Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.
Ok Miike, here we go
Check this please :
467 hits and Winter Soldier have 1/5 life yet.
You can see too his defense, even with block buff, he got smashed by Winter Soldier with ALOT OF PARRIES and some few block.
Conclusion: His attacks/defense stats and gain from buffs sucks alot.
Check this please:
588 Hits to finish with Winter Soldier? Carnage? Really? This is a joke.
Even Kamala Khan can finish him with less than 390 hits, cause his fury buffs is OK.
So, no, he doesn't even get any good in long fights.
PS: Don't say about masteries in this case, cause the Carnage guy have good one, pretty sure about that.
Please, explain me now Miike, how can i make Carnage good? Revamp him, ur know that.
Trust me Miike, a lot more than 16 players are laughing at you.
I think the only ones that dont laugh are those who spent alot of units to get him,i think they crying for what they spent to a useless champ i think he is worst than sp gwen
@Kabam Miike So what will the use of carnage will be in aw? to heal our enemies with willpower???
Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.
Don't tell us that we are playing him wrong kabam Carnage has weak defense, low health, low attack that doesn't even increase that much at all with those mutation buffs because they only stack so many , a bleed that only serves to heal opponents with willpower, and his only way to bleed are after a heavy or 3rd special. It'd be one thing if he had no limit on his genetic mutation buffs in fact that could be the easiest and yet most impactful buff to give him. You disrespected another character fans love.....with any luck you listen to the backlash and fix him. Also his sig ability doesn't even seem to work in most cases.
Clearly they tried to compensate carnage by reducing his stats and giving him buffs, but they failed to "remember" that the new combat system nerfs buff stacks into the dirt. It is completely worthless to have multi-stack buffs unless those buffs are just insanely op to make up for it, because by the time they stack it won't be op anymore... This is nothing more than the billionth time that they added something to the game without actually testing it before release.
@Kabam Miike or any mod, can we get an response on this?
As you can see, there's no place to Carnage in this game with that mechanics.
At this point I just need a response to either give me some hope or just let me know it's time to give up on Carnage. Please don't keep us hanging here. @Kabam Miike
You guys serious? Asking for a champion to be upgraded just because you have/desire/are going for him? Well if Kabam is to accede to this request, then please also upgrade Gambit, Black Bolt, Angela, Howard the Duck, Deadpool X-Force, Old Man Logan and all the other non god tier champions that I have.
If you have bothered to play heroic/master mode, you would realize how practically useless he is. If you still wanna grind for him, your call but calling for an upgrade is nonsense.
Angela is pretty damn solid with great damage. Not sure what you're talking about with her.
Agree with that. When she stacks Buffs, her Damage is bomb.
So disappointed, one of the best villains in the comics is absolute garbage in the game. Can you guys do anything right? Maybe we all just need to find another game cause this team has been producing junk for awhile now.
I'd like to say that I'm surprised at the lack of response from Kabam on the "Carnage is Very Underwhelming" front, but then I remind myself that it's Kabam, and then it makes sense. You'd think they'd want Carnage to at least be COMPETITIVE with the other champs out there, even if he doesn't necessarily TOP them...
Joe Fixit is a stronger champion than Carnage... Sad, so very sad for one of the MOST requested characters...
I'd like to say that I'm surprised at the lack of response from Kabam on the "Carnage is Very Underwhelming" front, but then I remind myself that it's Kabam, and then it makes sense. You'd think they'd want Carnage to at least be COMPETITIVE with the other champs out there, even if he doesn't necessarily TOP them...
Joe Fixit is a stronger champion than Carnage... Sad, so very sad for one of the MOST requested characters...
I think the last 2 days have been the weekend in America. Hopefully we should see some feedback today,
Carnage just doesn't have anything going for him, seeing kabam mike say that he will be good in long fights despite having low health, low block proficiency and no regen shows he is destined to remain useless. Try boost his attack with buffs and he will remain squishy while doing poor damage compared to others still or boost his block to try and make him a worse version of captain america while doing absolutely no damage
Thank you all for the feedback. We're going to take this all back to the team and make sure that they are aware. I don't think that they'll be making any hasty changes to a Champion that has just been released, but it can't hurt to let them know that you guys think that he needs a buff.
New signiture ability: While mutating regenerate up to 8% base health (based on sig level) and become immune to all debuffs except stuns. Being stunned interupts mutation.
