@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Not sure about how it works but could it be that the stat focus only increases the flat sp3 damage without considering the passive attack rating increase during it? Cause I remember testing Havok in RoL and despite the class advantage against Winter Soldier he would still get a similar sp3 damage against Captain Marvel. I assume that it has to do with how prowess works with an attack rating increase, that's also why I almost never find it optimal as a stat focus. Appreciate the testing, have an insightful from me!
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
So this could be another champion that requires a high rank to be the best at
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
So this could be another champion that requires a high rank to be the best at
Not exactly, just a champ that can only punch against same rank, higher rank he will absolutely struggle except for his target matchups.
His basic damage is terrible. Every other champ that doesn't crit has something to make a difference there.
I tried Solvarch r3 in the common bad matchup of Winter Soldier and compared him against Guardian r3, G2099 r1, FalCap r1, Jack r4, and Prowler r1.
I didn't have all year, so I just compared Mediums.
Solv - 1854 Jack - 2633 Guardian - 1960 G2099 - 1412 at no combo Prowler - 1183
The others all do something useful to make up for not critting, and Solvarch has his weak Coldsnap. I can get a semi-cooperative Winter Soldier down in less than 90 seconds with r3 Solvarch doing Parry, MM to 3 "bars", GG striker, SP1, SP3. Cleanup. I'm sure there's something optimal after the SP3, but I don't know what it is, so the Cleanup could be optimized to take off more time. Not super impressive, but it is a terrible matchup.
The worst is that they won't buff him even after he goes to the base pool,even if they annouce it will take months to happen
It was just give Shocker Mechanic and make the crit rating boost your attack rating ,there would still be some problems but damage wise this could have helped and kept consistency between Non crit techs
Maybe we can hide our vile comments if we act like nothing happened and move on to the next page? Like the good and bad guy settles their differences and work together to save the world? I'm down!
Now back to the topic, I'm personally quite confused as well with the can't crit ability of techs getting more common with something else in place to compensate for the damage loss. Most techs of that sort either inflicted a DoT instead or had something unique like Shocker armor penetration increase. Not sure why but I think Maker doesn't have anything to replace the crits either, nor does Solvarch. The ability can be beneficial by itself against crit punishing champions but just leads to lack of damage in every other scenario. Not sure what the thought process behind that is, champions like Guillotine99 and Prowler get through stuff that punish crits perfectly fine while maintaining their intended damage. Just weird that the latest releases don't have a replacement for some reason. Feels like something missing for sure.
The Maker gets a pass because of the instant Plasmas on his heavy and his Plasma mine, and both of those damages scale with his crit damage multiplier, and he can also power them up with his own Instants Siphon pre-fight.
I see. Honestly I believe that Crossbones has one of the most ideal crit replacements in the game since he gets furies with critical hits and those furies get their potency increased with critical damage rating. I think Prowler also has a similar thing going for him where his crits are rupture passives and their damage also scales with critical damage rating. That's more so my point here, I prefer when champions that can't land critical hits get the perks of precisions and cruelties just as well as anyone. I'm fine if not both are compensated simultaneously but it doesn't make much sense when a champion benefits from neither of these stats like Solvarch. And it gets even funnier for him to have some decent critical rating and critical damage rating stats when he benefits from none.
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
What is the Armor penetration % of his stat focus?
Not sure but it certainly made a noticeable difference. I'll bump this thread again once I get him to r4 to showcase the max sp3 damage he can deal in a realistic scenario like BGs, I really need to see how well it scales. Only way to know for sure if he can or can't do other meta defenders like Bullseye Enchantress and Spider Woman reliably in 50ish seconds like in Nick's videos. If he can, I think a lot of people on this thread will realize they were sleeping on him, 150k sp3s at r1 is not bad at all.
This is the state of the game. People fighting over how good a champ is or how much it sucks previous to a review or rebalance 🤣🤣 Newsflash guys not sure if you have noticed. You don't get a banger champ unless you spend 500+ on some store track or you gamble units with a chance to a pity guarantee after a ridiculous ammount of crystals...
Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?
thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick
All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they
"XL female MODEL" talking about the model they will use, Isophyne use a female model regardless if she's not being with gender or not
That's for coding and admin stuff, in lore and in game they've consistently been referred to as they. Having a body that appears feminine doesn't suddenly mean they are male or female
Community trying to gaslight themselves into thinking a borderline useless champion is decent? No way! Actually funny how easily you guys are still manipulated by a single youtube video showcasing a champion in battlegrounds with no nodes and masteries. He might do well against Onslaught, Jean and maybe Cassandra Nova when she's obtainable. That's all the meta mutant defenders she can take really, she can't even do the whole class as well as you're making it out to be so why even bother with him? He's straight up terrible against non-energy/mutant defenders, this shouldn't be of discussion at this point. Considering his utility is based around mutant class it shouldn't come off as a surprise when he still performs poorly against the likes of Enchantress and Photon either.
