl who has to cheat the system for cool points.
Doesn't affect me to be honest, I am not at the top and have no interest to be there. If I am cheated I consider myself collateral damage say "oh well elder marks or energy lost womp womp". Just gotta admit and assume that this game has always been highly vulnerable to being exploited.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
After some thought and reading some opinions on the situation I came down to a conclusion. No matter how much good intentions are put, the game is highly exploitable by people with the wrong intentions. This is not about a cheater being banned, its the fact that people have been able to skew results for their own benefit for far too long in everything that involves "ranking" or "competition" with anonymous burner accounts. Sure this is a single situation that is highlighted because it is qualifying event for the brawl; but this has been happening in the background for far too long in the background. Starting from the time alliance wars were introduced with shell alliances, resource dump burner accounts when AQ had a cost, up to now with BGs. This is not about Lagacy, or being buddies with anybody. Its about the 20, 30, 40 other people that got affected by a burner account trolling.
Which is definitely unfortunate and no one has control over it. It can only be countered, the cheater will always find new ways to game the system. Regular players has to blame the cheaters in these situations, not the people who are trying to stop them.
Man, I really despise cheaters. Been gaming all my life. Cannot trust a guy irl who has to cheat the system for cool points.
Doesn't affect me to be honest, I am not at the top and have no interest to be there. If I am cheated I consider myself collateral damage say "oh well elder marks or energy lost womp womp". Just gotta admit and assume that this game has always been highly vulnerable to being exploited.
It's a 'lil' annoying, then I send ss in line. Every competetive game has cheaters. Can't control em.
There's no fun in cheating👀 Something satisfying in masochistic tendencies while suffering 👀
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
Karatemike and Lags are also in the same alliance. Does karatemkike watch streams from other players who aren't in his alliance and save them from losing points to cheaters? Or does he only help out players who are his friends and in his alliance? Can karatemike give everyone his phone number so we can call him when we're facing cheaters and he can see it and save us too?
Kabam banning a cheater immediately and preventing other players losing points when facing them is a good thing surely?
I can’t imagine Kabam get to see many instances of actual live cheating happening in BG’s, so I can understand that they went outside their BAU ban process.
OP has an irrational hatred of Lag’s though so there’s definitely some bias going on here on their part..
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
The goal should be to figure out how on earth that guy managed to get where he was undetected by the "anti cheat" system. Not shooting first and investigating after. Because obviously he didn't just cheat that match. The harm was already done to 20 or 30 people before Lagacy, to other game modes where he acquired items. What's a few more cheated matches gonna do anyway? "Collecting more data" to figure out how the mod is going undetected by the "anti cheat technology" seems like a smarter route.
It’s not what you know it’s who you know when it comes to this company, I still think it’s all kabam workers friends are the ones that got false banned for a couple days and walked away with all those rewards including 4,000 units and 30k radiance.
Wouldn’t surprise me their best buddies get advantages and preferential, bordering on lover-like treatment in the Battlegrounds, also.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
The goal should be to figure out how on earth that guy managed to get where he was undetected by the "anti cheat" system. Not shooting first and investigating after. Because obviously he didn't just cheat that match. The harm was already done to 20 or 30 people before Lagacy, to other game modes where he acquired items. What's a few more cheated matches gonna do anyway? "Collecting more data" to figure out how the mod is going undetected by the "anti cheat technology" seems like a smarter route.
I don't think banning a player prevents Kabam from investigating how the player did what they did. They still have the past matches, why would they need future ones at the expense of the playerbase? Judging by Crashed's comment that he bans modders after he faces them, I don't think the time at which they were banned is a factor in helping Kabam get to the bottom of anything. And if it can prevent more damage, then its clearly the better option.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
People are acting like they face modders 24/7. Anybody mad about what happened with Lagacy literally doesn't know what they are talking about or only play mobile games. If your wallet is big enough, one loss to a cheater will have zero impact on your BGs rank.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
The goal should be to figure out how on earth that guy managed to get where he was undetected by the "anti cheat" system. Not shooting first and investigating after. Because obviously he didn't just cheat that match. The harm was already done to 20 or 30 people before Lagacy, to other game modes where he acquired items. What's a few more cheated matches gonna do anyway? "Collecting more data" to figure out how the mod is going undetected by the "anti cheat technology" seems like a smarter route.
