Alliance Wars Discussion Thread

Hey Summoners!

We've just dropped some information on our next iteration of Alliance Wars, and this one includes some big changes to the Scoring method! Take a look at the announcement Thread and let us know if you have any questions or feedback!

http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/36645/alliance-wars-scoring-update-coming-december-13th

We've closed the last discussion thread, because it references older information that is no longer relevant. You can find that archived thread here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/31767/alliance-wars-discussion-2-0/

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DL864

ZzyzxGuy wrote: »

@Kabam Zibiit

Did y'all also make synergies work again?

Could really use a heads up about this too because that will really affect the next war's placement.

Agree can we get an answer on this

Yankeespank

DL864 wrote: »

ZzyzxGuy wrote: »

@Kabam Zibiit

Did y'all also make synergies work again?

Could really use a heads up about this too because that will really affect the next war's placement.

Agree can we get an answer on this

They already said it will be in 17.0 so it will or should be fixed on the 31st.

LeNoirFaineant

Bosley wrote: »

Kabam Zibiit wrote: »

Hey everyone, sorry about this. We did re-instate having defenders hidden in AW, but had intended to give everyone more of a heads-up before we did so. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

What the heck is wrong with you people? Do you have no one there that checks things before they're released? Issues, bugs, or just plain mistakes seem to pop up on weekly basis from changes that you haven't checked properly.

What's the reasoning behind this ? You owe us that much to tell us the truth. In my mind it's another attempt at a cash grab not enhancing any type of gameplay. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

They were always going to hide the defenders again. How is not giving notice a cash grab? Would you have prepared differently somehow if you had known?

SomeoneElse

- To explicitly award points for skilled play and proper planning.

Now that you have hidden the nodes, plan what? All we can plan for is the node boosts, which we could already do before. Picking the right attackers should be part of the strategy, but that was ruined by hiding nodes again.

- To emphasize smart defender placement as a way to deny your opponent points, not as a way for them to give you points.

This has failed. Everyone is back to use multiple Spidey, Nightcrawler and BPCW and other top tier defenders because those are the most likely champs to reduce attack bonus.

- Balance a decision for Alliances to guarantee Diversity points vs placing strong Duplicate Defenders to try and deny your opponent points.

Again, this has failed because reducing attack bonus is worth a lot more than diversity. There is a huge gap between top tier defenders and bottom tier ones. Teams choose the champions that most people have difficulty fighting. There are only a handful because most champions are not good defenders.

- To avoid the mentality of not caring about whether you live or die in an encounter because it can simply be overcome using consumables.

This is the only part that makes any sense.

In most Wars that I have done, both teams finish 100% or close to it. That means Boss Kill, Exploration and Defenders Remaining are even. Attack Bonus is the real tie breaker in most cases. Defender Divirsity is only the tie breaker in really close games.

War is still a mess. It is no fun to play, and the rewards are terrible for the time and effort it takes. The biggest deciding factor is still alliance strength, i.e. how many top tier defenders you have duped and at a high level.

I think the best way to improve war is to increase the number of champions that are viable on defense. This can be done both by balancing the champions themselves and by changing some of the nodes to favor weak defenders without being abused by the current top tier defenders.

Amonthir

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Bosley wrote: »

Kabam Zibiit wrote: »

Hey everyone, sorry about this. We did re-instate having defenders hidden in AW, but had intended to give everyone more of a heads-up before we did so. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

What the heck is wrong with you people? Do you have no one there that checks things before they're released? Issues, bugs, or just plain mistakes seem to pop up on weekly basis from changes that you haven't checked properly.

What's the reasoning behind this ? You owe us that much to tell us the truth. In my mind it's another attempt at a cash grab not enhancing any type of gameplay. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

They were always going to hide the defenders again. How is not giving notice a cash grab? Would you have prepared differently somehow if you had known?

I can't speak for the other player, and I consider this a mistake rather than a cash grab, but yes, I certainly would have placed champs differently if I had known they would be hidden this war, since it allows me to try and sneak champions into unexpected nodes, etc. Whereas before, it mattered little, because they could preview their lane and bring exactly who they needed. Their mention of when they would hide them again suggested it would be after 17.0, not two wars beforehand.