As a final note I should clarify that all these comments are based on his expected performance in battlegrounds, maybe he turns out great for war but I see no viability for battlegrounds other than maybe some cheesy metas. Also I find it weird that he can't freely do medium combo enders against Onslaught who is the only justification of his existence but we'll see I guess.
And please don't come up with "He can counter Captain Britain! ", just let her terrible rework be forgotten 🙏 She already peaked for 2 weeks of a bgs meta, there's no higher for her.
We haven’t obtained her as a 7* yet from the track
Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?
thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick
All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they
"XL female MODEL" talking about the model they will use, Isophyne use a female model regardless if she's not being with gender or not
That's for coding and admin stuff, in lore and in game they've consistently been referred to as they. Having a body that appears feminine doesn't suddenly mean they are male or female
"That's for coding and admin stuff" but thats exacly why i said model i'm referring to design programming, them having gender or not doesn't change wich body type they use for the models, and people have been calling Solvarch him multiple times on this thread why did you call out when i talk about the octopus????
@ItsClobberinTime how are you not shure of the stat focus % potency If you have them in game?
Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?
thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick
All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they
"XL female MODEL" talking about the model they will use, Isophyne use a female model regardless if she's not being with gender or not
That's for coding and admin stuff, in lore and in game they've consistently been referred to as they. Having a body that appears feminine doesn't suddenly mean they are male or female
"That's for coding and admin stuff" but thats exacly why i said model i'm referring to design programming, them having gender or not doesn't change wich body type they use for the models, and people have been calling Solvarch him multiple times on this thread why did you call out when i talk about the octopus????
@ItsClobberinTime how are you not shure of the stat focus % potency If you have them in game?
Btw does anyone know how many eidol champs we are getting in total?
thats how she or he looks like and we are betting on either mutant or science,hoping It's a XL female model because we only have Peni and her model looks sick
All of the eidols are genderless and are identified as they
"XL female MODEL" talking about the model they will use, Isophyne use a female model regardless if she's not being with gender or not
That's for coding and admin stuff, in lore and in game they've consistently been referred to as they. Having a body that appears feminine doesn't suddenly mean they are male or female
"That's for coding and admin stuff" but thats exacly why i said model i'm referring to design programming, them having gender or not doesn't change wich body type they use for the models, and people have been calling Solvarch him multiple times on this thread why did you call out when i talk about the octopus????
@ItsClobberinTime how are you not shure of the stat focus % potency If you have them in game?
Because you specifically asked about whether they're he or she. I'm not calling you out im just answering the question you asked. I also don't get what the model they have has to do with what I said.
This is the exact reason I question some of these YouTubers that come out and hype this champ up. Yes, he’s very good in ideal matchups, but absolutely mid every other fight. I’m going to get him because there may be some end game content we’ll need edols for. But I’ll probably not rank him up
Despite being retired I still like reading the forums from time to time so if Tarique and CheeseMaster could go back to focusing on their middle school education so I can read what everyone else has to say, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!
"Retired" after getting clowned on for glazing WOF 🤣. Folded so fast you even had to switch pfp from the embarrassment.
Aww you still think of me. That’s sweet of you! Nice to know I live rent free in there and you even have headcanons of me. I’m sorry though, I’m not interested in middle schoolers. I’m sure you’ll find someone else at some point though! And keep at Wheel of Fate, I’m sure in a few years you’ll be able to beat it too
Argument already ended buddy, no need for the reddit response. you don't even play the game anymore, stay on topic lil jit
Despite being retired I still like reading the forums from time to time so if Tarique and CheeseMaster could go back to focusing on their middle school education so I can read what everyone else has to say, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!
"Retired" after getting clowned on for glazing WOF 🤣. Folded so fast you even had to switch pfp from the embarrassment.
Aww you still think of me. That’s sweet of you! Nice to know I live rent free in there and you even have headcanons of me. I’m sorry though, I’m not interested in middle schoolers. I’m sure you’ll find someone else at some point though! And keep at Wheel of Fate, I’m sure in a few years you’ll be able to beat it too
*Jeez not only its a dump of a mush brain I also have to have a roomie?* Oh Hi there roomie....
