Solvarch is a letdown?

@GroundedWisdom To be fair… it only takes less than 5 minutes to realise Solvarch has embarassing damage. I went from super hyped about him and instantly R4’ing him… to hating him after 5 mins of testing. He’s decent against energy mutant. Atrocious for everyone outside of that.

WednesdayLength

@ItsClobberinTime Lmao no it doesn’t 🤣💀 you wish buddy. It means i’m not a sheep and have my own opinions. I even share them, knowing that it’s an unpopular opinion and most people aren’t going to agree. I clearly don’t care because I keep sharing them regardless. I keep it real and don’t fold just to fit in. Forums needs MFers like me son 🤘🏽😤🔥

There's

@ItsClobberinTime I literally addressed something that YOU brought up lmao… why would your next response be ‘instead of focusing on that’ 💀 makes 0 sense. You just had no rebuttals to what I said.

And wow… doing 1 out of 300 champions in 30 seconds and all the other champs outside of the few he counters in 5 minutes is great 😬👍🏽

You're acting like that 1 champion out of 300 isn't one of the top defenders in the game. He can also take Onslaught, captain Britain, Cassandra, ice man etc.

@CheeseMaster482 FACTS.

@ItsClobberinTime I literally addressed something that YOU brought up lmao… why would your next response be ‘instead of focusing on that’ 💀 makes 0 sense. You just had no rebuttals to what I said.

And wow… doing 1 out of 300 champions in 30 seconds and all the other champs outside of the few he counters in 5 minutes is great 😬👍🏽

How about you stop crying and try the sp1 sp3 rotation from the video above on ROL WS instead? I'm getting 250k damage with a r1, like I said the damage is not bad when you know what you're doing and his kit is very complex. I don't care about your narcissism or arguing any of that, only think I do want to argue is the fact that you're calling him trash you haven't tried his abilities fully yet. Watch the video against Bullseye and Spider Woman and then come back and say he's trash again lol it's not just one defender.

Emilia90

Despite being retired I still like reading the forums from time to time so if Tarique and CheeseMaster could go back to focusing on their middle school education so I can read what everyone else has to say, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!

@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧

But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy…….
Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?

@Emilia90 If you could just not waste your time watching people discuss a game that you don’t even play anymore… that would be great. Thanks!

CheeseMaster482

Despite being retired I still like reading the forums from time to time so if Tarique and CheeseMaster could go back to focusing on their middle school education so I can read what everyone else has to say, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!

"Retired" after getting clowned on for glazing WOF 🤣. Folded so fast you even had to switch pfp from the embarrassment.

@CheeseMaster482 Damn lmao I didn’t know all that 💀

Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?

thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick

TotemCorruption

https://youtu.be/ABN1aU8EESE?si=OHJWT20pmRLnaYSv
He can do Bullseye btw, with a completely different rotation. I think people are being way too quick to judge lol he's not a champ who's easy to figure out, his mechanics are very complex and for non energy matchups sp3 is the way to go. I assume nobody here had been using sp3 this way so far.

Also he showcases what I explained, you start with sp2 instead so you have time to build up charges again before the ten energize so you have more core charges, he's slower but he can even do Spider Woman this way.

Yeah I watched this video this morning.
I don't have Solvarch and honestly his design is not my cup of tea, but his damage and utility looks pretty good from what I can tell.
Don't really understand why Tairique is so upset.
What did people expect, Ares?

WhisperDARK

Community trying to gaslight themselves into thinking a borderline useless champion is decent? No way! Actually funny how easily you guys are still manipulated by a single youtube video showcasing a champion in battlegrounds with no nodes and masteries. He might do well against Onslaught, Jean and maybe Cassandra Nova when she's obtainable. That's all the meta mutant defenders she can take really, she can't even do the whole class as well as you're making it out to be so why even bother with him? He's straight up terrible against non-energy/mutant defenders, this shouldn't be of discussion at this point. Considering his utility is based around mutant class it shouldn't come off as a surprise when he still performs poorly against the likes of Enchantress and Photon either.

As a final note I should clarify that all these comments are based on his expected performance in battlegrounds, maybe he turns out great for war but I see no viability for battlegrounds other than maybe some cheesy metas. Also I find it weird that he can't freely do medium combo enders against Onslaught who is the only justification of his existence but we'll see I guess.

And please don't come up with "He can counter Captain Britain! ", just let her terrible rework be forgotten 🙏 She already peaked for 2 weeks of a bgs meta, there's no higher for her.

GroundedWisdom

I love how Champs come out for about 5 minutes and people form these assessments. When will they ever learn?
Only need 5 minutes to identify MID

Hard disagree on that. Scores of Champs have been amazing and everyone said they were meh when they came out. Hyperion comes to mind, Tigra is another. I've seen people turn their nose up at every Champ over the years that isn't big yellow or red numbers. Fact is, people don't spend enough time using Champs to make assessments.

