What's Worse Punishment?

Help me comprehend this..... Cheating alliances get docked rating and are sent backwards to then fight lower PI alliances in AW who are competing fairly and are trying to progress in the game without piloting? What's worse punishment?

I find it completely backwards and heinous that an alliance like mine who is 5-1 on the season and has finally jumped to Plat 3 is then matched up against a former highly rated Plat 2 alliance with a massive massive PI disparity (over 3 million). A 3 million PI disparity when alliances are competing at this high of a level is a chasm of difference. We have completed all maps 100%, but the chance of getting a Win with minimal deaths is slim to none.

So who's catching the worse end of punishment here? The alliance who cheated or the alliance who has been busting their humps to break through to the Platinum rankings?

Tough break for sure, but Kabam needs to figure out a way to change this without other alliances catching the breaks from other alliances cheating.

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Heretodie

Yah I agree with this, they should just lose all Season rewards rather then getting bumped at 2000 war rating and running into alliances not able to compete at teir 2 levels.

klobberintyme

ForumName123 wrote: »

Help me comprehend this..... Cheating alliances get docked rating and are sent backwards to then fight lower PI alliances in AW who are competing fairly and are trying to progress in the game without piloting? What's worse punishment?

I find it completely backwards and heinous that an alliance like mine who is 5-1 on the season and has finally jumped to Plat 3 is then matched up against a former highly rated Plat 2 alliance with a massive massive PI disparity (over 3 million). A 3 million PI disparity when alliances are competing at this high of a level is a chasm of difference. We have completed all maps 100%, but the chance of getting a Win with minimal deaths is slim to none.

So who's catching the worse end of punishment here? The alliance who cheated or the alliance who has been busting their humps to break through to the Platinum rankings?

Tough break for sure, but Kabam needs to figure out a way to change this without other alliances catching the breaks from other alliances cheating.

The punishment is a top ranked alliance now has to scrap with lower ranks, which means fellow top rankers are rewarded for not cheating, as they should be.
Also, don't assume lower rating means easy win. For every "ringer" alliance you lose to, you beat an alliance clearly in over their heads.

Helicopter_dugdugdug

5-1 record suggests that u r also fighting lower than your level

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Rixob

I agree as well. Piloting is def back in full effect. Alliances are clearing our defense with less than 30 deaths. Same thing that was happening in season 2.

DNA3000

ForumName123 wrote: »

Helicopter_dugdugdug wrote: »

5-1 record suggests that u r also fighting lower than your level

That’s completely inaccurate. We’ve just outperformed the other alliances that at our at our level and similar PI. 3/6 wars we’ve won we were the underdog, so speculate all you want.

The way alliance war works, it is impossible to consistently outperform the competition unless you happen to be one of the absolute top ranked alliances. The reason is because winning at more than about a 60% rate promotes you to higher ranks. Eventually, you simply cannot sustain a higher win rate because you'll just keep getting bumped upward until you either face competition you cannot consistently beat, or you find yourself at the very least a tier 1 alliance, if not the number one alliance.

DNA3000

ForumName123 wrote: »

Help me comprehend this..... Cheating alliances get docked rating and are sent backwards to then fight lower PI alliances in AW who are competing fairly and are trying to progress in the game without piloting? What's worse punishment?

I find it completely backwards and heinous that an alliance like mine who is 5-1 on the season and has finally jumped to Plat 3 is then matched up against a former highly rated Plat 2 alliance with a massive massive PI disparity (over 3 million). A 3 million PI disparity when alliances are competing at this high of a level is a chasm of difference. We have completed all maps 100%, but the chance of getting a Win with minimal deaths is slim to none.

So who's catching the worse end of punishment here? The alliance who cheated or the alliance who has been busting their humps to break through to the Platinum rankings?

Tough break for sure, but Kabam needs to figure out a way to change this without other alliances catching the breaks from other alliances cheating.

Insert obligatory plug for my multiplier penalty suggestion here.

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Tasty_Yum_Yums

I think a points and rankings reduction, along with a 10-day AW ban would be a more ideal punishment

gnews85

Im having similar thoughts although the punishment still doesnt fit the crime. What do casinos do to cheats? What about pro sports teams or amateur sports teams for that matter. Its not a slap on the wrist and dont do that again. They get permanently banned from competing/playing. Since this is all aimed at aw i think the most sensible thing to do is remove that alli from the season standings. Thry no longer get to compete for season rewards and are completely removed from the leaderboard. They can match against other cheater allies in exhibition and may the best cheater win. My alli is competing for masters and all youve done is make the rest of our season harder

gnews85

Cause you know these master allies that got docked will be back in master before the end of the season and absolutely nothing will have changed

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DNA3000

ForumName123 wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

ForumName123 wrote: »

Helicopter_dugdugdug wrote: »

5-1 record suggests that u r also fighting lower than your level

That’s completely inaccurate. We’ve just outperformed the other alliances that at our at our level and similar PI. 3/6 wars we’ve won we were the underdog, so speculate all you want.