I don't think banning a player prevents Kabam from investigating how the player did what they did. They still have the past matches, why would they need future ones at the expense of the playerbase? Judging by Crashed's comment that he bans modders after he faces them, I don't think the time at which they were banned is a factor in helping Kabam get to the bottom of anything. And if it can prevent more damage, then its clearly the better option.
The damage was already done, during his whole climb of VT, and up to 400ish points in GC, probably in AW as well.. most likely have more than 10 people reporting him before this, it took a coincidental pop in a CCP livestream to get banned. I think that's a bigger problem than saving a few peoole in the upper part of GC.
It's cool that Lagacy didn't get screwed over by this lowlife cheater. But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater? It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy. They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Yeah I mean, I'm happy that Lags got saved and the cheater got banned. But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes. And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time." What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels. So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
This isn't a case of the police being called and arriving quicker to the folks they favor. This is a case of the police being present when the crime is happening and doing their jobs. Completely different scenario.
I dunno where you guys are from but a police officer in plain clothes gotta identify himself and also have jurisdiction in the place of the crime... Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services... I guess this is just another story ...
Not really sure I understand your point.
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I respectfully disagree. I think the goal should be minimizing harm. All of those steps would be pointless since a Kabam employee knew the person was modding with certainty. Do you also think that if a Kabam employee faced a modder, that after the match instead of banning the modder to minimize any more harm they could cause, that they should instead report them and let the modder continue to cause harm until they do get banned through the "proper channels?"
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
The goal should be to figure out how on earth that guy managed to get where he was undetected by the "anti cheat" system. Not shooting first and investigating after. Because obviously he didn't just cheat that match. The harm was already done to 20 or 30 people before Lagacy, to other game modes where he acquired items. What's a few more cheated matches gonna do anyway? "Collecting more data" to figure out how the mod is going undetected by the "anti cheat technology" seems like a smarter route.
I don't think banning a player prevents Kabam from investigating how the player did what they did. They still have the past matches, why would they need future ones at the expense of the playerbase? Judging by Crashed's comment that he bans modders after he faces them, I don't think the time at which they were banned is a factor in helping Kabam get to the bottom of anything. And if it can prevent more damage, then its clearly the better option.
The damage was already done, during his whole climb of VT, and up to 400ish points in GC, probably in AW as well.. most likely have more than 10 people reporting him before this, it took a coincidental pop in a CCP livestream to get banned. I think that's a bigger problem than saving a few people in the upper part of GC.
Bigger problem or not its good they stopped him when they did. Right?? What you were saying before is that they should have taken longer to ban him to make things more "fair."
I'm not sure how Kabam's ban system works. I know they ban a lot of people before they send out rewards. We don't know how long that guy was modding, he could have began climbing in BGs that same day.
Either way the crux of this thread is whether or not Lagacy got special treatment, and whether or not the ban should have happened when it did. We can assume that Kabam wants to ban the modders. So we can assume that before this stream, they did not know that guy was modding. The expectation is that they ban a modder as soon as they know that they're modding. Yes, harm will happen before that. We want to live in a world where its impossible to cheat in video games. However, that is not the case. Kabam can not prevent the damage entirely. Yet they can minimize it like I previously mentioned, and like they did.
Also I typed this up before I saw your most recent reply.
