Alliance Wars Season 3 Discussion Thread

Summoners! We've just posted a list of Adjustments coming to Alliance Wars Season 3. Check out the post here. You've probably got questions, so ask away!

Remember, Season 3 starts on July 11th!

UPDATE: Summoners,

As many of you have reported, we are currently experiencing some unexpected hardware and software issues. This is causing many of you to experience limited access to the game, as well as sub par performance in game.

While we continue to investigate the issues and identify solutions, we will be delaying the start of Alliance Wars Season 3.

At this time, we do not have a timeline for when we will be launching Season 3, but want to ensure that we have time to work to resolve any interactions that are causing problems on iOS devices before starting the next competitive season.

We apologize for the delay, and appreciate your patience. We will update you all as soon as we have more information on these issues.

Comments

Vale84

you literally made void 1 year of account progression with a single decision, without even preparing players for it. Along that, you even reserve the right to re-change said decision at any point in the game.

Basically 99% of the deals, units bought, and resources acquired the last year were made useless. Which means you literally scammed people of their money selling said deals.

Said manuveurs can be sued. Refunds are being issued, and top tier allies won't be looking at this from afar. This is serious for more than one reason:

1) You FORCED diversity just to say "hey nvm, go back to starting point"
2)You are literally stating that you are making changes cause people don't die enough for your standards, which is basically admitting you want to skyrocket war costs
3)You are cutting not only diversity rankups, but also Mystic rankups at once, factually killing 90% of every player defence.
4)You offer no way to follow your changes of mind if not spending more on new defenders we can't rank up anyways.
5)You won't refund resources used in things which are now useless.
6)Every dollar spent to follow your changes to the game has been made wasted and useless.

You abused your own playerbase, scammed it, and on top you reserve the right to do so reintroducing diversity at any time. Which completely breaks your ToS, goes completely against customer care, and factually put you in the Red Flag status for every greyzone company in the Stores.

There will be repercussions far greater than 12.0. As stated, several ten thousands of dollars are being refunded, allies are disbanding despite being in masters cause sick of your progression curve being unreachable, Apple and Android are collecting proof and reports of your underhanded behaviour. You're in for a treat you won't like.

That said, as a top player, this is the last straw even for me. You robbed me of 1 year progression and even my own alliance in 24 hrs past season 2 end. I think it's pretty much a world record for worst company in gaming history. Well done.

WOK

Reading the consistency in the majority of complaints posted and the official response given regarding those complaints, I believe point towards two choices needing to be made by the player base
The method of choice is irrelevant, what's important is the "class" solidarity needed to get into "action" and stand against being defrauded and exploited.
You would hope that these sort of shady practices would be extinct from companies that reached out to a global market.
Pity to see that isn't the case here.

DrBruceWayne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxq-H1VJ1Uw
These two basically sum this update up.

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Brainimpacter

So wheres the compensation for screwing over our defence teams AGAIN?

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Stingerbk

I just hope this time, the player base is smarter than to fall for a "we are sorry, here is some compensation " nonsense, we need them to listen up and fix things not a bunch of compensation.

RJ03

"Aspect of Evolution" what node is that? can someone explain to me..

gahrling

RJ03 wrote: »

"Aspect of Evolution" what node is that? can someone explain to me..

I think it might be related to a phase that uncollected Thanos had - bleed armor & autoblock

Yarah_Dahile

Heartless wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps
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100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

Then if you are going back to that mode, make the champions not locked for use in quests.

The argument from kabam that war meant to be quick and you’d get your champs back.

Thank goodness kabam doesn’t hand out a $1 each time it back tracks on its word. I’d have a Lamborghini!

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Voluntaris

I highly recommend Kabam adjust the AW Season 3 start time to close to the end of July and place the changes to AW Season 3 on hold for adjustments to yesterday's blind siding adjustment (removal of defender diversity and the silly idea that most top tiers shouldn't be 100%'ing the map).

Xthea9

Whatever I say it won’t matter, you identified the gaps and pushed the changes for next season, in a way , it doesn’t hurt at all, my only suggestion is please keep that in mind you don’t derail from your objective which is in this case I don’t remember what objective you are following, is it players should have more fun or something else, cause if your matchmaking strategy is same every change for me is same , as I can’t win a war when 5/65 champs swipes off your defense even if they make mistakes the health pool is too big with the damage output my defense which is still 5/50 champs can’t even stand.

Honestly if the matchmaking is balanced we really don’t need harder content, it’s like you are matching a under weight champion with an over weight champion in the ring and no matter how skilled the underweight champion is after few fights he is going to get KO.

Fix the basics of this game , you will see the changes you bring in will have more usefulness.

