Alliance Wars Season 3 Discussion Thread

Kabam Miike · 2018-06-27T18:00:22+00:00

<span style="color:darkorange">Summoners! We've just posted a list of Adjustments coming to Alliance Wars Season 3. <a href="http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/77098/alliance-wars-season-3-start-date-and-adjusments/" rel="nofollow">Check out the post here.</a> You've probably got questions, so ask…

Kabam Miike

Summoners! We've just posted a list of Adjustments coming to Alliance Wars Season 3. Check out the post here. You've probably got questions, so ask away!

Remember, Season 3 starts on July 11th!

UPDATE: Summoners,

As many of you have reported, we are currently experiencing some unexpected hardware and software issues. This is causing many of you to experience limited access to the game, as well as sub par performance in game.

While we continue to investigate the issues and identify solutions, we will be delaying the start of Alliance Wars Season 3.

At this time, we do not have a timeline for when we will be launching Season 3, but want to ensure that we have time to work to resolve any interactions that are causing problems on iOS devices before starting the next competitive season.

We apologize for the delay, and appreciate your patience. We will update you all as soon as we have more information on these issues.

Comments

Joey0480

Good call on removing diversity

NoOnexRO

The seasons will decrease in length.
The fights needed to received prizes at the end of the season is unchanged?
5... (?)

NevvB

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

Kabam Miike

NoOnexRO wrote: »

The seasons will decrease in length.
The fights needed to received prizes at the end of the season is unchanged?
5... (?)

Yes, because now that the Seasons are shorter, you will have more opportunities to change Alliances during the Off Season, but we also still wanted to ensure that we're not allowing Alliance hopping, or abuse of Alliance hopping.

Kabam Miike

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

hurricant

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

yes they lowered rewards as per the post

Losspik

So just to clarify you guys have removed diversity points so we free to place as many duplicates of Champs with no penalty?

hurricant

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

Kabam Miike

Losspik wrote: »

So just to clarify you guys have removed diversity points so we free to place as many duplicates of Champs with no penalty?

This is correct, but keep in mind that the Meta of the Game has changed a lot since we introduced Defender Diversity, and players have become pretty accustomed to many of the "top defenders" and have counters at the ready! This also does not mean that Diversity won't return in a future season.

TheBaldAvenger

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

They are counting on it

Acanthus

The buff MMX needed to get rank1 again. 10 new OP defenders on every group every 2 weeks. Yay

ASV27

like the shorter season but the price to complete the maps just quadrupled. No more free fights and harder nodes.

Kabam Miike

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

ASV27

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

You answered your own question.

NevvB

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

I will guarantee everyone from master - p2 will still need 100% exploration.

Except now we will just have to spend more.

blindside493

@Kabam Miike literally making nodes more difficult, while now encouraging the straight placement of all the hardest defenders by removing diversity. Straight money grabs. When you say you want to end the 100% exploration of maps

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

of course they will. Kabam has made alliance wars into such a mess that anyone in plat and up will still be 100% each map. Kabam knows this. So why not make nodes harder, while increasing each fights difficulties since you'll no longer have the diversity fight. Get people to buy more potions. thanks @Kabam Miike .

JimmyJohnJones

Will these changes happen before season starts so we can try them out?

winniewinwin

So basically, the people who had to rank in champions for diversity up to this point are left at an insane disadvantage, while people with stacked rosters are given an insane advantage. They could place 10 Iron Man IW and 10 Domino in a row. What about those people who had to rank up for diversity?? Any thoughts on maybe rank down ticket or two? Also, what can be done to curb the placing of every hardest champion in a row?

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Kabam Miike

ASV27 wrote: »

like the shorter season but the price to complete the maps just quadrupled. No more free fights and harder nodes.

So, with the exception of those Nodes on Challenger and Expert that we mentioned, we haven't made any other nodes harder. The new Nodes are meant to make things more difficult, but will also be visible from the get go, so Attackers are able to bring in champions to specifically counter whatever Champion they see there.

SWGOH_MosDef

which AW tiers fight on which maps @Kabam Miike ?

NinjAlan

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

If the rewards are halved, but there's now an extra 2 weeks between the seasons, this would actually net less rewards over the same length of time

Raganator

Alright, here is your constructive feedback. Is the amounts of units, boosts, and revives seriously not high enough on the expert map that you have to boost the nodes even more? You flat out know that people will 100% no matter what (required for seasons). BG pointed out in his stream last night that by his estimation, an AW in T1/Masters costs the alliances probably a combined 50k units. Not enough huh? Kabam doesn't punish those people who blatantly cheat (unit fraud or piloting) and let them get the same rewards that would have gotten otherwise (i.e., promote the behavior). I can only assume that the next move is to remove health pots from the glory store, boosts from the loyalty store, etc., and simply shift all of these to the unit store and/or increase the inclusion even more in your "offers". Kabam keeps rolling out changes in an attempt to perfect AW (diversity, no diversity, diversity, no diversity - count defender kills, don't count defenders kills, only count some defender kills), but it feels like you are getting further and further from a target that people (other than Kabam's pockets) will actually enjoy.

It's laughable to claim that 100% should not be the norm. Kabam clearly knows that is not an option if you want to compete.

Manup456

Ok let me get this straight rewards are less and AW will be harder because people will only bring top defenders now? All the people who spent time and money ranking champs for diversity are screwed? So this benefits the users in what way?

Narcuul

Guess I will just have to wait till my bad luck allows me to get the "top defender" counters now that autoblock+parry is the new MD vs Dexterity.

Hulksmasshh

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Losspik wrote: »

So just to clarify you guys have removed diversity points so we free to place as many duplicates of Champs with no penalty?

This is correct, but keep in mind that the Meta of the Game has changed a lot since we introduced Defender Diversity, and players have become pretty accustomed to many of the "top defenders" and have counters at the ready! This also does not mean that Diversity won't return in a future season.

That makes it real tough on rank up decisions especially with many people getting their 2nd and 3rd R5 5*s soon. This “diversity or no diversity” system can’t keep flip flopping around because that will screw a lot of people up. Also, diversity has been great for strategy in the past season. It was a thoughtful decision to decide whether or not to place for diversity, guessing how much diversity the opponent placed, etc. “Spreadsheet wars” as you guys called it was an integral part of planning and rewarded those who put in the most effort. Wars are decided by defender kills, not diversity. The tie-breaker effect it was having was working well. Just my thoughts on this change.

Mhykke

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

Couldn’t you achieve the same result by removing item use completely?

Kabam Miike

JimmyJohnJones wrote: »

Will these changes happen before season starts so we can try them out?

Yes, we are currently deciding which day to put these into play (it will have to be after the next update, but we want to do it ASAP to give you as many Wars to practice as possible). We'll let you guys know as soon as we have an exact day, but wanted to get this information up as soon as we could.

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blindside493

SmokingSurfer wrote: »

People are going to rage after you make us rank up poor champions just for diversity, and now you take it away. Any comment? I'm excited for the increased difficulty.

Another awesome swerve by Kabam...spend 2 seasons touting the significance of diversity. and it truly did make the difference in wars. so ofc we ranked up champs to use on defense if no one else had them. Now, they are useless.