As other have said .. its not a problem that Lagacy got a beneficial ban before his match finished which prevented point loss. Its that we would all like to not lose points to modders. Its not feasible to live ban across the board but maybe a way to refund points to "victims" when modders are banned. One player aiming for the brawl gets this treatment but would it not then be unfair for other contenders who loses to modders but still lose points? does this not distort the competitive landscape of who qualifies? What if Lagacy qualifies on 8th place with 1 or 2 points the difference to 9th.. that could happen.
The modders at the top gets banned much faster than the rest of our peasant tiers. Except for that one season when a modder was sitting on c1 for 2-3 days lol.
They have closed groups with members from kabam present. Actions are taken rather swiftly when a modder enters those realms. So, this is not a uniqe favoritism, this preference is given to all top guys and they earned that by reaching those ranks. The only modders who survive the bans are the ones who have been modding for few hours, new ones.
You guys are ignorant to the fact that top ~20-30 celestial players constantly are communicating with each other about who is playing, who is streaming, who is queuing and much much more.
Anybody who is saying that a modder needs to be banned swiftly, I suggest you to join those groups, the top cream of the competitive mode. You can't enter those as you are not in those ranks, as simple as that. ....
This post was made in bad faith. A rather selfish take on the issue. I too absolutley do not care about lagacy, but that's a personal opinion. He is just a player like us outside that opinion.
In this particular case, lagacy was streaming and he cried for help from kabam people (yes I went and watched the 5 minute of the stream), and luckily they were there. If this perosn was another celestial player, they were watching, the actions would have been the same. I don't know who has the power to ban these guys. Fintech is new, so I'll assume he can only report. Mike is not a technical dev(kinda), but he have more reach in the office. Nah is an actual Dev, I'll assume he can ban players by himself. No, I don't know how they work. .... I won't reply to popcorn, as this is not the right thread to talk about how and why these modders are allowed to roam freely. I get what you are saying... but this thread is not the one to discuss that. ....
All in all, things are different for top players. We peasants are not part of it. Thats how the world works. Make peace with it.
The modders at the top gets banned much faster than the rest of our peasant tiers. Except for that one season when a modder was sitting on c1 for 2-3 days lol.
They have closed groups with members from kabam present. Actions are taken rather swiftly when a modder enters those realms. So, this is not a uniqe favoritism, this preference is given to all top guys and they earned that by reaching those ranks. The only modders who survive the bans are the ones who have been modding for few hours, new ones.
You guys are ignorant to the fact that top ~20-30 celestial players constantly are communicating with each other about who is playing, who is streaming, who is queuing and much much more.
Anybody who is saying that a modder needs to be banned swiftly, I suggest you to join those groups, the top cream of the competitive mode. You can't enter those as you are not in those ranks, as simple as that. ....
This post was made in bad faith. A rather selfish take on the issue. I too absolutley do not care about lagacy, but that's a personal opinion. He is just a player like us outside that opinion.
In this particular case, lagacy was streaming and he cried for help from kabam people (yes I went and watched the 5 minute of the stream), and luckily they were there. If this perosn was another celestial player, they were watching, the actions would have been the same. I don't know who has the power to ban these guys. Fintech is new, so I'll assume he can only report. Mike is not a technical dev(kinda), but he have more reach in the office. Nah is an actual Dev, I'll assume he can ban players by himself. No, I don't know how they work. .... I won't reply to popcorn, as this is not the right thread to talk about how and why these modders are allowed to roam freely. I get what you are saying... but this thread is not the one to discuss that. ....
All in all, things are different for top players. We peasants are not part of it. Thats how the world works. Make peace with it.
Fair, and I do agree maybe this is not the right post to discuss other things, specially since OP actually has a personal vendetta with Lagacy based on other posts. IE, the J4 sales predictions.
I would never reach or want to play at these “top levels”.
Y’all are cutthroat.
But do they not adjust points based on banned players at the end of events like this? No idea how it works.
I guess that would be hard in this case as that specific modder probably stole a lot of points and possibly ranks along the way skewing the points for everyone except one player.