Just sharing my voice.

TheKiryu

ITEM FREE AWs!!!

Hi all. Im sure all of you are aware about the upcoming changes in Aw. You should also be aware that Kabam has made a point that they will not offer any rank down tickets or anything of the sort.
Lastly lets not forgot how Kabam messed up out season rewards by nerfing aw crystals we get as part of season rewards.

Therefore i strongly believe it is time we as a group make an organised stand to show what we think about everything that is going on in game in regards of aw. Please do take
Your time and read through my suggestion.

We stop using items in AW - period. Not a single health potion or revive.

Reasons why this can work and is perfectly ethical way of showing our stand.

•At start of each war management of opposing alliances agree on item use free war - no colluding
•During the war both sides send in screen recordings live time proving no items are beeing used throughout the war. - videos are hard to fake therefore both sides get reassurance that fight is fair.
•It would still be skill based fair war in accordance with *fair competition* simply taking out money aspect of the war.
•Alliance who would make further in map would win (exactly what kabam wanted) but both teams would simply save themselves some $
•No one is forced into this, and both parties can simply decline the proposal at start of war.
•Should alliance agree and break the agreement afterwards they would face huge community backlash and would simply be excluded from having this option by beeing added to something like *blacklist*

To sum it up - no colluding, best alliance still win, making a stand in civilised and effective manner by hitting kabam where it hurts - their profits

SgtSlaughter78

This motivated me to check back and see how much I’ve spent on his game in the last 18 months. I’m ashamed and embarrassed to admit that it’s over £7k. Those little single deals and purchases sure add up!

Now, that doesn’t make me a whale, but it does make me someone who contributes to the overall revenue ‘take’.

And as someone who has up until now contributed I can assuredly say: Not one pence more.

I genuinely cannot believe how badly run things are and how little regard you guys have for your player base when your game requires such an investment both in financial terms and time.

Thank you for the previous 18 months (and for freeing up some much needed spare time).

All the best and I hope your decisions don’t come to impact the people who work for you lower down the chain and have bills to pay and families to support.

BenLucas

Dont want Rank down tickets, that perpetuates these changes and allows this terrible “iteration” to remain in place

richo82

I understand the direction your taking, but the alliances will still push for 100% exploration, especially if that is what is determining the win.
The attack bonus system is floored as it reduces visibility of what will be a clear win or obvious loss.
Last war my alliance only gained 6000 attack bonus above our opponent even though we had 44 defender kills to their 1. Now that reflection of skill, champ availability or whatever should count to a larger part of the determination of a win.
At least before the attack bonus system was introduced there was transparency to when a war was out of reach and a decision could be made to cut the losses and not continue to use items for no benefit.

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Chill510

Why does Kabam make it more complicated than it has to be?
@Kabam Miike if the purpose of diversity was to be a tiebreaker, then why not just make it the official tiebreaker. This can easily be done by not counting any diversity points towards victory at all unless their is an actual tie. That way alliances place whatever defense they want and in the off chance their is a tie....then both alliances will be expecting the team with best diversity to win. No surprises. But theirs no loss of points for now focusing on diversity.

The combination of slightly harder nodes and diversity as the official tiebreaker would be the only change needed to AW. Instead you guys opted to completely remove it and change the meta of the game mode all over again. Causing a big uprise.

Narcuul

I am honestly trying to decide if you guys just do not care about the decisions you make and how it will impact the player community by and large, or if the decisions that are being made are just not well thought through. If it is the latter, then I would suggest you guys creating some kind of open forum where these kind of ideas can be introduced without the declaration of "this is happening, get ready" to prevent this kind of backlash.

A game like this evolves as time goes on, true, but the way it is being forced upon us with all of your recent decisions is kind of staggering.

For the longest time wars were littered with mystic defenders, primarily because of the way MD and Dexterity masteries interacted. You seemed to think this was a bad idea, so you introduced diversity. To further drive home this point, you introduced blade, the be all and end all counter to the worst defenders around, mystics, at that point in the game.

Now, you are moving towards defenders that Blade has no advantage against, and finally are listening to all the rampant complaints about the MD/Dexterity interaction and modifying it. You did always say you were not going to nerf Blade, instead, you are just removing his usefulness from war. To further this along, you are removing a feature in diversity which you so highly, highly touted as being so important so we did not have wars fighting against the same opponent time and time again.

So while for now, the newest top defenders are still relatively scarce compared to older champions, we wont see them in the mass numbers as the old mystic defenders, but what about in 6 months, are you going to bring back diversity as a way to be the hero and save us all from battlegroups full of the worst characters to fight? Then all the resources people spent to rank up battelgroups full of IMIW and Medusa strictly for defense are now wasted as those characters sit on our bench, unused.

