Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
Hmm.. that one is weird yeah. Robots shouldn't be mind-controlled. Not that I recall from the comics anyway..
I shall have a good google on that one. Seems and sounds like a slip-up, but not entirely sure just yet. Have been out of the comics a while.
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
Hmm.. that one is weird yeah. Robots shouldn't be mind-controlled. Not that I recall from the comics anyway..
I shall have a good google on that one. Seems and sounds like a slip-up, but not entirely sure just yet. Have been out of the comics a while.
There is a little precedent set by the MCU.
In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver go to meet Ultron for the first time. Not knowing Ultron was a robot, Scarlet Witch attempts unsuccessfully to scan his mind, something that Ultron comments on.
In the comics, telepaths have no mental control over robots either.
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
Hmm.. that one is weird yeah. Robots shouldn't be mind-controlled. Not that I recall from the comics anyway..
I shall have a good google on that one. Seems and sounds like a slip-up, but not entirely sure just yet. Have been out of the comics a while.
There is a little precedent set by the MCU.
In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver go to meet Ultron for the first time. Not knowing Ultron was a robot, Scarlet Witch attempts unsuccessfully to scan his mind, something that Ultron comments on.
In the comics, telepaths have no mental control over robots either.
BUT she can read vision! Correct? And my assumption is because of the mind stone! Hence my comment saying the only robot/Android she should be able to mind-control should be vision. The rest SHOULDN'T be able to be mind-controlled. Whether or not kabam takes this into consideration is undetermined lol. But as stated before, good food for thought! Lol
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
Very true.
I've done a search, and the only thing realted to electronics in Emma's case, is that she's proficient in designing and building devices to find mutants for instance. Nowhere is she mentioned as having any swat over robots.
I also can't remember for the life of me if I've ever read anything about her controlling Sentinels for instance.
As far as I can find, she shouldn't be able to influence robots. Will do a bit more digging though. Kind of intrigued now...
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
So og vision should be immune while AoU is controllable? I believe that would be the case. Lol
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
Very true.
I've done a search, and the only thing realted to electronics in Emma's case, is that she's proficient in designing and building devices to find mutants for instance. Nowhere is she mentioned as having any swat over robots.
I also can't remember for the life of me if I've ever read anything about her controlling Sentinels for instance.
As far as I can find, she shouldn't be able to influence robots. Will do a bit more digging though. Kind of intrigued now...
Yeah, it is really weird that Kabam decided to make Mags, Jugg etc Immune but then said she would be able to control robots. Like, why do one but not the other? I get game balance but would it be game breaking to have a few more counters to her?
Maybe it’s because there are a few really good robots like Sentinel, Ultron and Nebs.
@Kabam Miike could you lend some insight as to why Emma can mind control electronics?
Chalk it up to normal everyday Kabam operations lol. Bullets dont effect hulk in any comic or movie I have seen. But in game he gets shot by an arrow and he bleeds smh. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the helmets protecting these guys from mind control. I think it is very cool. But the fact that Iceman is not immune to frostbite... Hulk bleeds... Ghost rider burns... And robots are susceptible to mind control... Can all be chalked up to 'kabam says so'
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
Hmm.. that one is weird yeah. Robots shouldn't be mind-controlled. Not that I recall from the comics anyway..
I shall have a good google on that one. Seems and sounds like a slip-up, but not entirely sure just yet. Have been out of the comics a while.
There is a little precedent set by the MCU.
In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver go to meet Ultron for the first time. Not knowing Ultron was a robot, Scarlet Witch attempts unsuccessfully to scan his mind, something that Ultron comments on.
In the comics, telepaths have no mental control over robots either.
BUT she can read vision! Correct? And my assumption is because of the mind stone! Hence my comment saying the only robot/Android she should be able to mind-control should be vision. The rest SHOULDN'T be able to be mind-controlled. Whether or not kabam takes this into consideration is undetermined lol. But as stated before, good food for thought! Lol
Something to keep in mind...MCU Scarlet Witch is able to read Vision because he has the Mind Stone and her powers are derived from the Mind Stone. This feels less like telepathy and more like simply scanning the stone, which she's only able to do due to her personal connection tot he stone.