It is a pretty slippery slope and definitely not cut and dry.
I would never reach or want to play at these “top levels”.
Y’all are cutthroat.
But do they not adjust points based on banned players at the end of events like this? No idea how it works.
I guess that would be hard in this case as that specific modder probably stole a lot of points and possibly ranks along the way skewing the points for everyone except one player.
It is a pretty slippery slope and definitely not cut and dry.
No they don't. They take away from the cheater but the cheated is left empty handed. I believe AW is the same way, they dock points from the "cheating" alliance; but they don't give the points for winning to the cheated alliance.
I would never reach or want to play at these “top levels”.
Y’all are cutthroat.
But do they not adjust points based on banned players at the end of events like this? No idea how it works.
I guess that would be hard in this case as that specific modder probably stole a lot of points and possibly ranks along the way skewing the points for everyone except one player.
It is a pretty slippery slope and definitely not cut and dry.
No they don't. They take away from the cheater but the cheated is left empty handed. I believe AW is the same way, they dock points from the "cheating" alliance; but they don't give the points for winning to the cheated alliance.
Then it definitely seems a favouritism thing and breaks the competitive nature of the game mode.
I would never reach or want to play at these “top levels”.
Y’all are cutthroat.
But do they not adjust points based on banned players at the end of events like this? No idea how it works.
I guess that would be hard in this case as that specific modder probably stole a lot of points and possibly ranks along the way skewing the points for everyone except one player.
It is a pretty slippery slope and definitely not cut and dry.
No they don't. They take away from the cheater but the cheated is left empty handed. I believe AW is the same way, they dock points from the "cheating" alliance; but they don't give the points for winning to the cheated alliance.
Then it definitely seems a favouritism thing and breaks the competitive nature of the game mode.
Get to the top by being among the best...you'll be kabams number 1 favorite person and you can rise above the hate you get in forums. Fr
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No matter how much good intentions are put, the game is highly exploitable by people with the wrong intentions. This is not about a cheater being banned, its the fact that people have been able to skew results for their own benefit for far too long in everything that involves "ranking" or "competition" with anonymous burner accounts. Sure this is a single situation that is highlighted because it is qualifying event for the brawl; but this has been happening in the background for far too long in the background. Starting from the time alliance wars were introduced with shell alliances, resource dump burner accounts when AQ had a cost, up to now with BGs.
This is not about Lagacy, or being buddies with anybody. Its about the 20, 30, 40 other people that got affected by a burner account trolling.
Regular players has to blame the cheaters in these situations, not the people who are trying to stop them.
Man, I really despise cheaters. Been gaming all my life. Cannot trust a guy irl who has to cheat the system for cool points.
But why can't Kabam now go back and delete the lost points for everyone else who got screwed over by this cheater?
It literally took these Kabam bros 30 seconds to move the wheels of justice for Lagacy.
They must've been parkouring across the office trying to help their broski.
Every competetive game has cheaters. Can't control em.
There's no fun in cheating👀
Something satisfying in masochistic tendencies while suffering 👀
But why does that mean we also have to be happy with a clearcut case of selective enforcement?
I've seen this on nextdoor/facebook when I used to still go on those sites.
The police would respond immediately to a robbery at a rich person's house, and other people would say, why do they never respond like that when we call about intruders in our homes.
And then some frequent commenters would always say stuff like: "Shut up and just be glad the police caught the robbers this time."
What's even crazier is that these frequent commenters weren't even affiliated with the police department in any way, and the police itself would never try to defend its actions like that.
At the end of the day, the facts here speak for themselves, and I'm seeing this being talked about in various other channels.
So everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no need for me or anyone else to keep posting the same opinions again and again, so I'm out on this one.
Does karatemkike watch streams from other players who aren't in his alliance and save them from losing points to cheaters?
Or does he only help out players who are his friends and in his alliance?