JRock808

Chill510 wrote: »

Why does Kabam make it more complicated than it has to be?
@Kabam Miike if the purpose of diversity was to be a tiebreaker, then why not just make it the official tiebreaker. This can easily be done by not counting any diversity points towards victory at all unless their is an actual tie. That way alliances place whatever defense they want and in the off chance their is a tie....then both alliances will be expecting the team with best diversity to win. No surprises. But theirs no loss of points for now focusing on diversity.

The combination of slightly harder nodes and diversity as the official tiebreaker would be the only change needed to AW. Instead you guys opted to completely remove it and change the meta of the game mode all over again. Causing a big uprise.

Make diversity worth 1 point. The whole thing. Whoever has the highest gets 1 point. Instant tie breaker with zero impact on the actual outcome.

RJ03

gahrling wrote: »

RJ03 wrote: »

"Aspect of Evolution" what node is that? can someone explain to me..

I think it might be related to a phase that uncollected Thanos had - bleed armor & autoblock

What you mean? anyone knows more about this node? "Aspect of Evolution"?

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World Eater

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

"The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration."

If that is the goal, why does the map demand 98%-100% exploration to kill the boss?

Never mind the increased difficulty and poor way this has been communicated to your customers.

I’m glad I bailed on any competitive play in this game this year. It’s not worth the time and energy & Kabam certainly doesn’t deserve any of my $$$$. There has been a poor vision for the future of this game dating back to March 2017 (12.0).

Jac094

blindside493 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Maximus_Spankerson wrote: »

Do you have a legend for all the buffs? What is "Dismay" for instance

I will talk to the team about getting the list of Buff Descriptions for newer nodes that players might be less familiar with, but in the meantime, this is Dismay:

"Whenever the Attacker loses their highest achieved Combo in a fight, they gain a Degeneration Debuff that deals damage every second equal to {1} times the lost Combo."

This is basically the "Don't lose your Combo" Buff.

no, this is the "those buggy evade champs, sometimes ridiculous power gain champs that will catch you, will certainly kill you node". Or "when you don't proc dex and domino hits you, now you degen" node

And what about node 27? Basically the "you can't block an attack or you die node" or "better lose your combo cause it will guarantee less block damage"?

Werewrym

Jac094 wrote: »

blindside493 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Maximus_Spankerson wrote: »

Do you have a legend for all the buffs? What is "Dismay" for instance

I will talk to the team about getting the list of Buff Descriptions for newer nodes that players might be less familiar with, but in the meantime, this is Dismay:

"Whenever the Attacker loses their highest achieved Combo in a fight, they gain a Degeneration Debuff that deals damage every second equal to {1} times the lost Combo."

This is basically the "Don't lose your Combo" Buff.

no, this is the "those buggy evade champs, sometimes ridiculous power gain champs that will catch you, will certainly kill you node". Or "when you don't proc dex and domino hits you, now you degen" node

And what about node 27? Basically the "you can't block an attack or you die node" or "better lose your combo cause it will guarantee less block damage"?

Yeah that's node sucks... We will only be able to fight it with like Iceman or LC

BronxHugeth

It's basically "Bait and Switch" that Kabam has done. Easy solution. Call your banks or credit cards and look for refunds for your purchases going back to Sept. 2017 when they introduced "Diversity". Most, if not all, purchases from that point were directly influenced by trying to maximize diversity and gaining new champs. Only way to make Kabam wake up is to hit them in the pocket. I'm sure if the entire player base did this, they would start to realize.

Greywarden

Kabam Miike wrote: »

hurricant wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

NevvB wrote: »

So you made the nodes harder, any changes in rewards?

The rewards have not changed (aside from Season rewards being halved to match the change in length). This is because Alliances were still finding these Maps far too easy. The goal of these changes is to put an end to the near 100% of wars ending in 100% Exploration.

what's wrong with 100% exploration? people will continue to pay for 100% you know that right?

100% exploration should be a rare instance, and if achieved, should be helping to decide the winner of a War. It should not be a common occurrence for both Alliances to be able to hit 100%, and then the deciding factor becomes Attacker Bonus points.

Only it won't be rare. I'm sure if you have insights to this data you'll see that anybody in any platinum rank or Master will always 100% these new maps so wins will be decided by attack bonus. For the majority of wars that is exactly what has decided a win vs. a loss as it should be. Why shouldn't the group that performed the same action with less deaths be the victor?

All you've done is made it more expensive to 100% wars which will be done 100% of the time in the upper ranks.

ASV27

It really sucks that they waited until after everyone got the season 2 rewards and ranked another r5 before telling of these changes.