The way alliance war works, it is impossible to consistently outperform the competition unless you happen to be one of the absolute top ranked alliances. The reason is because winning at more than about a 60% rate promotes you to higher ranks. Eventually, you simply cannot sustain a higher win rate because you'll just keep getting bumped upward until you either face competition you cannot consistently beat, or you find yourself at the very least a tier 1 alliance, if not the number one alliance.

DNA3000 wrote: »

ForumName123 wrote: »

Helicopter_dugdugdug wrote: »

5-1 record suggests that u r also fighting lower than your level

That’s completely inaccurate. We’ve just outperformed the other alliances that at our at our level and similar PI. 3/6 wars we’ve won we were the underdog, so speculate all you want.

The way alliance war works, it is impossible to consistently outperform the competition unless you happen to be one of the absolute top ranked alliances. The reason is because winning at more than about a 60% rate promotes you to higher ranks. Eventually, you simply cannot sustain a higher win rate because you'll just keep getting bumped upward until you either face competition you cannot consistently beat, or you find yourself at the very least a tier 1 alliance, if not the number one alliance.

I’m quite aware at how Alliance Wars Work and the matching systems perform. If you refer to my original point, I’m discussing being matched up with a demoted Plat 2 alliance that was dropped due to cheating. We would have never been matched up with them if they hadn’t cheated in the first place. Thanks for the breakdown of the obvious though.

If I was referring to your original post, I would have quoted it. Instead, I quoted the actual post I was referring to, which made the factually erroneous statement that you could outperform alliances five wins to one loss at the same relative war strength. That's impossible, because no alliance that wins five out of six wars gets consistently matched against alliances of the same war strength.

It seemed obvious to me as well, but then again it also seems obvious to me that when someone actually quotes a post and then replies to it, the reply is specifically addressing something in the quote, not something not in the quote. Apparently this is also not obvious.

Vale84

Rixob wrote: »

I agree as well. Piloting is def back in full effect. Alliances are clearing our defense with less than 30 deaths. Same thing that was happening in season 2.

That's inaccurate at best. A master ally competing for top 3 clears tier 1 maps within 1 to 5 deaths. 30+ is low end bottom for every referring tier. i'd say on a fair matchup and fair tier difficulty anything between 15 to 30 is within expectations. you should be worried if they cleared you in under 10 to 5.

Zeronaut81

Why couldn’t an alliance found to have cheated just be prevented from participating in the current AW season? That makes the most sense.

It would be similar to a cheating athlete getting suspended for a given length of the season. It serves as punishment, and removes the guilty party from competing against legit participants.

I understand that this would negatively affect the entire alliance, but the current system already does that. The current system also has a negative impact on the lower rated alliances that match up against these dropped alliances, like op detailed.

If cheating doesn’t have a punitive outcome, the risks are outweighed by the rewards. Platinum 3 isn’t a bad consolation prize if you’re caught cheating. But if you could jump into master rankings by cheating, and at worst get plat 3 if caught, what would stop somebody apart from personal morality?

I get that this is a business, and profits from AW are a constant flow of income. But there needs to be a sense of fairness and transparency in any competition, with oversight to ensure that match outcomes are indeed fair. The player base needs to be able to rely on knowing that results from cheating are properly handled and won’t affect the other competitors. Otherwise, the players willing to spend money won’t trust the game, & won’t spend.

DNA3000

Zeronaut81 wrote: »

Why couldn’t an alliance found to have cheated just be prevented from participating in the current AW season? That makes the most sense.

It would be similar to a cheating athlete getting suspended for a given length of the season. It serves as punishment, and removes the guilty party from competing against legit participants.

The reason why this is not entirely fair is because it isn't similar to a cheating athlete getting suspended, it is similar to an entire team getting suspended for the rest of the season because of one cheating player.

It is also an impractical penalty because of the mechanics of implementing it. If you literally prevent an entire alliance from getting AW season rewards, that is so harsh of a penalty that it would actually encourage alliances to simply disband and reform, because even that's better than simply waiting out the penalty. Anything is better than nothing. And then you've encouraged an alliance caught with a cheating member to create a highly rated shell that becomes potentially very valuable in the following season.

The only way to avoid this is to individually ban each member of the alliance, and then you'd be banning players for things they did not do.

TacoScotty

Dock the multiplier only or instead of any rating send them to the corner and make them sit out 1-3 wars on top of points you removed