Emma has no such connection, and thus I'd argue her telepathic powers shouldn't work on any robot, including AoU Vision.
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
Very true.
I've done a search, and the only thing realted to electronics in Emma's case, is that she's proficient in designing and building devices to find mutants for instance. Nowhere is she mentioned as having any swat over robots.
I also can't remember for the life of me if I've ever read anything about her controlling Sentinels for instance.
As far as I can find, she shouldn't be able to influence robots. Will do a bit more digging though. Kind of intrigued now...
Yeah, it is really weird that Kabam decided to make Mags, Jugg etc Immune but then said she would be able to control robots. Like, why do one but not the other? I get game balance but would it be game breaking to have a few more counters to her?
Maybe it’s because there are a few really good robots like Sentinel, Ultron and Nebs.
@Kabam Miike could you lend some insight as to why Emma can mind control electronics?
Not sure about adding nebula into this group. Only because I think she still has some semblance of a brain. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I kinda agree with the delay thing ... Her AI in the quest is one thing, but she will be a problem in the future when she is released. A player can't even create distance, inverted controls kick in without any delay and basically is game over from there (Thanos had a delay here, and people could actually evade his first attack by dashing backwards). Intercept won't work either because the first part of her special is multi-hit and players get struck mid them while dashing forward.
this is so odd coming from you here considering you being such an advocate for Domino. While that's not here or there, you've learned to adapt to Domino, and i think you'll find that Emma Frost is no different here when learning to play against her. So with that said I'm going to just say that Emma Frost DOES have a tell, she's not just cursing you with a special attack without warning, and you can prepare for it. if you treat her like you do a Yellow Jacket and end on a 4 hit combo while she's over a bar of power you'll see it.
I have experienced some weird intercept intercepts from her, but I've adapted here as well. the backdraft intercept strategy is not reliable here. I also really like this challenge, she's really fun to play against when you get the hang of it and I wish there was more challenges like this.
Some more searching (there is a LOT of information to find, good grief...) managed to find single obscure line in her abilities that might be used to explain the controlling of robots somewhat, though it doesn't explain the inversion of the controls on them:
Psionic Blasts: Can project psionic force bolts or blast waves which can do damage on either a physical or mental level and which can affect a victim's mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness and can even kill an adversary.
It still would mean that at best, robots would interact the way Magneto(s), Juggs and Unstoppable Colossus do.
As @BitterSteel asked, can you shed some light on this decision @Kabam Miike ?
It seems and feels strange.
@Bonze9 , I agree on Nebula. She isn't a full on robot, not in the sense a sentinel or Ultron are for instance.
As for the Visions, technically both are still robots. Regardless of MCU or comics canon, both were quite literally manufactured. And in Infinity War, many efforts are made to remove the stone entirely from Vision, so it really isn't something he needs. Hardly something that would warrant mind control then as far as I'm concerned.
Some more searching (there is a LOT of information to find, good grief...) managed to find single obscure line in her abilities that might be used to explain the controlling of robots somewhat, though it doesn't explain the inversion of the controls on them:
Psionic Blasts: Can project psionic force bolts or blast waves which can do damage on either a physical or mental level and which can affect a victim's mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness and can even kill an adversary.
It still would mean that at best, robots would interact the way Magneto(s), Juggs and Unstoppable Colossus do.
As @BitterSteel asked, can you shed some light on this decision @Kabam Miike ?
It seems and feels strange.
@Bonze9 , I agree on Nebula. She isn't a full on robot, not in the sense a sentinel or Ultron are for instance.
As for the Visions, technically both are still robots. Regardless of MCU or comics canon, both were quite literally manufactured. And in Infinity War, many efforts are made to remove the stone entirely from Vision, so it really isn't something he needs. Hardly something that would warrant mind control then as far as I'm concerned.
