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Sable disorient doesn’t stop Void debuffs?

Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,696 ★★★★★
edited 1:49AM in General Discussion
I was testing Sable against Void in practice mode. In the first screenshot, you can see the disorient from her heavy is active ( right at the start of the fight). Second screenshot, his timer has ticked down for the first time and he applied the debuff even though disorient is still up.

I re-read his description, there’s nothing about ability accuracy protection or anything like that.




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  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,801 Guardian
    Did you hit him the exact frame he applied the debuff? Disorient only lowers defensive ability accuracy which means it affects only things that trigger the frame you hit an opponent. These are typically linked to thorns and evade or others things that trigger when you hit the opponent
  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Member Posts: 2,381 ★★★★★
    Silver Sable's Disorient applies a 100% (vs Science) Disorient Passive. Disorient is Defensive Ability Reduction effect. Emphasis on the 'Defensive'.

    When you are using Sable against Science champs, all of their 'Defensive' abilities are shutoff when they have this Disorient. So if you hit them, they will not trigger their 'Defensive' abilities.

    Examples:

    - Immortal Abomination's Poison if you 'hit' him.
    - Spider-Man's evade if you 'hit' him.
    - Photon's application of debuff if you 'hit' her.
    - Spot's phasing if you 'hit' him.

    Back to your question, Void's application of debuff is not a 'defensive' ability. It is an offensive ability. It applies when the debuff application timer is up, not when you hit him.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,771 ★★★★★
    Vendemiaire said:

    Silver Sable's Disorient applies a 100% (vs Science) Disorient Passive. Disorient is Defensive Ability Reduction effect. Emphasis on the 'Defensive'.

    When you are using Sable against Science champs, all of their 'Defensive' abilities are shutoff when they have this Disorient. So if you hit them, they will not trigger their 'Defensive' abilities.

    Examples:

    - Immortal Abomination's Poison if you 'hit' him.
    - Spider-Man's evade if you 'hit' him.
    - Photon's application of debuff if you 'hit' her.
    - Spot's phasing if you 'hit' him.

    Back to your question, Void's application of debuff is not a 'defensive' ability. It is an offensive ability. It applies when the debuff application timer is up, not when you hit him.

    It's the other way around. If any ability tries to trigger while I'm hitting the opponent, and not just because in hitting then,then it is a defensive ability

    If void triggers the debuffs exactly on s hit, then it can be prevented with Daar
  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Member Posts: 2,381 ★★★★★
    To remove debuffs from Sable, you can purify 1 debuff if you pass your Sable mine.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,696 ★★★★★
    Thanks folks, super helpful.
  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Member Posts: 2,381 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    Vendemiaire said:

    Silver Sable's Disorient applies a 100% (vs Science) Disorient Passive. Disorient is Defensive Ability Reduction effect. Emphasis on the 'Defensive'.

    When you are using Sable against Science champs, all of their 'Defensive' abilities are shutoff when they have this Disorient. So if you hit them, they will not trigger their 'Defensive' abilities.

    Examples:

    - Immortal Abomination's Poison if you 'hit' him.
    - Spider-Man's evade if you 'hit' him.
    - Photon's application of debuff if you 'hit' her.
    - Spot's phasing if you 'hit' him.

    Back to your question, Void's application of debuff is not a 'defensive' ability. It is an offensive ability. It applies when the debuff application timer is up, not when you hit him.

    It's the other way around. If any ability tries to trigger while I'm hitting the opponent, and not just because in hitting then,then it is a defensive ability

    If void triggers the debuffs exactly on s hit, then it can be prevented with Daar
    That only works with Concussion. Pure Ability Accuracy reduction.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,771 ★★★★★
    Vendemiaire said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Vendemiaire said:

    Silver Sable's Disorient applies a 100% (vs Science) Disorient Passive. Disorient is Defensive Ability Reduction effect. Emphasis on the 'Defensive'.

    When you are using Sable against Science champs, all of their 'Defensive' abilities are shutoff when they have this Disorient. So if you hit them, they will not trigger their 'Defensive' abilities.

    Examples:

    - Immortal Abomination's Poison if you 'hit' him.
    - Spider-Man's evade if you 'hit' him.
    - Photon's application of debuff if you 'hit' her.
    - Spot's phasing if you 'hit' him.

    Back to your question, Void's application of debuff is not a 'defensive' ability. It is an offensive ability. It applies when the debuff application timer is up, not when you hit him.

    It's the other way around. If any ability tries to trigger while I'm hitting the opponent, and not just because in hitting then,then it is a defensive ability

    If void triggers the debuffs exactly on s hit, then it can be prevented with Daar
    That only works with Concussion. Pure Ability Accuracy reduction.
    The way DAAR and OAAR effectively works is by putting an "invisible" concussion on the opponent while hitting them and while being hit, respectively
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,270 ★★★★★
    Vendemiaire said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Vendemiaire said:

    Silver Sable's Disorient applies a 100% (vs Science) Disorient Passive. Disorient is Defensive Ability Reduction effect. Emphasis on the 'Defensive'.

    When you are using Sable against Science champs, all of their 'Defensive' abilities are shutoff when they have this Disorient. So if you hit them, they will not trigger their 'Defensive' abilities.

    Examples:

    - Immortal Abomination's Poison if you 'hit' him.
    - Spider-Man's evade if you 'hit' him.
    - Photon's application of debuff if you 'hit' her.
    - Spot's phasing if you 'hit' him.

    Back to your question, Void's application of debuff is not a 'defensive' ability. It is an offensive ability. It applies when the debuff application timer is up, not when you hit him.

    It's the other way around. If any ability tries to trigger while I'm hitting the opponent, and not just because in hitting then,then it is a defensive ability

    If void triggers the debuffs exactly on a hit, then it can be prevented with Daar
    That only works with Concussion. Pure Ability Accuracy reduction.
    That's the point. Only if we time it at the exact second... hard to time it anyway.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,698 ★★★★★
    This kind of thing always confuses me but if void can apply the debuff while you both dance around and not actually hit each other, how is it considered a defensive ability?

    And if its a defensive ability, why does the same thing happen if void is the attacker?
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,771 ★★★★★
    phillgreen said:

    This kind of thing always confuses me but if void can apply the debuff while you both dance around and not actually hit each other, how is it considered a defensive ability?

    And if its a defensive ability, why does the same thing happen if void is the attacker?

    Because there is no such thing as a defensive ability as far as the game mechanics is concerned. It's just something we use to describe the mechnic in common terms
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