This is the exact reason I question some of these YouTubers that come out and hype this champ up. Yes, he’s very good in ideal matchups, but absolutely mid every other fight. I’m going to get him because there may be some end game content we’ll need edols for. But I’ll probably not rank him up
There are plenty of youtubers showing him be flexible against non ideal match ups with tough defenders
This is the exact reason I question some of these YouTubers that come out and hype this champ up. Yes, he’s very good in ideal matchups, but absolutely mid every other fight. I’m going to get him because there may be some end game content we’ll need edols for. But I’ll probably not rank him up
There are plenty of youtubers showing him be flexible against non ideal match ups with tough defenders
I've seen one video but it shows him at rank 4 which doesn't mean anything since all rank 4s are "good" enough
Despite being retired I still like reading the forums from time to time so if Tarique and CheeseMaster could go back to focusing on their middle school education so I can read what everyone else has to say, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!
"Retired" after getting clowned on for glazing WOF 🤣. Folded so fast you even had to switch pfp from the embarrassment.
Aww you still think of me. That’s sweet of you! Nice to know I live rent free in there and you even have headcanons of me. I’m sorry though, I’m not interested in middle schoolers. I’m sure you’ll find someone else at some point though! And keep at Wheel of Fate, I’m sure in a few years you’ll be able to beat it too
He doesn't even play BGs because he doesn't have the skills for it so that's wishful thinking but I don't think he'll ever beat it. Wish you'd been here when he started glazing last month's side quest because it required zero skill to grind and get some decent rewards 💀
BGs is different from regular content. The difference is also very obvious so I don't know why you think being "good" at BGs is needed to complete endgame content.
This is the exact reason I question some of these YouTubers that come out and hype this champ up. Yes, he’s very good in ideal matchups, but absolutely mid every other fight. I’m going to get him because there may be some end game content we’ll need edols for. But I’ll probably not rank him up
50-55 secs for Bullseye, Photon and Spider Woman is mid when he already does basically the entire mutant class in 30-40? https://youtu.be/ABN1aU8EESE?si=eCbu2-xeTMAtU6DL Last time I post this video cause I'm pretty sure not a single person here is using the sp3 rotation which actually has good damage and it's the rotation that you should be using for non mutants and non energy based fights.
We'll see how he turns out in a few weeks at most, pointless to keep arguing over the same thing when everything has been said already. I honestly expect him to only maybe find success in AW, have no hopes for him in other content. It seems that KT1 kinda shares my thoughts as well with a video released today, shows some different perspective than the usual simplified bgs simulations.
I'd be happy to eat my words if he turns out to be as good as some people are hyping him up to be though it really does seem unlikely. If he does turn out to be as bad as I had anticipated, please do me a favour and stop falling for every bgs simulation showcase. It shouldn't be as easy to get convinced over a few minutes of a youtube video or RoL testing
Speaking of Eidol champs, I missed out on getting 6* Lumatrix. Does anyone know if it’s confirmed he will be added later next year in the basic 6* crystal?
Speaking of Eidol champs, I missed out on getting 6* Lumatrix. Does anyone know if it’s confirmed he will be added later next year in the basic 6* crystal?
Yes,they all will get 3 to 6 star rarities,they already exist in the game code and Kabam leaked them by accident during the update
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
what is the armor penetration now? pls don't be lazy
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
what is the armor penetration now? pls don't be lazy
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
what is the armor penetration now? pls don't be lazy
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
Something to add on Bullseye is that his Cruelty gives physical resistence and thats one of Solvarch main weaknesses,it cost me a fight in war few minutes ago
@GilbertoJunior@ItsClobberinTime You both have been trying your hardest to change everyone’s mind about Solvarch being mid/bad since he released 🤧 Clobber been jumping through hoops to try and do something with Solvarch that make him seem good…. and you’ve yet to do so. Clobber, many of us already have Solmid at R3-R4 and the common consensus is that he's still as mid as he is at any other rank. That won’t change because you specifically are gonna test him the same rank. We don’t need an update, we’ve seen what he can do. The champion needs a tune up. It’s that simple. You see the reviews for Solvarch even on youtube… they say the same shi. Rather than trying to persuade people he is better than he is… it would be more effective to talk about how soon his tune-up will be happening.
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
I do agree with some of your points but I disagree with a few.