Yea I get what your saying. BUT! It is the “mind stone” I could see some kind of telepathic connection. Especially considering sw can read him. Just my 2 cents lol
Jus use champs like Juggs, Magneto, Unstoppable Collosus.. They’re immune to the inverted mind controls
I'm not doubting this is true, but how do you know this? What other champs are immune to inverted controls?
This has to do with comics canon really.
In the comics, Magneto's helmet shields him from telepathy.
Same goes for Juggs' helmet that is basically magically attached to him through the gem of Cyttorak. By extension, Unst. Col. has the same (since more or less robbed Juggs from it in a storyline in the comics).
It's good it translated to the game though.
Are you trolling?
Are you trolling........ Dude made an insightful comment into the characters abilities and you mock him? But I did see a comment that really made me question. @Bapoi can you possibly explain why she still effects robots? Honestly the only one I would think she could possibly control would be vision and that’s only because of the mind stone itself. The rest of the robots don’t have brain to control. Food for thought.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
Very true.
I've done a search, and the only thing realted to electronics in Emma's case, is that she's proficient in designing and building devices to find mutants for instance. Nowhere is she mentioned as having any swat over robots.
I also can't remember for the life of me if I've ever read anything about her controlling Sentinels for instance.
As far as I can find, she shouldn't be able to influence robots. Will do a bit more digging though. Kind of intrigued now...
Yeah, it is really weird that Kabam decided to make Mags, Jugg etc Immune but then said she would be able to control robots. Like, why do one but not the other? I get game balance but would it be game breaking to have a few more counters to her?
Maybe it’s because there are a few really good robots like Sentinel, Ultron and Nebs.
@Kabam Miike could you lend some insight as to why Emma can mind control electronics?
Not sure about adding nebula into this group. Only because I think she still has some semblance of a brain. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I agree, I only added her since she is added ingame as a robot.
Kabam says she is going to be hardest character to beat but many videos on internet people one shot her with hyperion, corvus, medusa! Also withing one day! She isn't the hardest character there are many better defender than her.
Didn't realise this thread would blow up lol. Just to reiterate, my main annoyance is not the inverted controls. I handled that with IW Thanos no prob. My frustration is at the fact that there is no delay between the activation and contact made by her Sp1 giving us no time to adapt our thumb swipes accordingly. And most of the time I will swipe back against her to create distance and she would have just activated a special so by swiping back I dash into her special. I think either:
1) there should be a delay between activation and contact made by her special 1 but no delay in her special 2 (because this will still create a challenge in that you will have a hard time if you can't bait out her special 1).
2) Make her inverted controls only activate after the first blast of her special 1 and/or special 2 so you can dash back against the first blast and have inverted controls for the second blast just to give us a chance, like they did with IW Thanos.
I mean, how can Kabam honestly make Emma Frost's inverted control mechanic so much more frustrating than Thanos with 6 infinity stones? (Or 3, however you want to look at it) Makes no sense.
The central message of my rant: There should be a delay with her inverted control/special attack activation.
She was extremely difficult for me for sure. I spent over 400 units and a few revives on initial clear of UC EQ. I most likely won’t be able to 100% it this month.
However, guys like Lagacy and BG totally wrecked her.
So, maybe there is just a likely gap in skill level. Which is ok, and expected in a skill based game. We need challenging end game content. Even though it is quite difficult for me...to see some top level players wreck her is evidence enough of the playability.
Some of us are just not advanced far enough, or are simply not good enough. That is how it should be.
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Hmm.. that one is weird yeah. Robots shouldn't be mind-controlled. Not that I recall from the comics anyway..
I shall have a good google on that one. Seems and sounds like a slip-up, but not entirely sure just yet. Have been out of the comics a while.
There is a little precedent set by the MCU.
In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver go to meet Ultron for the first time. Not knowing Ultron was a robot, Scarlet Witch attempts unsuccessfully to scan his mind, something that Ultron comments on.
In the comics, telepaths have no mental control over robots either.
In regards to vision, remember that the one in the comics doesn’t have the mind stone in his forehead. He has a solar jewel. The AoU Vision however does have the mind stone.
