If this is just a summoner appreciation, it's fine and appreciated. 100%. Thank you.
If this is supposed to be a compensation package for the months of extreme issues, that would be very bad imo. It doesn't do enough to compensate for 19/overheating/frequent outages/bugs.
Agreed if this is just appreciation then by all means awesome! Based on what Mike said, however, I suspect this is part of the "compensation"
Yes, the Summoner Appreciation week and the included Summoner Appreciation Gift are what we've been referring to in discussions about compensation.
Why is it that we always talk about not having any gold. You guys include gold in deals that we have to spend money or units on but you cant bring back the gold realms during the summoner appreciation week. We dont need potions like we need gold. Potions dont help me level my guys. You guys know that gold is still tough to come by so that is why you are not offering gold realms. A Summoners Appreciation week should include the gold realms.
I could ask why the gold realms are not on during summoner week but we know it will never get answered.
@Kabam Miike Just incase you guys forgot. In Jobs we usually get raises to help support cost of living and our life. You guys actually do everything in reverse. You seem to take away from deals and rewards and think people don't pay attention. Deals from years ago cost more and you get less and that goes with summoner week as well.
If you want to say that your boosting gold, battle chips etc by 20% to make up for it, well you did that in weeks 2, 3 and 4 before but who's counting right.
Also this experience boost for everyone that is already at level 60 and still playing your game, we get nothing. EXP should convert into something else like another 5% in boost BC and gold.
Is it that difficult to spell it out clearly, and not mix the compensation that IS needed for all the Summoners that lost wars, quests, and couldn't do arena grinds, not to mention events, away from the "Summoner appreciation" week, which is downsized by 3 WEEKS going by last year's "Summoner appreciation" MONTH?
So very disappointing, and, unfortunately, it seems this is the norm these days.
They’re not gonna respond for the rest of the weekend, be sure of that. Just be ready to come out in full force when they inevitably have to address this firestorm. Let’s hope the forums don’t overheat.
Btw, if you wanna take a look at Prof. Hoff’s vid and his take on all this, he’s a fairly reasonable guy and it might be worth a watch. He made some points I definitely agreed with.
Many folks’ usernames speak to their race. When they don’t, it’s because they’re incomprehensible or stupid, gibberish names.
If only I could think of an example of a game or forum handle that seemed race-neutral, while not being random or meaningless.
I know, @Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg, which is Latin for "I'm choking on an olive pit please strike my back with a firm hand." The fjg is apparently also gender neutral.
Many folks’ usernames speak to their race. When they don’t, it’s because they’re incomprehensible or stupid, gibberish names.
I know, @Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg, which is Latin for "I'm choking on an olive pit please strike my back with a firm hand." The fjg is apparently also gender neutral.
Guys please do not derail the thread that is our best hope at getting the notice of Kabam... Do not give them even one reason to close this thread. Ignore the trolls...
Stop responding to the troll. You’re making things worse. You’re not going to convince him of anything. You and everyone that’s sensible already knows he’s wrong. You’re wasting your time talking to a brick wall; everything you say bounces off it right back at you, and that’s the only way it can cause harm. Just stop throwing stuff at it and it’ll have no choice but to sit there.
Speaking of brick walls... How about that kabam, huh?
Ps the person who made the list knew it was too much for compensation, i see that at least can be used as a measuring of how out of touch or not what they give is.
New Doug and I are starting a revolution. Cookies and juice will be available. Also available will be a plausible solution to this problem with a strong history of success. I’ve pushed it on recruiting chats before with some success but never here. It seems inappropriate in that I’d get the almighty ban. I’m BirdReynolds on Line and in game obviously. Look me up. This has worked before (drop rates) and it can and will work again. @khehmist@DarthPhal@DrZola you three in particular strike me as game.
That list is entirely unreasonable to expect to hand out to everyone.
It may be unreasonable but it's not free stuff Miike said compensation isn't about free stuff it's about making up for what we lost... That's what we lost...
That list is entirely unreasonable to expect to hand out to everyone.
It may be unreasonable but it's not free stuff Miike said compensation isn't about free stuff it's about making up for what we lost... That's what we lost...
If you're not playing, how are you losing it? It's not easy to gauge. They can't calculate what people might have earned.
That list is entirely unreasonable to expect to hand out to everyone.
It may be unreasonable but it's not free stuff Miike said compensation isn't about free stuff it's about making up for what we lost... That's what we lost...
If you're not playing, how are you losing it? It's not easy to gauge. They can't calculate what people might have earned.