1. Bullseye: after you throw that sp1 it's very hard to screw up and lose charges unless your reaction time is not that good. That's how I've been doing that WS in ROL and so far it plays perfectly, bait two sp2s and fight's done. The only thing that could screw this up is the metas mainly power gain ones, now of course I could be wrong but I'm definitely willing to try this matchup myself and I will once he's r3. I definitely don't think it'll be as hard as you think 2. Sinister: I don't think it's really as bad as you make it sound, I've done Sinister with champs like FAM and Red Skull and the rotation is pretty much the same as with Solvarch. Bait heavy and push to sp2, and the fight usually goes pretty well, I do think however he should've used sp3 here not sp2 sp1 like he did. Again, another match up I will definitely be trying myself. 3. Dust, Domino: I agree he's not the best and he will either take long or lose some hp but the way I see Solvarch for these fights is as a last resort. We all have been screwed by luck RNG, what if your opponent didn't get a counter for your defender that's an easy win right there. If you draft a better counter you can always throw him on defense instead. 4. Enchantress: another champ where I think he used the wrong rotation, what I will be trying out is bait two sp1s and go straight to sp3 before she throws sp2 but fight has to be over after her sp2. 5. Capt. Britain: I think she will be a lot more relevant than you think and that increases Solvarch's value, not saying she's this unkillable defender but she is very tanky you have to slow play it without a counter.
I do take back the Photon and Spider Woman comments tho, Inequity is absolutely going to be a problem there. I'm still going to try both but you might be onto something. Also, another thing is he likely won't be able to punch a rank above unless it's a mutant or a matchup where you can get all 10 energize passives so that is something worth keeping in mind. I doubt he will be this insane dual threat like Spider Woman but personally, I do think there's some value and potential there, we'll see.
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People fighting over how good a champ is or how much it sucks previous to a review or rebalance 🤣🤣
Newsflash guys not sure if you have noticed. You don't get a banger champ unless you spend 500+ on some store track or you gamble units with a chance to a pity guarantee after a ridiculous ammount of crystals...
"That's for coding and admin stuff" but thats exacly why i said model i'm referring to design programming, them having gender or not doesn't change wich body type they use for the models, and people have been calling Solvarch him multiple times on this thread why did you call out when i talk about the octopus????
@ItsClobberinTime how are you not shure of the stat focus % potency If you have them in game?
Oh Hi there roomie....
Last time I post this video cause I'm pretty sure not a single person here is using the sp3 rotation which actually has good damage and it's the rotation that you should be using for non mutants and non energy based fights.
I'd be happy to eat my words if he turns out to be as good as some people are hyping him up to be though it really does seem unlikely. If he does turn out to be as bad as I had anticipated, please do me a favour and stop falling for every bgs simulation showcase. It shouldn't be as easy to get convinced over a few minutes of a youtube video or RoL testing
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k.
Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others.
I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
Went up a little bit
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
Rather than trying to persuade people he is better than he is… it would be more effective to talk about how soon his tune-up will be happening.
1. Bullseye: after you throw that sp1 it's very hard to screw up and lose charges unless your reaction time is not that good. That's how I've been doing that WS in ROL and so far it plays perfectly, bait two sp2s and fight's done. The only thing that could screw this up is the metas mainly power gain ones, now of course I could be wrong but I'm definitely willing to try this matchup myself and I will once he's r3. I definitely don't think it'll be as hard as you think
2. Sinister: I don't think it's really as bad as you make it sound, I've done Sinister with champs like FAM and Red Skull and the rotation is pretty much the same as with Solvarch. Bait heavy and push to sp2, and the fight usually goes pretty well, I do think however he should've used sp3 here not sp2 sp1 like he did. Again, another match up I will definitely be trying myself.
3. Dust, Domino: I agree he's not the best and he will either take long or lose some hp but the way I see Solvarch for these fights is as a last resort. We all have been screwed by luck RNG, what if your opponent didn't get a counter for your defender that's an easy win right there. If you draft a better counter you can always throw him on defense instead.
4. Enchantress: another champ where I think he used the wrong rotation, what I will be trying out is bait two sp1s and go straight to sp3 before she throws sp2 but fight has to be over after her sp2.
5. Capt. Britain: I think she will be a lot more relevant than you think and that increases Solvarch's value, not saying she's this unkillable defender but she is very tanky you have to slow play it without a counter.
I do take back the Photon and Spider Woman comments tho, Inequity is absolutely going to be a problem there. I'm still going to try both but you might be onto something.
Also, another thing is he likely won't be able to punch a rank above unless it's a mutant or a matchup where you can get all 10 energize passives so that is something worth keeping in mind. I doubt he will be this insane dual threat like Spider Woman but personally, I do think there's some value and potential there, we'll see.