I have a question

Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
Why does willpower not heal me when the debuff heal block is placed?

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  • SabrefencerSabrefencer Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★
    Welderofortune2 wrote: »
    Why does willpower not heal me when the debuff heal block is placed?

    Really? You expect to heal when you have a HEAL BLOCK debuff?
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    I stand by my question, This is the description on the mastery tree. " For each type of debuff active on your Champions they regenerate xx% per second and gain +xxx armor. no effect on Robots" Regeneration is not the same as heal IMO. This is the definition of regeneration "the action or process of regenerating or being regenerated, in particular the formation of new animal or plant tissue" The hinge for me is the forming of new tissue, not healing damaged tissue. As the definition of heal is "(of a person or treatment) cause (a wound, injury, or person) to become sound or healthy again." this is not the same as regenerating new tissue as healing is merely fixing damaged tissue, this is why it takes no effect of robots and they gain self repair charges or buffs. I look forward to this being corrected in the future.
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    @Hamin
    @Josegee2321
    @Sabrefencer
    @DRTO
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    @Hamin could you read my post before passing judgment.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    edited January 2019
    I did.

    It's the same as:

    Why isn't GR incinerate immune?
    Why isn't Iceman cold immune?
    Why can you parry lasers?
    How can Blade cause you to bleed when he parries a laser?
    Etc etc etc

    You're using semantics to bolster your argument when there really isn't much to it.

    Willpower grants regen on debuffs. Heal block prevents all healing. Regen is a type of healing.

    There isn't anything complicated here.
  • SabrefencerSabrefencer Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★
    Josegee2321 wrote: »
    There's no such thing as a stupid question...

    Sometimes, there is......
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,103 ★★★★★
    Heal or regen, same thing in the game.
    As you can see by the wording, is a regeneration over time. It lasts as long as the debuff is on you.
    Heal block means you won't heal when it's placed on you. Willpower DOES interact with an heal block debuff, and it still gives you regen over time as well as the armor. But since your regeneration is blocked, then you will only get the armor from the mastery
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    So not to beat a dead horse but even Kabam in the wording of the despair mastery, implies that regen and heal are not the same things. Could I ether get a mod call or a fix. Thanks

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  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    @Hamin
    @Josegee2321
    @Sabrefencer
    @DRTO
    @will-o-wisp
  • Kabam ZibiitKabam Zibiit Administrator Posts: 7,033
    Hey there, the in-game description of Heal Block states that it "prevents Health from being recovered by abilities like Regeneration". Since Willpower would normally allow you to gain health, Heal Block would prevent that from happening. I hope this helps clear things up!
  • SabrefencerSabrefencer Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★
    @Welderofortune2 speaking in semantics. Mods have spoken. Going to accept their answer?
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    Probably for now, but under their description for heal block it specifically states regeneration. So IMO heal block should not block self repair from robots, as it is not stated anywhere in their response and that is clearly not regen but self repair. Furthermore the willpower mastery has no effect on robots so therefore robots can not regen so heal block should not affect them. Just my two cents @Sabrefencer
  • SabrefencerSabrefencer Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★
    Just don't get how it's so difficult to understand that in this, and just about any other game, that Regeneration and Heal are synonymous with each other.
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    I have already laid out that they are two very different things, one deals with repairing or healing damaged tissues, while the other is regenerating or creating new tissues. I understand what they and you @Sabrefencer are trying to say while I am merely stating that sloppy use of two different terms and then using both terms some places and only one in others is confusing, when you are trying to understand the interactions of different nodes and game mechanics. When they clearly don't really care how it all interacts, is bothersome to me. This is just the first one I have commented on, I will be on the look out for others.
  • SabrefencerSabrefencer Member Posts: 1,433 ★★★
    It's a mobile device game, stop over-thinking it.
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    Sabrefencer wrote: »
    It's a mobile device game, stop over-thinking it.

    But yet people sink millions of dollars into it, so maybe they should be held to the same standards that other company's are held too, @Sabrefencer . Once again this is just my 2 cents, but as the game gets more complex we need to start being very careful about wording and such.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    Wow. I'm glad Zibiit explained it. Because it's not like 10 other people did.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    Hmmm... let me try and use a different analogy:

    Meow: housecat places annoyance debuff on player
    Roar: tiger places poop-your-pants debuff on player
    Food: prevents all feline vocal debuffs
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    edited January 2019
    @Hamin but did any of you explain it? You told me they are the same thing while I quoted sources that showed they are not the same thing. You said they were same in game then, so I posted a pick about the despair mastery that shows that somebody thinks they are different or else why would they make the distinction as that would be redundant. Then you attempt to belittle my question entirely by using what "analogy" you think applies in this situation. So still waiting on that answer, but am willing to go along with kinda what Zibiit said but still would like the proper wording used in game.
  • HaminHamin Member Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    Welderofortune2 wrote: »
    @Hamin but did any of you explain it? You told me they are the same thing while I quoted sources that showed they are not the same thing. You said they were same in game then, so I posted a pick about the despair mastery that shows that somebody thinks they are different or else why would they make the distinction as that would be redundant. Then you attempt to belittle my question entirely by using what "analogy" you think applies in this situation. So still waiting on that answer, but am willing to go along with kinda what Zibiit said but still would like the proper wording used in game.

    Nah bruh.

    Pointing out cats and tigers are felines and even though the debuffs are named differently the are vocal.

    Healing is healing.
    Regen is a HoT.

    How many straws are you going to try and grasp?
  • Welderofortune2Welderofortune2 Member Posts: 139 ★
    The point I'm trying to make and am failing at is it is a grey area, why is heal block, heal block but yet despair is heal/regen reversal? It is not spelled out as are many other interactions in this game. Just trying to make the point that devs should go the extra step and make sure everything is spelled out so some a##h#le like me can't tear it apart.
  • CLMPitombeiraCLMPitombeira Member Posts: 51 ★
    Welderofortune2 wrote: »
    Why does willpower not heal me when the debuff heal block is placed?
    :D this thread is gold kkkkkk

  • RasiloverRasilover Member Posts: 1,478 ★★★★
    You really think that willpower should work on heal block?
    OMEGALUL
  • DRTODRTO Member Posts: 1,681 ★★★★★
    My god @Welderofortune just let it go man, you have overthinked this more than anyone has overthinked something before. There are like hundreds of other things you could be addressing about the game but you chose something that makes sense to everyone else.
  • Kabam LyraKabam Lyra Member Posts: 2,936 ★★★★
    Going to close this out as the question has already been answered and the thread is no longer constructive.
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