BUT she can read vision! Correct? And my assumption is because of the mind stone! Hence my comment saying the only robot/Android she should be able to mind-control should be vision. The rest SHOULDN'T be able to be mind-controlled. Whether or not kabam takes this into consideration is undetermined lol. But as stated before, good food for thought! Lol
Very true.
I've done a search, and the only thing realted to electronics in Emma's case, is that she's proficient in designing and building devices to find mutants for instance. Nowhere is she mentioned as having any swat over robots.
I also can't remember for the life of me if I've ever read anything about her controlling Sentinels for instance.
As far as I can find, she shouldn't be able to influence robots. Will do a bit more digging though. Kind of intrigued now...
So og vision should be immune while AoU is controllable? I believe that would be the case. Lol
Yeah, it is really weird that Kabam decided to make Mags, Jugg etc Immune but then said she would be able to control robots. Like, why do one but not the other? I get game balance but would it be game breaking to have a few more counters to her?
Maybe it’s because there are a few really good robots like Sentinel, Ultron and Nebs.
@Kabam Miike could you lend some insight as to why Emma can mind control electronics?
Something to keep in mind...MCU Scarlet Witch is able to read Vision because he has the Mind Stone and her powers are derived from the Mind Stone. This feels less like telepathy and more like simply scanning the stone, which she's only able to do due to her personal connection tot he stone.
Emma has no such connection, and thus I'd argue her telepathic powers shouldn't work on any robot, including AoU Vision.
Not sure about adding nebula into this group. Only because I think she still has some semblance of a brain. Correct me if I’m wrong.
this is so odd coming from you here considering you being such an advocate for Domino. While that's not here or there, you've learned to adapt to Domino, and i think you'll find that Emma Frost is no different here when learning to play against her. So with that said I'm going to just say that Emma Frost DOES have a tell, she's not just cursing you with a special attack without warning, and you can prepare for it. if you treat her like you do a Yellow Jacket and end on a 4 hit combo while she's over a bar of power you'll see it.
I have experienced some weird intercept intercepts from her, but I've adapted here as well. the backdraft intercept strategy is not reliable here. I also really like this challenge, she's really fun to play against when you get the hang of it and I wish there was more challenges like this.
g'luck
Psionic Blasts: Can project psionic force bolts or blast waves which can do damage on either a physical or mental level and which can affect a victim's mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness and can even kill an adversary.
It still would mean that at best, robots would interact the way Magneto(s), Juggs and Unstoppable Colossus do.
As @BitterSteel asked, can you shed some light on this decision @Kabam Miike ?
It seems and feels strange.
@Bonze9 , I agree on Nebula. She isn't a full on robot, not in the sense a sentinel or Ultron are for instance.
As for the Visions, technically both are still robots. Regardless of MCU or comics canon, both were quite literally manufactured. And in Infinity War, many efforts are made to remove the stone entirely from Vision, so it really isn't something he needs. Hardly something that would warrant mind control then as far as I'm concerned.
Yea I get what your saying. BUT! It is the “mind stone” I could see some kind of telepathic connection. Especially considering sw can read him. Just my 2 cents lol
I agree, I only added her since she is added ingame as a robot.
1) there should be a delay between activation and contact made by her special 1 but no delay in her special 2 (because this will still create a challenge in that you will have a hard time if you can't bait out her special 1).
2) Make her inverted controls only activate after the first blast of her special 1 and/or special 2 so you can dash back against the first blast and have inverted controls for the second blast just to give us a chance, like they did with IW Thanos.
I mean, how can Kabam honestly make Emma Frost's inverted control mechanic so much more frustrating than Thanos with 6 infinity stones? (Or 3, however you want to look at it) Makes no sense.
The central message of my rant: There should be a delay with her inverted control/special attack activation.
However, guys like Lagacy and BG totally wrecked her.
So, maybe there is just a likely gap in skill level. Which is ok, and expected in a skill based game. We need challenging end game content. Even though it is quite difficult for me...to see some top level players wreck her is evidence enough of the playability.
Some of us are just not advanced far enough, or are simply not good enough. That is how it should be.
That's how I thought it worked when I saw Kabam's vid on her and Omega Red