Good point then they should base it off different areas OBVIOUSLY someone who isn't Uncollected shouldn't get Uncollected rewards... Prestige is also another good way imo
@Namelez dont pay attention to other's, tell me what is your take on the provided link
Well I think whoever tried to do a certain difficulty they should get the 100% rewards from it... If I done any arena I want the milestones from said arena... If I tried Heroic Master and Uncollected I want those rewards same for Micro Realms 🙂
That list is entirely unreasonable to expect to hand out to everyone.
It may be unreasonable but it's not free stuff Miike said compensation isn't about free stuff it's about making up for what we lost... That's what we lost...
If you're not playing, how are you losing it? It's not easy to gauge. They can't calculate what people might have earned.
I routinely hit 1-10% in 5* arena and try for either ranked rewards or 1-10% in the others as well. Due to overheating I lost a ton of battlechips and everything else that comes along with doing those. As that is probably where players were impacted most by the issues, arena, the compensation doesn’t even begin to address it. I’m sure their internal data could easily cover overall decrease in scores across all arenas, and divide the difference pre and post overheating equally to all players. Is this completely fair to someone like me who grinds and someone who doesn’t? No it isn’t but I didn’t get anything for the time lost so it would be better than nothing. You’re being completely disingenuous saying they can’t calculate what people normally or might have earned.
As others have pointed out, Kabam gave us this information on a Friday hoping the anger will die out by Monday. It’s like a company firing an employee on a Friday.
Backlash against Kabam for the decisions they make almost always fail. They almost always fizzle out. There was a boycott/no login day for July 4th that changed to July 6th because people wanted to be able to login to spend on the deals. As it was these boycott/no login days were about a week or so from when the AW changes were announced. Momentum was lost long before July 4th. Then the overheating issues started and the AW changes were no longer the topic of discussion.
How will the backlash be any different this time around? At what point do we just give up? Kabam knows they can get away with whatever they want because people are addicted to this game and because our attempts to organize typically fail.
At this point we still don't have a solid confirmation from moderators that THIS is the only compensation for the overheating problem month.
Regarding compensations there is one simple solution and it's based on the activity from the previous month - previous to overheating. I don't feel like having one linear compensation towards all the players would be fair. You cannot give to the player with level 4 the same amount of shards that you give to a level 60.
You can sum up every potion, every gold, every battle chip, every crystal that was WON (not purchased) during the previous month and send those as a compensation. This way the players that worked more will receive more and those who worked less will receive less.
At this point we still don't have a solid confirmation from moderators that THIS is the only compensation for the overheating problem month.
Regarding compensations there is one simple solution and it's based on the activity from the previous month - previous to overheating. I don't feel like having one linear compensation towards all the players would be fair. You cannot give to the player with level 4 the same amount of shards that you give to a level 60.
You can sum up every potion, every gold, every battle chip, every crystal that was WON (not purchased) during the previous month and send those as a compensation. This way the players that worked more will receive more and those who worked less will receive less.
If there were more compensation than this, why wouldn’t they say so? Even just a “this isn’t all” would do. They’re just waiting things out.
Maybe they’ll post on Monday with a “we’ve heard your complaints, summoners” and boost the rewards just a little to try to satisfy us once we’ve cooled off, but if they were giving us enough to actually compensate they’d have said so right away.
Also, no, it’s not like they haven’t seen all this outrage. Seen multiple mods posting on other threads, just never anything related to compensation. It’s laughable that they act like we can’t tell they’re ignoring us. Not that I blame the mods, to be clear. But it just looks awful not matter how you angle it.
If there were more compensation than this, why wouldn’t they say so? Even just a “this isn’t all” would do. They’re just waiting things out.
Maybe they’ll post on Monday with a “we’ve heard your complaints, summoners” and boost the rewards just a little to try to satisfy us once we’ve cooled off, but if they were giving us enough to actually compensate they’d have said so right away.
Also, no, it’s not like they haven’t seen all this outrage. Seen multiple mods posting on other threads, just never anything related to compensation. It’s laughable that they act like we can’t tell they’re ignoring us. Not that I blame the mods, to be clear. But it just looks awful not matter how you angle it.
As many already mentioned before mods cannot decide.
They simply inform us on what we need to be informed and not engage in things that are very delicate.
In many ways mods are just like forum users... actually no. They cannot express their own personal position but Kabam's. So they are even more "censured" than we are.
Anyone expecting anything remotely towards the missed arenas in terms of 1-10% rewards needs to check in to a mental ward somewhere.
