Archangel nerf/bug fix

Kobster84Kobster84 Member Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★
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In the 18.1 patch notes it states that archangel will no longer be able to stun stun immune champs
But it also said the bug allowed his stun to bypass black panther civil wars reflect stun are they making it so when neurotoxin expires black panther will reflect the stun

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  • FluffyFluffy Member Posts: 446 ★★
    I did a search for Pigeon Effect...I didn't find any other threads.
  • DaleManguDaleMangu Member Posts: 48 ★
    Hopefully they compensate for this nerf
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Member Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★
    I think a rank down ticket would do but it depends on if this thing with black panther civil war goes through
  • Darknrahl2Darknrahl2 Member Posts: 38 ★
    So from what I read in the long discussion thread BPCW will reflect the stun back to AA if BPCW does not have any other neurotoxins on him. If BPCW has another neurotoxin on him, then BPCW's ability accuracy would be suppressed due to the neurotoxin that is still on him while stunned. That is what I read and interpreted from Kabam Mike's response in another thread.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,411 ★★★★
    Well you clearly state here that right now an expiring neuro should not trigger reflect stun.
    However currently if you hit them at the same time it will be reflected.
    Also admitting it shouldnt happen. As the stun is not caused by contact.
    But not saying if they will or wont fix it. If they wanna make sure AA stun behaves properly they need to fix this too. It should not allow reflect stun in any circumsrance.....
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,814 Guardian
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    If there is still a Neurotoxin on the Black Panther (Civil War) while he is stunned, it will still reduce his Ability Accuracy, and can still bypass the Reflective Stun. However, if his Ability Accuracy is not reduced, and an Armor Up is active, then he can reflect it back.

    Now, since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit.

    If how you're describing the implementation is true, then this would seem to imply that any stun triggered on BPCW will reflect onto his opponent as long as the stun triggers at approximately the same time as contact is made. If that is true, this doesn't just affect AA. It sounds like it would also affect Yellowjacket: if you attack BPCW with YJ and a biosting expires on BPCW while you are attacking him, you could be stunned even though YJ can't stun via contact at all.

    How can Kabam be not sure whether this is something they'd want to keep? This seems just as bad of a bug as AA's passive stun.
  • VTA92VTA92 Member Posts: 374 ★★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    If there is still a Neurotoxin on the Black Panther (Civil War) while he is stunned, it will still reduce his Ability Accuracy, and can still bypass the Reflective Stun. However, if his Ability Accuracy is not reduced, and an Armor Up is active, then he can reflect it back.

    Now, since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit.

    So what I just read was BPCW’s reflect stun is bugged against AA’s neurotoxin stun. Reason being the stun is not applied by contact, therefore should not proc the reflect stun, but you are going to leave that in game and decide in the future if you want to leave it that way or take it out. There should be no, “minor instances”, it should not happen at all.

    Why not wait until you have everything sorted out and fixed instead of nerfing AA only to create a new bug. These so called “fixes” sound like they are hydra. Cut one off, two more grow back. Smh....
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,182 ★★★★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    it should only happen in very minor cases

    Kinda like stunning on a debuff immune/stun immune node?

  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,105 ★★★★★
    phillgreen wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    it should only happen in very minor cases

    Kinda like stunning on a debuff immune/stun immune node?

    that should never happen
  • PushPush Member Posts: 45 ★
    If you hit into a stunned BPCW and an armor procs, if often reflects back. Even though the contact is not what caused the stun, you get punished.
  • GwendolineGwendoline Member Posts: 945 ★★★
    Push wrote: »
    If you hit into a stunned BPCW and an armor procs, if often reflects back. Even though the contact is not what caused the stun, you get punished.

    Very true. Right now that happens with AA but also with YJ.
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    If there is still a Neurotoxin on the Black Panther (Civil War) while he is stunned, it will still reduce his Ability Accuracy, and can still bypass the Reflective Stun. However, if his Ability Accuracy is not reduced, and an Armor Up is active, then he can reflect it back.

    Now, since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit.

    If how you're describing the implementation is true, then this would seem to imply that any stun triggered on BPCW will reflect onto his opponent as long as the stun triggers at approximately the same time as contact is made. If that is true, this doesn't just affect AA. It sounds like it would also affect Yellowjacket: if you attack BPCW with YJ and a biosting expires on BPCW while you are attacking him, you could be stunned even though YJ can't stun via contact at all.

    How can Kabam be not sure whether this is something they'd want to keep? This seems just as bad of a bug as AA's passive stun.

    I think it's more that they don't know if the work involved is something they want to do. It sounds like a difficult fix. The stun has to act like a stun in most cases, but not in all. They need to make it a special stun and then code the reaction from some nodes and champs like it's a normal stun and the reactions from other champs like it's not.
  • nameplasnameplas Member Posts: 240 ★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    If there is still a Neurotoxin on the Black Panther (Civil War) while he is stunned, it will still reduce his Ability Accuracy, and can still bypass the Reflective Stun. However, if his Ability Accuracy is not reduced, and an Armor Up is active, then he can reflect it back.

    Now, since Black Panther's Reflect Stun should only activate if a Stun is activated during contact (you're attacking him, or he's attacking you like in a parry), it should only happen in very minor cases, like if you attack when the stun from Neurotoxin is activating. This is also something that we are looking at for the future, as it might not be something that we want to keep, since it's not technically a Stun that is being activated by the hit.

    Lol why don't you just admit you're gonna bring infinity thanos again and again in the EQ and don't want him to get stunned? It's simple miike
  • BmanBman Member Posts: 284 ★★
    Simple fix is put it back the way it was. Why change it? Why change it now after it’s been this way forever is the more important question. They keep saying they won’t make changes to champs without letting us know 1st, but that’s exactly what they did. AA was confirmed working as intended until this update. All of the sudden it was a bug. Communication 1-2 months ago when they started working on fixing this would’ve made the fallout a whole lot less! Communication is key to any business!!
  • LosspikLosspik Member Posts: 253 ★★
    So they saying that the ability to stun stun immune when neurotoxins expire will effect their ability to make new challenging content.

    I fully understand why this may need to happen as we need new content but don't cover it up by calling it a 'bug' meant to be fixed months ago when a mod in Jan confirmed its not a bug.

    I have personally taken my 5* AA to 5/65 with the intention of using him for 100% LOL, this change will be a problem in LOL where stuns are extremely limited & this interaction was a big part of the reason for me ranking him up.

    They should issue champion specific rank down tickets preferably only 5* RDTs & only to people with 4/55 or 5/65 AAs.
  • MRMOJO77MRMOJO77 Member Posts: 215 ★
    Hey kabam miike. Thus issue was brought up back in January and kabam wolf said it was working as intended. So was it or wasnt it? Or is that just a generic answer you guys give to everyrhing? If wolf didnt lie then this IS a game mechanics change. Not a bug fix.
  • ChickenChicken Member Posts: 160 ★
    Why not leave it to where it his stun still works the same but change it to where it acts like a debuff. That way he can still stun stun immune champs which is something that made him unique.
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  • DaleManguDaleMangu Member Posts: 48 ★
    https://theclassadvantage.com/2018/06/01/archangel-precedence-slippery-slopes/
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