I feel like the Eidols were suppose to be the next deathless but kabam missed hugely

I feel like the Eidols were suppose to be the next deathless chases but kabam missed hugely for multiple reasons

1) the deathless pieces were given out for completing hard content. A lot of the pieces were given out the same way as now (finish BGs, war showcase) but a lot of the deathless pieces were given through the seasonal pain quests. Those were super fun to do (except that abs man) and people felt a sense of accomplishment beating them. Now the pieces are locked away behind like top war placement, top arena placement, and stuff like that which isn't accessible to 99.9% of the playerbase.

2) this one is a two parter: the deathless champ chase was fun because we knew we'd get a bonus champ at the end, thanos. And we know these heroes. The Eidol chase is not the same because I don't think anyone has the same emotional connection to any of these, frankly, weird as hell looking kabam creations. I couldn't care less if I got solvarch / Megatron, or isophene or whoever the next jaborni will be. Whereas she hulk, king Groot, vision and Thanos are awesome marvel characters people actually want, and Thanos has a long rich marvel history and has a lot of fans prior to being a deathless chase champ.

3) there are way too many pieces required for these Eidols that the majoring just can't collect, and probably can't even name where to get them. It loses its appeal when it's so difficult to get a champ that people just don't care and don't chase.

I'm honestly looking forward more to the rerelease of deathless pieces than I am for any of these new Eidol weirdos.

Comments

Raganator

Kabam 2024: Hey, it might be fun to have a year long chase to obtain Deathless champs!

Kabam 2025: People seemed to really enjoy that chase. What if we still make them chase, but also make them spend money on the chase? Brilliant!

Basically, I'm just ignoring the Eidols. To much squeezing these days.

Zacharias10719

Your mistake is thinking that they were ever supposed to be like the deathless chase. They are paid for early access champs that will hit the basic 6 months later.

Shrodinberg

The deathless chase was fun,
A paywall chase of unknow character isn't indeed.

Buttehrs

They clearly told us up front when the first eidol dropped they were nothing like the deathless chase. That's all you for assuming it was.

SirGamesBond

Kabam 2024: Hey, it might be fun to have a year long chase to obtain Deathless champs!

Kabam 2025: People seemed to really enjoy that chase. What if we still make them chase, but also make them spend money on the chase? Brilliant!

Basically, I'm just ignoring the Eidols. To much squeezing these days.

True!

They clearly told us up front when the first eidol dropped they were nothing like the deathless chase. That's all you for assuming it was.

True!

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Only issue is making paywall rarity out of thin air. Looking at you tigra and old champs, red guardian too.

Herbal_Taxman

My only complaint about the eidols is the needless mystery about when / how they can be acquired in the future. Even if I’m spending to get Soulbark, I should be able to know when he goes into the basic so I can plan for awakening with a gem, or not, or whatever.

hurricant

Your mistake is thinking that they were ever supposed to be like the deathless chase. They are paid for early access champs that will hit the basic 6 months later.

Your mistake was taking kabam at face value. This is obviously supposed to be an equivalent to the deathless chase. They're releasing multiple thematic champs with pieces you can get in content over many months. If you don't see this at the 2025 deathless chase just because kabam said so then I got a bridge to sell you

BringPopcorn

After fighting Solvarch in Valiant EQ i hate eidols and their craptastic fractured power bars... "Oh yay let me guess which one he is going to throw.. heads or tails"...

Buttehrs

Your mistake is thinking that they were ever supposed to be like the deathless chase. They are paid for early access champs that will hit the basic 6 months later.
Your mistake was taking kabam at face value. This is obviously supposed to be an equivalent to the deathless chase. They're releasing multiple thematic champs with pieces you can get in content over many months. If you don't see this at the 2025 deathless chase just because kabam said so then I got a bridge to sell you

Its very clearly not the same. At all. The deathless were advertised as needing all of them to get a special thanos and other stuff. The Eidols are simplu that. Regular champs that go into crystals. Do you see any deathless champs in crystals? Ill wait.