Koukentsu

He's another of the game's over 100 mid-tier champions.
There are at least two every month. I think we may never again see a champion who's useful in every scenario. The focus has increasingly been on champions for extremely specific scenarios or focused on specific defenders.
He's more of a counter to Onslaught and mutants in general. I'd say he was specifically designed for Captain Britain and her Neuroshocks.
He'll be a reasonable defender; it seems the cosmic ones handle him without any major issues.
Unfortunately, all the versatile champions have fallen victim to Rarity Lock: Kate Bishop, Hulkling, Hercules, Magik, Quake, Ghost, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Absorbing Man...
There's no point in expecting anything like this from new champions. Not every champion needs to be versatile or extremely good on offense. But I got the feeling his rotation is very slow. I didn't feel like using him at all.

What I don't understand they keep dropping mid attackers but op defenders with a huge list to their abilities. It feels unbalanced.

Childish_Almino

As I have said on other threads were especially 2 certain trolls have been baiting for hate, I think it’s totally fine to enjoy a champ that isn’t too powerful. Like the Kamala Khan guy and enjoying her or others like the Daredevil (HK) guy and the psychoman guy. All those enjoy their characters and would tell you how strong and fun they are. Same as Solvarch, despite his obvious weaknesses, I personally really enjoy him and think he’s really strong with his utility and tankiness. Would I like a tune-up? Definitely! Is he still fine as he is and not completely useless, causing me to hate for days on the forums because I overestimate him and took him to r4? Yeah, he’s still a fine champ. And that’s that.

@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧

But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy…….
Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?

Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.

Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.

DNA3000

He's another of the game's over 100 mid-tier champions.
There are at least two every month. I think we may never again see a champion who's useful in every scenario. The focus has increasingly been on champions for extremely specific scenarios or focused on specific defenders.
He's more of a counter to Onslaught and mutants in general. I'd say he was specifically designed for Captain Britain and her Neuroshocks.
He'll be a reasonable defender; it seems the cosmic ones handle him without any major issues.
Unfortunately, all the versatile champions have fallen victim to Rarity Lock: Kate Bishop, Hulkling, Hercules, Magik, Quake, Ghost, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Absorbing Man...
There's no point in expecting anything like this from new champions. Not every champion needs to be versatile or extremely good on offense. But I got the feeling his rotation is very slow. I didn't feel like using him at all.
What I don't understand they keep dropping mid attackers but op defenders with a huge list to their abilities. It feels unbalanced.

I think this is more perception than reality. There’s a lot of attackers released designed to counter meta defenders and vice versa a lot of defenders designed to be very difficult to beat without specific counters, but a defender that only a few attackers can easily take down is considered OP while an attacker that only shines against a few defenders is considered mid. This seems asymmetric and biased towards defenders, but its essentially two sides of the same design coin.

I also think there’s a greater emphasis on damage output among a lot of the community than there is among the champion designers. Again, the current design philosophy tends to focus on threats and counters, and less on speed. Damage output plays a role in the value of a champion as designed, but it is just one. It tends to feel like more than half the focus of evaluations on the player side of the fence. Battlegrounds probably plays a significant role here, but to be frank its difficult to solely blame BG for this when this bias has existed every day of the existence of the game.

https://youtu.be/ABN1aU8EESE?si=OHJWT20pmRLnaYSv
He can do Bullseye btw, with a completely different rotation. I think people are being way too quick to judge lol he's not a champ who's easy to figure out, his mechanics are very complex and for non energy matchups sp3 is the way to go. I assume nobody here had been using sp3 this way so far.

Also he showcases what I explained, you start with sp2 instead so you have time to build up charges again before the ten energize so you have more core charges, he's slower but he can even do Spider Woman this way.
Yeah I watched this video this morning.
I don't have Solvarch and honestly his design is not my cup of tea, but his damage and utility looks pretty good from what I can tell.
Don't really understand why Tairique is so upset.
What did people expect, Ares?

Yeah I don't know what he's complaining about either. He keeps glazing Patriot who's only good for Photon, and Gentle who's only good for skill champs but then complains about Solvarch who is a very tanky defender without a counter and takes: Onslaught, Jean, Capt. Britain, Cassandra, Sinister, Zola, Bullseye and Spider Woman. Hell, he can even take Enchantress once he gets to that sp3 and nukes her the same way he nuked Bullseye. It's like this guy has everything completely twisted around.

As I have said on other threads were especially 2 certain trolls have been baiting for hate, I think it’s totally fine to enjoy a champ that isn’t too powerful. Like the Kamala Khan guy and enjoying her or others like the Daredevil (HK) guy and the psychoman guy. All those enjoy their characters and would tell you how strong and fun they are. Same as Solvarch, despite his obvious weaknesses, I personally really enjoy him and think he’s really strong with his utility and tankiness. Would I like a tune-up? Definitely! Is he still fine as he is and not completely useless, causing me to hate for days on the forums because I overestimate him and took him to r4? Yeah, he’s still a fine champ. And that’s that.

