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Does Phoenix need to be buffed?
Nebula
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Phoenix's fury system is bothersome and hard to control. Against stun immune building phoenix force charges results in taking a lot of block damage. Her incinerates are weak. Her stun is non existent. Her signature requires perfect timing and you cannot use more than 7-8 charges without hitting overload to quickly. She in unusable in aw offense and is outclassed by other cosmic hitters such s Hyperion, Angela and Drax. She is supposed to be at the top but as of now she is almost as bad as Carnage.
Does Phoenix need to be buffed? 100 votes
Buff Phoenix
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71 votes
No, Phoenix is fine
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thats what a buff is
Change doesn't necessarily mean buff.
Okay, Phoenix is better than Drax. I have them both, and I'd definitely rather have Phoenix if I had to choose. The argument of "She's very strong so she should do insane damage" just doesn't work for any Marvel game. If it did work based on actual character strength, Hulk, Abomination, Wolverine, Deadpool, etc etc would be unstoppable while Hawkeye, Captain America, and Punisher would be worthless. There has to be a small range of usefulness for each character. This is already a problem since characters like Luke Cage suck, and making every character that hits hard in the comics hit hard in the game is a very bad direction to go.
The problem is it's all subjective. It's based on who you prefer. Naturally we will want our favorite Champs to be OP. The thing is, it's a game full of Superheroes and Villains. They're all strong in their own right, outside of the game.
The game won't always reflect the Comics. I actually find her to be quite useful. Some Champs take more time to build their power than others. Take Angela for example. When she came out, everyone complained. Then they saw her output when she stacks Buffs.
Carnage seems to be the latest that has people disappointed. I've been using him and I haven't drawn all formal conclusion yet, but he is quite useful with a combination of High and Specials. His Bleed stacks after firing a High and a Special. I'll have to spend more time with him before I form an opinion, but I also think one of the reasons people are upset is because they had an idea of how he should be.
From a Development perspective, it's not only preference to consider. When they create a Champ, there is overall balance and placement among other Champs to consider. It's actually quite a detached process. Of course they're aware of who we want, but in terms of Abilities, it has to have a place and a balance to it all. One could read the Comics and watch the Movies and expect a Champ to be the be-all, end-all. The problem is there is a whole other framework to consider.
Quite simply, if they buffed every Champ we liked, there would be alot less overall balance.
??? WHy would u ever pick phoenix over drax
im not saying i want her 12.0 scarlet witch. I just think she shouldn't be kamala khan and crappy iron man combined.
Not sure I can agree with that comparison. I make more use of her.
rpha'irofhghnhh im not asking for her to be sw/thor/wolverine. Just a little more practical in usage. Compare her to hyperion who can generate furies from heavys or angela who just needs to maintain her power bars. Phoenix you need to time everything perfectly in order for her to be useful.
May I ask what rank she is of yours, whether she is a four star, where you are in the game, have you finished act5/rtlol/etc?
Because I think she's better. I think Cap is bad, that doesn't mean he needs buffed. I'd like it, but at that point, many would find him OP. We have differing opinions, as do many people. Just because you think something, not everyone else has to. You can have your opinion, but don't state it as fact while you simultaneously criticize mine.
That has nothing to do with it. I have all 3 you mentioned. She's not the same as IP and Embiggen. Not by far. She takes time to build Fury. Get to 5+ and she's great. 10 and she hits like a truck. I think you're exaggerating.
She's not that bad. She has way better Fury, slightly worse Regeneration, but overall higher attack by quite a bit.
I do not think that I am. Every other cosmic (except for Carnage and kamala) are easier to use. Her sig ability is next to useless as 80% of the time you go into overload before you die. Her incinerates are very weak and her stun is next to useless. And I am starting to think that you are Websnatcher.
Exactly. She is very hard to control, but still good. To start the fight, she's not good. As time goes on, though, she becomes a wrecking ball. She averages out to be pretty good in my opinion.
She's good for like 10 seconds. And have you seen her signature? You need to time your DEATH in order for it to work...
You have very bad luck if you get Overload every time you're almost dead. Either fight better and fend them off a little longer so you can regain the Phoenix Charges, or stop swinging and let Right of the Phoenix trigger before Overcharge. Don't complain because you've had a string of bad timing.
It doesn't take skill to time that. 95% of her gameplay, she's got a Phoenix Charge or two. Again, let yourself get hit another couple times to trigger it or fight better to keep them off of you until you regain the charges. She may only be good for 10 seconds, but she's bad for only 10 as well. That meets in the middle to make an average champ. Complain about bad characters like Ant-Man or Black Bolt needing buffed, not an average-good champ like Phoenix.
Angela= Up to 3 buffs in Fury or Precision or Armor Up by controlling your power bar
Drax = Chop away to gain powerful furies and inflicts devastating bleeds
Hyperion= stand still build you power. USe l1 to apply powerful bleeds. Use one heavy to get 1-5 furies. l2 to stun and armor break. l3 if you want to regen/cosmic charge. Simple to use, but quite effective.
Sym Spidey= Use l2 for major damage, and chop away for high crits and weakness
Phoenix= Parry. heavy. parry. heavy. parry. heavy. parry heavy. build to 10 furies. use l1. quick, get in to apply incinerates. Oh, I'm hitting 10 furies gotta get in their and get armor break in. Parry again. Armor break. Oh, need another armor break. parry, parry, parry. Oh ****, I wanna regen gotta kill myself now. And then the parry heavy continues. Ooh gotta l2. Yay, 8 charges. now gotta kill myself. *stand still trying to get smashes* c'mon,c'mon just hit me already. And then by the time the ai hits you, your in overload and regened absolutely nothing.
May I please see your in game name bc I want to know who is talking before I take them seriously.
Okay, many champs aren't good for high-level content, but there are so many like Luke Cage that aren't even good for low-level content. When we complain about average champs needing buffed, people get mad that actual BAD champs don't get buffed. Like this 13.0 update where Civil Warrior was buffed and Ant-Man wasn't. People got really mad because somewhat good champs are getting buffed before bad ones.
ant man serves his purpose in alliance war defense. phoenix cannot even do that. at this point you just seem like you want to argue with anyone who states otherwise.
Hahaha. I'm CrusherOfDreams. I don't have to have beaten 5.2 to have a valid opinion lol. Phoenix isn't great, but she's not that bad either.
You're the one arguing. I said that she's really not too bad. I like her, you don't. That's fine. Many need buffed more than her. Ant-Man isn't better than her. If you think so, sorry, I can't help you.
I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid. Phoenix isn't great; she's one step above abom and gwen I'll give you that. But there are multiple threads to buff them and when Phoenix was originally released many wanted her buffed, but then Kabam closed it.