GilbertoJunior

What pisses me off even more besides unnecessary monetization is how the Eidols have the same problem as other Kabam original,they wilk just fade in obscure once this chase ends and they go for the basic pull

You have Vincent working in the dialogues and are pretty good but let's be honest,98% of the players don't read the dialogues and i hate how is just said and not show

Solvarch for example is mentioned by Scarlet Witch the half of her were frozen with faces of despair and the other half was burning in pain IN A DESTROYED KRAKOA , dude just made Genosha 2.0 and we just have dialogues,at the final battle it's said he one shot everyone with a blast of his core after Absorbing the energy of the battlerealm to a point the sky became a void

Guilly 2099 release EQ for example had a cutscene between her and modern guilly having a dinner and the swords taunting each other,last scene is just ther home with some damage taken floating ina asteroid

People keep saying he looks like Megatron,i would love him to have megatron voice in his dialogues because he screams a lot

Guilly family,Ægon,Galan, The Symbiotes,corrupted variations, Battle world factions

this is basicly a deeper rant version of your second point,It's so frustrating how much potential there is in the battlerealm but it's stuck in a mobile game with a company that themselfs don't realy know what to do

Xleb

My only complaint about the eidols is the needless mystery about when / how they can be acquired in the future. Even if I’m spending to get Soulbark, I should be able to know when he goes into the basic so I can plan for awakening with a gem, or not, or whatever.

This won't happen until next year. I think that with the December Titan update will have 7* Isophyne in the basic crystal

El_Professor

Intended or not, the Eidols are following right after the Deathless ‘saga’ and will always be seen as the next chapter of the contest - so it sucks that they are a little worse than the deathless in every way.

I think the Deathless saga is the best thing this game has ever done. But then the Eidols require spending money, they’re Kabam originals (lowers a lot of people’s interest), the communication was patchy (it’s gotten a lot better), and there’s no promised payoff (Thanos).

To be clear, I spent money and got 7* Lumatrix - he’s now my absolute favorite champ in the entire game, took him to R4 and used a skill AG on him even though his sig isn’t that useful. He’s amazing, I use him everywhere. All that, and I still am not a huge fan of the Eidols and definitely not how they’ve been implemented.

I would have been happy if they just basically repeated the deathless chase with Eidol pieces/essence to get the champs. There have been so many sales this year, so many 7* releases paywalled… it just compounds the issue. I spent to get Solvarch because of how much I love Lumatrix, and I’m ready with 12 essence, but if he doesn’t impress (and I’m not sure about him from what we’ve seen) then I may not get the final Eidol.

DONZALOOG1234

the bubble always bursts

Usagicassidy

Also, I am totally cool with Kabam flexing their creativity muscles and make some Original Characters (regardless of whether I think they were effective design or not), thinking that people would want to chase and spent tons of money on 'characters' with no existing relationship in the Marvel universe and thus no attachment to people was a pretty absurd decision.

BUT on the flip side, at least I have absolutely no desire to spend money on any of them. It's not like it's Mystique or Blink or Lizard or Polaris or Robbie Reyes or Cloak and Daggar or...

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

Your mistake is thinking that they were ever supposed to be like the deathless chase. They are paid for early access champs that will hit the basic 6 months later.
Your mistake was taking kabam at face value. This is obviously supposed to be an equivalent to the deathless chase.

No it isn't

benshb

Yes because the deathless chase was actually not a moneygrab

Ercarret

I don't really have a problem with Kabam designing a few champs that are only available early to top-placing players or those who pony up some cash. In fact, I kind of appreciate that they aren't well-known Marvel characters that those of us who won't earn them early will feel as if we miss out on. Additionally, I think they've done a great job of making them good enough to be worthwhile to hunt down but not powerful enough to really disturb the scales of power, so to speak. None of them seem to be make-or-break champs. They don't divide paying/high-achieving players and the rest of us scrubs into two seperate groups of haves and have-nots. All of that's great.

What I don't particularly like, though, is that half of the pieces are placed in content that a lot of the rest of us do complete. I find it somewhat annoying to earn half a champion every three months or so. In some cases, it also feels as if they take the place of other more meaningful rewards, such as in Raids. When you beat the final boss in Normal Raids, you get the choice of either picking up an Eidol piece or go for a lesser rewards, which feels like a pretty crappy choice when you know that that Eidol piece won't get you anywhere anyway. You just end up with 7/12 pieces instead of 6/12.

I would have prefered if they moved the chase entirely away from me instead of teasing me every time a new Eidol champ is about to be released. Even if I don't have a problem with the Eidols themselves, the release structure is just kind of annoying if you don't earn enough of the pieces to trade them in in the end. Especially since the idea (from what I understand) seems to be to simply release them into the basic pool at some time in the future, rather than for the rest of us to be able to earn additional pieces to unlock them.