Bump base stats to glass cannon levels
Symbiote causes attacks to have 50% reduced chance to be evaded.
Increase bleed damage
All attacks have an 8% chance to cause bleed
It would give him uses in aw as both a defender on stun immune nodes or as an attacker against all the nightcrawlers/spidermen. He would still be very counterable with all the bleed immunes and mystics currently in play.
New signiture ability: While mutating regenerate up to 8% base health (based on sig level) and become immune to all debuffs except stuns. Being stunned interupts mutation.
Bump base stats to glass cannon levels
Symbiote causes attacks to have 50% reduced chance to be evaded.
Increase bleed damage
All attacks have an 8% chance to cause bleed
It would give him uses in aw as both a defender on stun immune nodes or as an attacker against all the nightcrawlers/spidermen. He would still be very counterable with all the bleed immunes and mystics currently in play.
Perhaps he regens X% base health depending on how many stacks of bleed he has on the oppenent while mutating. That way he does not have to be awakened to get a good regen.
Or does this just mean stop crying, you've been heard.
Bingo. He even just said, no hasty changes to newly released champs. Even when they say they're working to get something released as soon as possible it takes them 3 months and still end up delaying it. He basically just told us it's staying as is for the foreseeable future.
What were these developers thinking with his bleed? It is completely useless on so many levels. Oh and when you crit and they are bleeding you get an additional 50 damage for a whopping .5 seconds. His bleed as a 5/50 is that of a 3 star, its actually embarrassing. The fact that you have to bring this to the developers attention just goes to show they didn't test any of this and if they did they were high as **** thinking that was a solid character build.. oh and for the love of god stop re using the same win animation pose for 95% of the cast. He is a villain, a psychopathic serial killer and he poses like captain america after a win. smh
What were these developers thinking with his bleed? It is completely useless on so many levels. Oh and when you crit and they are bleeding you get an additional 50 damage for a whopping .5 seconds. His bleed as a 5/50 is that of a 3 star, its actually embarrassing. The fact that you have to bring this to the developers attention just goes to show they didn't test any of this and if they did they were high as **** thinking that was a solid character build.. oh and for the love of god stop re using the same win animation pose for 95% of the cast. He is a villain, a psychopathic serial killer and he poses like captain america after a win. smh
His stance when you're fighting looks cool but his run out at the start of a match is another cookie cutter animation. They should have used one similar to beasts
Or does this just mean stop crying, you've been heard.
Bingo. He even just said, no hasty changes to newly released champs. Even when they say they're working to get something released as soon as possible it takes them 3 months and still end up delaying it. He basically just told us it's staying as is for the foreseeable future.
Not exactly. He's saying they typically don't make major changes to new Champs, but he will take it to the team. All that means is they don't change new Champs majorly. Of course, anything can happen. If the team agrees that he could use a Buff, it could happen.
If he was intended to be strong in longer fights and he's not doesn't that mean he's not working as intended?
I haven't tried him yet, so I can't comment on whether he is or not. One of two things is possible. Either he has a mechanic that takes some getting used to, or he needs some adjustments. Feedback suggests he's low all-round, but until I test him myself, I can't be sure if that's the case, or he isn't what was expected.
Thank you all for the feedback. We're going to take this all back to the team and make sure that they are aware. I don't think that they'll be making any hasty changes to a Champion that has just been released, but it can't hurt to let them know that you guys think that he needs a buff.
Please Miike, do that, show some love to player side.
Talking about to let they know, looks like the developer team are "untouchable", lol.
If they got a poor job on a character, they really need to know, of course we all know that some old champs need an upgrade on moveset/Skills/New effects, but Carnage was the newest character in the game, he have alot of potential in this game, but he got no place in AW, AQ, long fights, short fights, Act 5/4.
This is exactly the same with 12.0 update who was mencioned above, of course with less proportion because it's just for 1 champ, but like that, "no ones think Carnage is good/usable."
I don't see any post talking/showing some thing good about him, sadly.
Then @Kabam Miike , help with that question, ins't like : "He was working normally, but after a patch, the skill X stop working".
No, he already comes with all the poor things listed above, he even get a chance to work correctly, lol.
That's why we all are pissed about this situation.
Have alot of good ideas on this thread and others in General Discussion, pass to the team, say for theses guys play with Carnage and state if he works as intended.
He's not your average fighter.