Can karatemike give everyone his phone number so we can call him when we're facing cheaters and he can see it and save us too?
I can’t imagine Kabam get to see many instances of actual live cheating happening in BG’s, so I can understand that they went outside their BAU ban process.
OP has an irrational hatred of Lag’s though so there’s definitely some bias going on here on their part..
Anyway we are talking about a game where cheaters went as far as shipping devices for merc services...
I guess this is just another story ...
The course of the ban should have taken the natural course that everyone goes thru, report, investigate, ban. That's just my opinion though.
I think the thing a lot of you don't realize is that banning that modder right then and there didn't just help Lagacy, but all the future people that modder would have faced until they got banned from a report.
The harm was already done to 20 or 30 people before Lagacy, to other game modes where he acquired items. What's a few more cheated matches gonna do anyway? "Collecting more data" to figure out how the mod is going undetected by the "anti cheat technology" seems like a smarter route.
Wouldn’t surprise me their best buddies get advantages and preferential, bordering on lover-like treatment in the Battlegrounds, also.
I'm not sure how Kabam's ban system works. I know they ban a lot of people before they send out rewards. We don't know how long that guy was modding, he could have began climbing in BGs that same day.
Either way the crux of this thread is whether or not Lagacy got special treatment, and whether or not the ban should have happened when it did. We can assume that Kabam wants to ban the modders. So we can assume that before this stream, they did not know that guy was modding. The expectation is that they ban a modder as soon as they know that they're modding. Yes, harm will happen before that. We want to live in a world where its impossible to cheat in video games. However, that is not the case. Kabam can not prevent the damage entirely. Yet they can minimize it like I previously mentioned, and like they did.
Also I typed this up before I saw your most recent reply.
The modders at the top gets banned much faster than the rest of our peasant tiers.
Except for that one season when a modder was sitting on c1 for 2-3 days lol.
They have closed groups with members from kabam present. Actions are taken rather swiftly when a modder enters those realms.
So, this is not a uniqe favoritism, this preference is given to all top guys and they earned that by reaching those ranks.
The only modders who survive the bans are the ones who have been modding for few hours, new ones.
You guys are ignorant to the fact that top ~20-30 celestial players constantly are communicating with each other about who is playing, who is streaming, who is queuing and much much more.
Anybody who is saying that a modder needs to be banned swiftly, I suggest you to join those groups, the top cream of the competitive mode.
You can't enter those as you are not in those ranks, as simple as that.
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This post was made in bad faith. A rather selfish take on the issue.
I too absolutley do not care about lagacy, but that's a personal opinion. He is just a player like us outside that opinion.
In this particular case, lagacy was streaming and he cried for help from kabam people (yes I went and watched the 5 minute of the stream), and luckily they were there. If this perosn was another celestial player, they were watching, the actions would have been the same.
I don't know who has the power to ban these guys.
Fintech is new, so I'll assume he can only report.
Mike is not a technical dev(kinda), but he have more reach in the office.
Nah is an actual Dev, I'll assume he can ban players by himself. No, I don't know how they work.
....
I won't reply to popcorn, as this is not the right thread to talk about how and why these modders are allowed to roam freely. I get what you are saying... but this thread is not the one to discuss that.
....
All in all, things are different for top players. We peasants are not part of it. Thats how the world works. Make peace with it.
Y’all are cutthroat.
But do they not adjust points based on banned players at the end of events like this? No idea how it works.
I guess that would be hard in this case as that specific modder probably stole a lot of points and possibly ranks along the way skewing the points for everyone except one player.
It is a pretty slippery slope and definitely not cut and dry.
I believe AW is the same way, they dock points from the "cheating" alliance; but they don't give the points for winning to the cheated alliance.
Ok. I guess good job helpful members of society.
Have you seen or noticed that day one event or content streamers get issues fixed almost immediately.
Like during the stream.
Then it breaks again and is never fixed?