Basically, no matter what the intention is, the way to acquire them feels a lot like the Deathless hunt, which was arguably the best thing about last year's Contest. I think the Eidols' inclusion this year would have met less resistance if the f2p half of earning them wasn't so similar to how you earned the Deathless champions.

Tairique_turay0

My 7* R3 Solvarch can’t finish any ROL fight in under 2 minutes but Storm. He’s not good. (I’m allowed to have an opinion Kabam… i’m allowed to say a champion is bad. Or am I supposed to lie and glaze him?).

Gamer

There always said they wouldn’t be

BringPopcorn

My 7* R3 Solvarch can’t finish any ROL fight in under 2 minutes but Storm. He’s not good. (I’m allowed to have an opinion Kabam… i’m allowed to say a champion is bad. Or am I supposed to lie and glaze him?).

????
He is a donut bar?
Cause he is a robot he has no hole in the middle.

GilbertoJunior

My 7* R3 Solvarch can’t finish any ROL fight in under 2 minutes but Storm. He’s not good. (I’m allowed to have an opinion Kabam… i’m allowed to say a champion is bad. Or am I supposed to lie and glaze him?).

????
He is a donut bar?
Cause he is a robot he has no hole in the middle.

he has the face on his chest that opens into a hole

GilbertoJunior

My 7* R3 Solvarch can’t finish any ROL fight in under 2 minutes but Storm. He’s not good. (I’m allowed to have an opinion Kabam… i’m allowed to say a champion is bad. Or am I supposed to lie and glaze him?).

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AS A MANIAC FOR THE CHARACTER HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOUR OPINION?

I agree they could have give him charges per punch instead of just being hit by energy,motivate agressive to keep the damage and let us reset his effects when you re gain them

and they likely will add armor penetration in the future based on his crit damage rating

BringPopcorn

My 7* R3 Solvarch can’t finish any ROL fight in under 2 minutes but Storm. He’s not good. (I’m allowed to have an opinion Kabam… i’m allowed to say a champion is bad. Or am I supposed to lie and glaze him?).

????
He is a donut bar?
Cause he is a robot he has no hole in the middle.

he has the face on his chest that opens into a hole

That's not a hole...its a face guard

Herbal_Taxman

My only complaint about the eidols is the needless mystery about when / how they can be acquired in the future. Even if I’m spending to get Soulbark, I should be able to know when he goes into the basic so I can plan for awakening with a gem, or not, or whatever.
This won't happen until next year. I think that with the December Titan update will have 7* Isophyne in the basic crystal

Maybe, maybe not. Whatever the answer is, it doesn’t need to be treated like a state secret. Just let players know what to expect.

PierreBwn

lol they literally said it’s not the same as the deathless chase😭. I understand your frustration though og🙏🏽

DinoHop05

They're the same insomuch as you're chasing a group of champs. But the big difference is Deathless chase involved skill and playing, whereas Eidols just involve spending money.

YodaKaj

Maybe we can get them down the line somehow, when they become less relevant to the META

GroundedWisdom

You may not be into them. Others are.

GilbertoJunior

Maybe we can get them down the line somehow, when they become less relevant to the META

Next year likely when they get into the base pool,but is 3 7 stars champions among almost 200 others

Toyota_2015

What pisses me off even more besides unnecessary monetization is how the Eidols have the same problem as other Kabam original,they wilk just fade in obscure once this chase ends and they go for the basic pull

You have Vincent working in the dialogues and are pretty good but let's be honest,98% of the players don't read the dialogues and i hate how is just said and not show

Solvarch for example is mentioned by Scarlet Witch the half of her were frozen with faces of despair and the other half was burning in pain IN A DESTROYED KRAKOA , dude just made Genosha 2.0 and we just have dialogues,at the final battle it's said he one shot everyone with a blast of his core after Absorbing the energy of the battlerealm to a point the sky became a void

Guilly 2099 release EQ for example had a cutscene between her and modern guilly having a dinner and the swords taunting each other,last scene is just ther home with some damage taken floating ina asteroid

People keep saying he looks like Megatron,i would love him to have megatron voice in his dialogues because he screams a lot

Guilly family,Ægon,Galan, The Symbiotes,corrupted variations, Battle world factions

this is basicly a deeper rant version of your second point,It's so frustrating how much potential there is in the battlerealm but it's stuck in a mobile game with a company that themselfs don't realy know what to do

I agree with your points about the narrative. It feels like there’s so much they want to show us and I really wish we could actually see it instead of just reading text boxes and imagining it ourselves.