"Would I like a tune-up? Definitely!"

many would love that but i don't think they will buff him next year, people are learning new Stuff and his finding places in AW and the excuse they gave to not buff Isophyne was her AW performance

Even the Crit replacement that should have been added since the beginning they won't add

WhisperDARK

As I have said on other threads were especially 2 certain trolls have been baiting for hate, I think it’s totally fine to enjoy a champ that isn’t too powerful. Like the Kamala Khan guy and enjoying her or others like the Daredevil (HK) guy and the psychoman guy. All those enjoy their characters and would tell you how strong and fun they are. Same as Solvarch, despite his obvious weaknesses, I personally really enjoy him and think he’s really strong with his utility and tankiness. Would I like a tune-up? Definitely! Is he still fine as he is and not completely useless, causing me to hate for days on the forums because I overestimate him and took him to r4? Yeah, he’s still a fine champ. And that’s that.

And there's always that one guy who takes every single bait and turns the simplest post into a battlefield. No idea why its so hard to just not engage with such established trolls, guess some people have all the time in the world with not much else to do. Keep up with your feud guys, let's shut down this thread as well all because of your personal issues!

captain_rogers

If he can take down some of the top defenders like arnim zola, onslaught, cap britain, bullseye etc pretty fast then he's fine end of the discussion.

WednesdayLength

Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?

thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick

All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they

WednesdayLength

He's another of the game's over 100 mid-tier champions.
There are at least two every month. I think we may never again see a champion who's useful in every scenario. The focus has increasingly been on champions for extremely specific scenarios or focused on specific defenders.
He's more of a counter to Onslaught and mutants in general. I'd say he was specifically designed for Captain Britain and her Neuroshocks.
He'll be a reasonable defender; it seems the cosmic ones handle him without any major issues.
Unfortunately, all the versatile champions have fallen victim to Rarity Lock: Kate Bishop, Hulkling, Hercules, Magik, Quake, Ghost, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Absorbing Man...
There's no point in expecting anything like this from new champions. Not every champion needs to be versatile or extremely good on offense. But I got the feeling his rotation is very slow. I didn't feel like using him at all.
What I don't understand they keep dropping mid attackers but op defenders with a huge list to their abilities. It feels unbalanced.

Yeah man, we totally haven't gotten champs like okoye, zola, Spiderwoman, lumatrix, nico or karolina /s

Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?

thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick
All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they

"XL female MODEL" talking about the model they will use, Isophyne use a female model regardless if she's not being with gender or not

Wasy1

Worst eidol champion his damage is like a 5*

Worst eidol champion his damage is like a 5*

Where does a 5* do 17K mediums and 13K lights? Even base damage is normal for the rank

WhisperDARK

One word I'd use to describe this champion is forced. His rotation doesn't flow well, utilities like power drain and heal block are not as reliable as with Red Skull for example. Damage phase is so short that unless you're dealt constant energy damage over time its hard to maintain the reverb at high potency even against most mutants. Solvarch can't take long fights, there's no discussion about that. Even in short fights he takes at least 3 bars of power to get going with nothing to speed up that process, he doesn't have something to build up power faster like Titania tanking hits at the start of the fight with haymakers. Most champions nowadays are designed to finish fights in 3 bars of power, Solvarch doesn't even get to begin before that so he's inherently slow for battlegrounds. It feels like his rotation was forced in order to implement the fractured power bar mechanic in a unique way that its so impractical and not worth it. He doesn't have increased ability accuracy or some reduction immunity either so he can't take Domino and Sinister that well who are arguably among the top 5 mutant defenders in battlegrounds, there are so many more tech attackers I'd pick over this guy that I don't see myself using him ever in that mode. AW seems like the only beacon of hope from personal observations but I'd love him to hopefully exceed my expectations.

As I have said on other threads were especially 2 certain trolls have been baiting for hate, I think it’s totally fine to enjoy a champ that isn’t too powerful. Like the Kamala Khan guy and enjoying her or others like the Daredevil (HK) guy and the psychoman guy. All those enjoy their characters and would tell you how strong and fun they are. Same as Solvarch, despite his obvious weaknesses, I personally really enjoy him and think he’s really strong with his utility and tankiness. Would I like a tune-up? Definitely! Is he still fine as he is and not completely useless, causing me to hate for days on the forums because I overestimate him and took him to r4? Yeah, he’s still a fine champ. And that’s that.
And there's always that one guy who takes every single bait and turns the simplest post into a battlefield. No idea why its so hard to just not engage with such established trolls, guess some people have all the time in the world with not much else to do. Keep up with your feud guys, let's shut down this thread as well all because of your personal issues!

Bro farming even more disagrees and he's barely been here four days 💀