Yankeespank

They posted they had fixed this just not in this thread that’s the issue

DNA3000

Kabam Zibiit wrote: »

Hey everyone, sorry about this. We did re-instate having defenders hidden in AW, but had intended to give everyone more of a heads-up before we did so. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

Kabam really needs to do more to make the patch note process less of a side project, and more of an integrated part of the change control process.

LeNoirFaineant

Amonthir wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

Bosley wrote: »

Kabam Zibiit wrote: »

Hey everyone, sorry about this. We did re-instate having defenders hidden in AW, but had intended to give everyone more of a heads-up before we did so. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

What the heck is wrong with you people? Do you have no one there that checks things before they're released? Issues, bugs, or just plain mistakes seem to pop up on weekly basis from changes that you haven't checked properly.

What's the reasoning behind this ? You owe us that much to tell us the truth. In my mind it's another attempt at a cash grab not enhancing any type of gameplay. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

They were always going to hide the defenders again. How is not giving notice a cash grab? Would you have prepared differently somehow if you had known?

I can't speak for the other player, and I consider this a mistake rather than a cash grab, but yes, I certainly would have placed champs differently if I had known they would be hidden this war, since it allows me to try and sneak champions into unexpected nodes, etc. Whereas before, it mattered little, because they could preview their lane and bring exactly who they needed. Their mention of when they would hide them again suggested it would be after 17.0, not two wars beforehand.

Fair enough although as long as we can see the class of the defender IDK how unexpected you can make it.

LiquidButt

Micklownick wrote: »

Oh what short memories we have.

To recap, new war comes out and its 100% diversity....kabam says its here to stay so players empty their resources into less then ideal champs, but boy do we cause an uproar

They do a little bit of rejuggling, and it's 100% defender rating with a side of 100% diversity...players continue to empty their resources into less then ideal champs and we just continue to murmur back and forth while kabam says they are still making changes.

Once everyone has exhausted their resources kabam says they have managed to fix it all and they were listening to us the whole time and have changed it back to what war used to be (mostly skill and good defenders) with just a small side of 2.5% diversity....sigh...here comes a gold realm and a wave of events just in time for 6*s....

My only point is this was a rolled out series of events to increase player spending both of resources and actual money.

we just got the ole, wash, rinse, repeat treatment. your a clever clever girl kabam.

This times a million....wake up people. All they are doing is throwing out additional rewards...which granted is much needed considering the state of the game. But they still havent fixed war.

RB6942

Great....I’m so excited 🤦‍♂️. The best rewards for the most unpopular and hated part of the game by most. I’m almost afraid to see how much more mercing and piloting will be done by alliances to help insure a win.

How about some updated aq rewards, they’ve been pretty stale for a while.

New_Noob168

Rewards sound real good, but I still worry about those alliances that Pilot. I know of many of them where 2 to 3 people pilot the whole thing. Hope Kabam does something about finding these guys.

moreap1

just wondering if they 29 not 30 that mean we will be less in attack bonus as those 5 defender we won't take any atack bonus on them ??

Raganator

@Kabam Miike I don't know if this was brought up in this thread yet or not. Can you clarify how many points are available for attack bonus? In the announcement thread, the first post says that you get full attack bonus for empty nodes. However, in the second post the chart suggests that the max is 150x240 (i.e., does not account for the nodes for which no defenders are placed). Given that there are more nodes that defenders available, some clarification would be nice.

Xaris982

@Kabam Miike tell me please. Attack bonus is per node? 54 nodes so max 38880 points for 3bgs? Or you measure only the points for defenders we place? I do the maths but I can’t understand it.

TheOneAndOnly

Xaris982 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike tell me please. Attack bonus is per node? 54 nodes so max 38880 points for 3bgs? Or you measure only the points for defenders we place? I do the maths but I can’t understand it.

55 nodes so max should be 39600

Xaris982

You are right. 55 nodes. But is 55 or 50 they count?

Bassanio

@Kabam Miike There's a huge mistake in you original post.....The maximum attack bonus is 39600, not 36000.

There are 55 nodes, not 50.