On paper he seems like a bleed based damage dealer. Similar to Black panther or drax. Zero utility, only buffs and damage.
But his ramp up time and bleed generation makes him an awkward Champ to use.
And he's so fragile with no regen he's not suited to long fights because you get chipped away through block damage.
His heavy is pretty hard to land without landing a parry stun, so it's not like he was designed to be an intercept champ either.
I don't understand how some champs get a huge kit with very versatile applications and then a champ like Carnage gets released.
You can't even compare the usefulness of Carnage to drax/BP let alone champs like gwenpool/voodoo.
How can this disparity be ok.
Ya a 4* beast should not be able to easily kill a 9k 5* awakened carnage like game id. '1 fear itself' in less then 15 seconds. That is a trash hero for sure. (Fyi I did kill him in duel that fast with my beast).
I'm as disappointed as anyone about carnage being total trash but let's try to stay positive that our concerns will be heard. Stay constructive please.
I've used him in every type of fight be it short or long and against all manner of different champs.
In short fights, 95% of the fights in the game btw, he is very seriously arguably the worst champ in the game. Virtually no attack and can't even take minimal block damage.
In long fights...not really any better. His sig is completely unnoticeable. With DW and GC maxed he still does little to no damage. Even with attack buffs maxed out, spamming heavy to keep the bleed going and adding sp1,2 and 3 as they are available he does much lower than normal damage. With everything maxed out he is still significantly below average.
His bleed needs reworked. More damage and longer time. Making it heavy and sp3 activated is...just a terrible idea really. He needs to be causing bleeds with all basic attacks. He has knives and axes and swords for hands at his disposal...I mean just...seriously...that this needs to be said is really an embarrassment for the dev team.
Base stats need bumped as every single person who has used him can tell you. He starts out a fight like an 8 year old walking into a battle. No power and no ability to take a hit. In other words he isn't going to make it very far even if played with high skill.
Some regen, even small, should have been included from the start. He can regrow body parts but can't recover anything from a punch? SOME similarity to his comic abilities outside of his mechanics and overall look should have made it here. As it is, if you were to put these abilities in spider gwens body nobody would think she had been improved. I can't stress enough that this is CARNAGE!!! As evil and dangerous and menacing as a villain gets with absolutely none of that coming through in his character in this game.
Visually he is great. His basic attacks are different and interesting. His sp1 is a work of art. Sp2 is pretty cool. Sp3 should have been much more chaotic and unhinged but whatever. His heavy isn't very good but not something to cry over. All the effort of the team to make this character look menacing and dangerous paid off in spades. Seriously, congrats on that. Unfortunately it is completely undone by the pathetic abilities and stats throughout the character.
Right now he is an awesome looking punching bag. He deserves so much more. You guys have to know how many people wanted to see him and now how many people wish he hadn't even been released like this. He's an important character in the universe that hasn't been treated that way.
I completely agree carnage needs a much needed upgrade already. The idea is there, but wasn't executed properly. First off I can move past how short his additional bleeds are even with deep wounds, but everything else is way off.
First off 10 seconds to wait for muta-genesis even after waiting for 1st special is WAY TOO LONG to build up one buff. It should instant or like 3 seconds or something or even dash and hold block to lock it in. That needs to change. And 5 buffs are not even close enough. He should have minimum of 6/7 ideally he should be like venom and have 8 if you expect him to be good in Long fights.
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@Kabam Miike or any mod, can we get an response on this?
As you can see, there's no place to Carnage in this game with that mechanics.
Agree with that. When she stacks Buffs, her Damage is bomb.
yes, Fixit can heal and his SP1 bleeds are stronger than Carnage .. and Fixit can stun with SP2 and massive crits with Clubs buff
Joe Fixit is a stronger champion than Carnage... Sad, so very sad for one of the MOST requested characters...
I think the last 2 days have been the weekend in America. Hopefully we should see some feedback today,
New signiture ability: While mutating regenerate up to 8% base health (based on sig level) and become immune to all debuffs except stuns. Being stunned interupts mutation.
Bump base stats to glass cannon levels
Symbiote causes attacks to have 50% reduced chance to be evaded.
Increase bleed damage
All attacks have an 8% chance to cause bleed
It would give him uses in aw as both a defender on stun immune nodes or as an attacker against all the nightcrawlers/spidermen. He would still be very counterable with all the bleed immunes and mystics currently in play.