If anything, a percentage could be taken from milestone rewards.
There is no way they will go and calculate what each individual’s average arena score has been prior to the issues, then map that to the timeline of issues and say ‘let’s just hand him all this in a platter and be done’.
Anyone going by that list needs a reality check. A hard one.
While I do appreciate this upcoming week, I understand entirely that it holds little for anyone that is way past act 4. Ikm way past it on both accounts. But sitting here claiming it’s shite for everyone doesn’t make any sense. So many players are nowhere near end game content yet. They will have more than good benefits from this. I honestly wish I knew the percentage of players that will benefit from this. Which basically, it seems, comes to every player not on the forums.
Backlash is something they were well aware of happening, otherwise Miike wouldn’t have pre-emptively said not to expect certain things. That was damage control before the damage. But they need to do this. Look at the toxicity and hostility thrown at them.
Doesn’t mean I agree with the ****-slap I was given for saying that they would be busy this weekend (thanks again Lyra..), but I definitely get why they won’t respond to anyone just throwing excrement in here. There is nothing to be gained from it.
I’m not getting everything I missed out on. So what? It’s summer, I’ve done summer things when it got bad enough to play less. Traded one thing for another. I’m not ask compensation for time well spent.
Again, anyone going by that list expecting anything remotely close to it... call a doctor and have yourself checked.
As for those crying wolf because they’re paying customers.. You could also decide that spending money is something you could just stop doing. It doesn’t entitle you to anything.
Anyone expecting anything remotely towards the missed arenas in terms of 1-10% rewards needs to check in to a mental ward somewhere.
If anything, a percentage could be taken from milestone rewards.
There is no way they will go and calculate what each individual’s average arena score has been prior to the issues, then map that to the timeline of issues and say ‘let’s just hand him all this in a platter and be done’.
Anyone going by that list needs a reality check. A hard one.
While I do appreciate this upcoming week, I understand entirely that it holds little for anyone that is way past act 4. Ikm way past it on both accounts. But sitting here claiming it’s shite for everyone doesn’t make any sense. So many players are nowhere near end game content yet. They will have more than good benefits from this. I honestly wish I knew the percentage of players that will benefit from this. Which basically, it seems, comes to every player not on the forums.
Backlash is something they were well aware of happening, otherwise Miike wouldn’t have pre-emptively said not to expect certain things. That was damage control before the damage. But they need to do this. Look at the toxicity and hostility thrown at them.
Doesn’t mean I agree with the ****-slap I was given for saying that they would be busy this weekend (thanks again Lyra..), but I definitely get why they won’t respond to anyone just throwing excrement in here. There is nothing to be gained from it.
I’m not getting everything I missed out on. So what? It’s summer, I’ve done summer things when it got bad enough to play less. Traded one thing for another. I’m not ask compensation for time well spent.
Again, anyone going by that list expecting anything remotely close to it... call a doctor and have yourself checked.
As for those crying wolf because they’re paying customers.. You could also decide that spending money is something you could just stop doing. It doesn’t entitle you to anything.
Well gee, I’m glad this is useful for all the new players... The ones who’ve arguably been least affected by all this, and the smallest percentage of players. This isn’t like exponential population growthX dude. The largest pool of players is the one that’s full of core players who’ve been here since day one. Also, obviously they can’t map out all our arena scores and ****. Literally nobody’s suggesting that. But they’re not even giving us enough to match the lowest rank rewards across the month.
If you’re satisfied, fine. But your satisfaction is no more than an opinion, and I’ll thank you to treat it as such. I will never understand how people can say “well, I wasn’t playing the game at the time so I didn’t lose much. Therefore, everyone else who was affected much more than me should stop complaining. Cmon guys this is free stuff.”
Just because you were happy with the time you spent doesn’t mean everyone else should be... Fact is, the rest of us (and this post has 14k+ views by now, so...) are not satisfied, and have given our own opinions, and for the most part (obviously there are always trolls) have been respectful and substantiated ourselves with facts. You’re going to equate that with excrement?
Forums always have trolls throwing out hate, that doesn’t mean kabam should just ignore everyone else. That’s what we call an excuse. Accept it: they’re not responding because anything they say will look even worse than staying quiet.