Perhaps he regens X% base health depending on how many stacks of bleed he has on the oppenent while mutating. That way he does not have to be awakened to get a good regen.
100% agree with that victory pose statement!!
Not exactly. He's saying they typically don't make major changes to new Champs, but he will take it to the team. All that means is they don't change new Champs majorly. Of course, anything can happen. If the team agrees that he could use a Buff, it could happen.
I haven't tried him yet, so I can't comment on whether he is or not. One of two things is possible. Either he has a mechanic that takes some getting used to, or he needs some adjustments. Feedback suggests he's low all-round, but until I test him myself, I can't be sure if that's the case, or he isn't what was expected.
Talking about to let they know, looks like the developer team are "untouchable", lol.
If they got a poor job on a character, they really need to know, of course we all know that some old champs need an upgrade on moveset/Skills/New effects, but Carnage was the newest character in the game, he have alot of potential in this game, but he got no place in AW, AQ, long fights, short fights, Act 5/4.
This is exactly the same with 12.0 update who was mencioned above, of course with less proportion because it's just for 1 champ, but like that, "no ones think Carnage is good/usable."
I don't see any post talking/showing some thing good about him, sadly.
Then @Kabam Miike , help with that question, ins't like : "He was working normally, but after a patch, the skill X stop working".
No, he already comes with all the poor things listed above, he even get a chance to work correctly, lol.
That's why we all are pissed about this situation.
Have alot of good ideas on this thread and others in General Discussion, pass to the team, say for theses guys play with Carnage and state if he works as intended.
He's not your average fighter.
On paper he seems like a bleed based damage dealer. Similar to Black panther or drax. Zero utility, only buffs and damage.
But his ramp up time and bleed generation makes him an awkward Champ to use.
And he's so fragile with no regen he's not suited to long fights because you get chipped away through block damage.
His heavy is pretty hard to land without landing a parry stun, so it's not like he was designed to be an intercept champ either.
I don't understand how some champs get a huge kit with very versatile applications and then a champ like Carnage gets released.
You can't even compare the usefulness of Carnage to drax/BP let alone champs like gwenpool/voodoo.
How can this disparity be ok.
In short fights, 95% of the fights in the game btw, he is very seriously arguably the worst champ in the game. Virtually no attack and can't even take minimal block damage.
In long fights...not really any better. His sig is completely unnoticeable. With DW and GC maxed he still does little to no damage. Even with attack buffs maxed out, spamming heavy to keep the bleed going and adding sp1,2 and 3 as they are available he does much lower than normal damage. With everything maxed out he is still significantly below average.
His bleed needs reworked. More damage and longer time. Making it heavy and sp3 activated is...just a terrible idea really. He needs to be causing bleeds with all basic attacks. He has knives and axes and swords for hands at his disposal...I mean just...seriously...that this needs to be said is really an embarrassment for the dev team.
Base stats need bumped as every single person who has used him can tell you. He starts out a fight like an 8 year old walking into a battle. No power and no ability to take a hit. In other words he isn't going to make it very far even if played with high skill.
Some regen, even small, should have been included from the start. He can regrow body parts but can't recover anything from a punch? SOME similarity to his comic abilities outside of his mechanics and overall look should have made it here. As it is, if you were to put these abilities in spider gwens body nobody would think she had been improved. I can't stress enough that this is CARNAGE!!! As evil and dangerous and menacing as a villain gets with absolutely none of that coming through in his character in this game.
Visually he is great. His basic attacks are different and interesting. His sp1 is a work of art. Sp2 is pretty cool. Sp3 should have been much more chaotic and unhinged but whatever. His heavy isn't very good but not something to cry over. All the effort of the team to make this character look menacing and dangerous paid off in spades. Seriously, congrats on that. Unfortunately it is completely undone by the pathetic abilities and stats throughout the character.
Right now he is an awesome looking punching bag. He deserves so much more. You guys have to know how many people wanted to see him and now how many people wish he hadn't even been released like this. He's an important character in the universe that hasn't been treated that way.
First off 10 seconds to wait for muta-genesis even after waiting for 1st special is WAY TOO LONG to build up one buff. It should instant or like 3 seconds or something or even dash and hold block to lock it in. That needs to change. And 5 buffs are not even close enough. He should have minimum of 6/7 ideally he should be like venom and have 8 if you expect him to be good in Long fights.