Bottom line, and you can contradict this yourself if you really feel that it’s emotionally charged excrement: if we’re not able to play because of kabam’s issues, we should be able to make up for lost time. That’s called compensation. This is not compensation as it does not even begin to make up for that lost time, except for the extremely small percentage of new players, I guess. Seems like an awful model to give everyone the same rewards regardless of how long they’ve been playing. I guess they couldn’t think of anything like account level or prestige or uncollected status or quest progression or PI level or time playing or anything. Huh. No, much better to just give everyone compensation that you would sneeze at after a few months of playing. Least the new guys will like it.
But your satisfaction is no more than an opinion, and I’ll thank you to treat it as such.
Obviously mine is an opinion. As. Is. Yours.
Don’t even think your view is any different than mine other than the side it’s from.
And I would love to see your data analytics that show that the largest part of the community are end game players. Unless you are in a data analytics team, within Kabam’s teams working on this specific game.... guess what? Yours is an opinion. And I’m not saying this to fight you. I win nothing from from fighting you. I gave my opinion. Treated as such, including my opinion on how many here go about ‘discussing’ it.
So, while we disagree on the outcome, let’s agree at least that anything anyone here states is an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody here, aside from Kabam itself, can offer up numbers. Which they won’t.
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Why is it that we always talk about not having any gold. You guys include gold in deals that we have to spend money or units on but you cant bring back the gold realms during the summoner appreciation week. We dont need potions like we need gold. Potions dont help me level my guys. You guys know that gold is still tough to come by so that is why you are not offering gold realms. A Summoners Appreciation week should include the gold realms.
I could ask why the gold realms are not on during summoner week but we know it will never get answered.
https://playcontestofchampions.com/summoner-appreciation-event-week-1/ <--- Gold realms
If you want to say that your boosting gold, battle chips etc by 20% to make up for it, well you did that in weeks 2, 3 and 4 before but who's counting right.
Also this experience boost for everyone that is already at level 60 and still playing your game, we get nothing. EXP should convert into something else like another 5% in boost BC and gold.
Is it that difficult to spell it out clearly, and not mix the compensation that IS needed for all the Summoners that lost wars, quests, and couldn't do arena grinds, not to mention events, away from the "Summoner appreciation" week, which is downsized by 3 WEEKS going by last year's "Summoner appreciation" MONTH?
So very disappointing, and, unfortunately, it seems this is the norm these days.
Btw, if you wanna take a look at Prof. Hoff’s vid and his take on all this, he’s a fairly reasonable guy and it might be worth a watch. He made some points I definitely agreed with.
If only I could think of an example of a game or forum handle that seemed race-neutral, while not being random or meaningless.
I know, @Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg, which is Latin for "I'm choking on an olive pit please strike my back with a firm hand." The fjg is apparently also gender neutral.
😂😂😂😂
Speaking of brick walls... How about that kabam, huh?
Ps the person who made the list knew it was too much for compensation, i see that at least can be used as a measuring of how out of touch or not what they give is.
@khehmist @DarthPhal @DrZola you three in particular strike me as game.
That list is entirely unreasonable to expect to hand out to everyone.
It may be unreasonable but it's not free stuff Miike said compensation isn't about free stuff it's about making up for what we lost... That's what we lost...
If you're not playing, how are you losing it? It's not easy to gauge. They can't calculate what people might have earned.
Good point then they should base it off different areas OBVIOUSLY someone who isn't Uncollected shouldn't get Uncollected rewards... Prestige is also another good way imo
Well I think whoever tried to do a certain difficulty they should get the 100% rewards from it... If I done any arena I want the milestones from said arena... If I tried Heroic Master and Uncollected I want those rewards same for Micro Realms 🙂
Backlash against Kabam for the decisions they make almost always fail. They almost always fizzle out. There was a boycott/no login day for July 4th that changed to July 6th because people wanted to be able to login to spend on the deals. As it was these boycott/no login days were about a week or so from when the AW changes were announced. Momentum was lost long before July 4th. Then the overheating issues started and the AW changes were no longer the topic of discussion.
How will the backlash be any different this time around? At what point do we just give up? Kabam knows they can get away with whatever they want because people are addicted to this game and because our attempts to organize typically fail.
Regarding compensations there is one simple solution and it's based on the activity from the previous month - previous to overheating. I don't feel like having one linear compensation towards all the players would be fair. You cannot give to the player with level 4 the same amount of shards that you give to a level 60.
You can sum up every potion, every gold, every battle chip, every crystal that was WON (not purchased) during the previous month and send those as a compensation. This way the players that worked more will receive more and those who worked less will receive less.
If there were more compensation than this, why wouldn’t they say so? Even just a “this isn’t all” would do. They’re just waiting things out.
Maybe they’ll post on Monday with a “we’ve heard your complaints, summoners” and boost the rewards just a little to try to satisfy us once we’ve cooled off, but if they were giving us enough to actually compensate they’d have said so right away.
Also, no, it’s not like they haven’t seen all this outrage. Seen multiple mods posting on other threads, just never anything related to compensation. It’s laughable that they act like we can’t tell they’re ignoring us. Not that I blame the mods, to be clear. But it just looks awful not matter how you angle it.
As many already mentioned before mods cannot decide.
They simply inform us on what we need to be informed and not engage in things that are very delicate.
In many ways mods are just like forum users... actually no. They cannot express their own personal position but Kabam's. So they are even more "censured" than we are.
If anything, a percentage could be taken from milestone rewards.
There is no way they will go and calculate what each individual’s average arena score has been prior to the issues, then map that to the timeline of issues and say ‘let’s just hand him all this in a platter and be done’.
Anyone going by that list needs a reality check. A hard one.
While I do appreciate this upcoming week, I understand entirely that it holds little for anyone that is way past act 4. Ikm way past it on both accounts. But sitting here claiming it’s shite for everyone doesn’t make any sense. So many players are nowhere near end game content yet. They will have more than good benefits from this. I honestly wish I knew the percentage of players that will benefit from this. Which basically, it seems, comes to every player not on the forums.
Backlash is something they were well aware of happening, otherwise Miike wouldn’t have pre-emptively said not to expect certain things. That was damage control before the damage. But they need to do this. Look at the toxicity and hostility thrown at them.
Doesn’t mean I agree with the ****-slap I was given for saying that they would be busy this weekend (thanks again Lyra..), but I definitely get why they won’t respond to anyone just throwing excrement in here. There is nothing to be gained from it.
I’m not getting everything I missed out on. So what? It’s summer, I’ve done summer things when it got bad enough to play less. Traded one thing for another. I’m not ask compensation for time well spent.
Again, anyone going by that list expecting anything remotely close to it... call a doctor and have yourself checked.
As for those crying wolf because they’re paying customers.. You could also decide that spending money is something you could just stop doing. It doesn’t entitle you to anything.
Well gee, I’m glad this is useful for all the new players... The ones who’ve arguably been least affected by all this, and the smallest percentage of players. This isn’t like exponential population growthX dude. The largest pool of players is the one that’s full of core players who’ve been here since day one. Also, obviously they can’t map out all our arena scores and ****. Literally nobody’s suggesting that. But they’re not even giving us enough to match the lowest rank rewards across the month.
If you’re satisfied, fine. But your satisfaction is no more than an opinion, and I’ll thank you to treat it as such. I will never understand how people can say “well, I wasn’t playing the game at the time so I didn’t lose much. Therefore, everyone else who was affected much more than me should stop complaining. Cmon guys this is free stuff.”
Just because you were happy with the time you spent doesn’t mean everyone else should be... Fact is, the rest of us (and this post has 14k+ views by now, so...) are not satisfied, and have given our own opinions, and for the most part (obviously there are always trolls) have been respectful and substantiated ourselves with facts. You’re going to equate that with excrement?
Forums always have trolls throwing out hate, that doesn’t mean kabam should just ignore everyone else. That’s what we call an excuse. Accept it: they’re not responding because anything they say will look even worse than staying quiet.
Bottom line, and you can contradict this yourself if you really feel that it’s emotionally charged excrement: if we’re not able to play because of kabam’s issues, we should be able to make up for lost time. That’s called compensation. This is not compensation as it does not even begin to make up for that lost time, except for the extremely small percentage of new players, I guess. Seems like an awful model to give everyone the same rewards regardless of how long they’ve been playing. I guess they couldn’t think of anything like account level or prestige or uncollected status or quest progression or PI level or time playing or anything. Huh. No, much better to just give everyone compensation that you would sneeze at after a few months of playing. Least the new guys will like it.
That would have been much preferable
Obviously mine is an opinion. As. Is. Yours.
Don’t even think your view is any different than mine other than the side it’s from.
And I would love to see your data analytics that show that the largest part of the community are end game players. Unless you are in a data analytics team, within Kabam’s teams working on this specific game.... guess what? Yours is an opinion. And I’m not saying this to fight you. I win nothing from from fighting you. I gave my opinion. Treated as such, including my opinion on how many here go about ‘discussing’ it.
So, while we disagree on the outcome, let’s agree at least that anything anyone here states is an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody here, aside from Kabam itself, can offer up numbers. Which they won’t.