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Emma should immune to Reversed Controls

WhungWhung Posts: 36 ★
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Emma should immune to Reversed Controls

That’s what she should be able to do . At least in diamond form
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    WhungWhung Posts: 36 ★
    If jugg, magneto would immune to rev. Controls. Why Emma in diamond form can’t ?
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    Patchie93Patchie93 Posts: 1,898 ★★★★
    Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
    Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point
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    WhungWhung Posts: 36 ★
    From wiki

    In this diamond state, Frost is unable to access her psychic powers due to suppression by her diamond form's adamantine luster.[122] As a result, Emma is also granted total telepathic immunity while in diamond form.[118][123] Her diamond form is also stated to emit low-level ultraviolet light, causing it to glow in darkness.[122]


    Actually. Rev controls is not a big thing before. No one care about it. But as map7 come out.

    Hope kabam will give her this ability that she is totally should be able to have.

    So we would have more choice to run that path without robot. Thx
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    Jh_DezJh_Dez Posts: 1,306 ★★★
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    The_Unknown wrote: »
    Patchie93 wrote: »
    Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
    Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point

    Did you watch First Class? She was fully immune when Charles' tried to read her mind while in diamond form, Erik had to strangle her until she switched back to her normal form.

    Oh boy... Those movies are by far the worst source material one could use for anything.

    It has been stated and shown again and again that mind powers (like emma frost's, professor xavier's, jean grey's, etc.) in the marvel universe can be overpowered by a stronger mind.
    So... Why not take some better source material, shall we? In all new all different x-men emma frost exists alongside two clones or copies of herself. Three fully functional albeit young emmas. And they can influence eachothers minds.

    Magneto and juggernaut wear special helmets to prevent Xavier from meddling with their minds.
    Jean grey is the only champ that comes to my mind that should be immunr really. She's already more powerful than emma, but the pheonix force pushes her mind powers through the roof.

    To clear this up: comics > mcoc > x-men movies

    Those x-men movies are brand spin offs, not original and canonical marvel content. What happens in the cinematic off brand x-men universe has no bearing on the main marvel multiverse of which the contest of champions is an actual part.

    Comic wise, Emma in diamond form is immune to telepathic attacks and also can't use hers. The movie is right
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    Yellow8FellowYellow8Fellow Posts: 186 ★★
    Shouldn't symbiotes be immune to telepathy? The symbiote have a telepathic connection to their hosts so they should be able to fight off other telepaths. Also if they are able to shutdown the host's mind, the symbiote would take over the body and fight in it's place.
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    Only_AlonerOnly_Aloner Posts: 141 ★
    edited February 2019
    Strength of champions on contest of champions has suppressed from iso8
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    dot_dittodot_ditto Posts: 1,442 ★★★★
    In truth, there's a lot of champs that "should" be immune to their own abilities:

    (I'm talking mirror matches here ... )

    Emma Frost: As stated, pretty sure she's telepathic immune when in diamond form .. but could be wrong .. so arguable ..
    Electro: Seriously .. taking shock dmg ? this shouldn't happen .. he should be immune to his own passive . ;)
    Mephisto: Shouldn't be able to burn himself
    Ice Man: cold snap and frostbite on himself? O.o
    ...
    *shrug* ...

    not a big deal . but would be nice just for consistency sake .. :)

    At least they started realizing that with Havok and made him immune to his own plasma ...
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    Jh_DezJh_Dez Posts: 1,306 ★★★
    dot_ditto wrote: »
    In truth, there's a lot of champs that "should" be immune to their own abilities:

    (I'm talking mirror matches here ... )

    Emma Frost: As stated, pretty sure she's telepathic immune when in diamond form .. but could be wrong .. so arguable ..
    Electro: Seriously .. taking shock dmg ? this shouldn't happen .. he should be immune to his own passive . ;)
    Mephisto: Shouldn't be able to burn himself
    Ice Man: cold snap and frostbite on himself? O.o
    ...
    *shrug* ...

    not a big deal . but would be nice just for consistency sake .. :)

    At least they started realizing that with Havok and made him immune to his own plasma ...

    Didn't they re configure mephisto to gain power from another mephisto aura ?
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    hiddenblizzardhiddenblizzard Posts: 506 ★★
    Movies are pathetic source of information in Thor ragnarok movie he is the god of thunder still the taser chips hurt him how?
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    Jh_DezJh_Dez Posts: 1,306 ★★★
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    Jh_Dez wrote: »
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    The_Unknown wrote: »
    Patchie93 wrote: »
    Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
    Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point

    Did you watch First Class? She was fully immune when Charles' tried to read her mind while in diamond form, Erik had to strangle her until she switched back to her normal form.

    Oh boy... Those movies are by far the worst source material one could use for anything.

    It has been stated and shown again and again that mind powers (like emma frost's, professor xavier's, jean grey's, etc.) in the marvel universe can be overpowered by a stronger mind.
    So... Why not take some better source material, shall we? In all new all different x-men emma frost exists alongside two clones or copies of herself. Three fully functional albeit young emmas. And they can influence eachothers minds.

    Magneto and juggernaut wear special helmets to prevent Xavier from meddling with their minds.
    Jean grey is the only champ that comes to my mind that should be immunr really. She's already more powerful than emma, but the pheonix force pushes her mind powers through the roof.

    To clear this up: comics > mcoc > x-men movies

    Those x-men movies are brand spin offs, not original and canonical marvel content. What happens in the cinematic off brand x-men universe has no bearing on the main marvel multiverse of which the contest of champions is an actual part.

    Comic wise, Emma in diamond form is immune to telepathic attacks and also can't use hers. The movie is right

    Comic wise how...? Comic wise she has no access to her telepathic abilities, while she's in her diamond form. That also leaves her vulnerable to other (powerful) telepaths.
    And her diamond form is a secondary mutation, which doesn't have anything to do with her first/main mutation, making her a omega level telepath, but even hinders her main abilities, since turning into organic diamond completely alters her physiology and even her character to some extend.

    There was one occasion pretty much right after she got her secondary mutation, where she was able to still use her telepathic powers while being in her diamond form. I give you that.
    But after that it has been made clear that this is actually not possible for her under normal circumstances.

    The movie basically only took the core concept of "hot villainous telepath chick that can turn into diamond".
    And this is not even about the movie being good or bad. Comic books take years and sometimes even decades to fully flesh out a character's abilities.

    Letting her keep her telepathic powers while in diamond form in the movie wasn't a bad choice, but it solely served the purpose of magneto being able to be the bad cop.
    But let's face it, the whole scene was ridiculous. Whether she's still telepathic or not, in her diamond form she's more durable than frickin colossus. It's flexible organic diamond. If it's flexible enough to move as if it was standard human tissue, why would it crack and shatter...? Diamonds have structural weak points due to their molecular structure. They're extremely hard, but hit the right spot with a hammer and the whole thing basically crumbles into dust.
    She would just need to fall over and hit a stone, table or what have you in a bad spot and she'd be like "well, guess I'm emma dust from now on".

    My point stands, the movies are a bad source to discuss characters out of said movies.

    Although not a perfect representation of her immunity, you'll notice that older Jean baited Emma to drop her diamond form before possessing her

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    ReferenceReference Posts: 2,899 ★★★★★
    Actually this kind of thing is always debatable but I do agreed with OP's point
    According to Fandom on Emma's mind control capability:
    Telepathic Immunity - In her diamond form Emma becomes immune to telepathic attacks, not even Charles Xavier could penetrate her mind.

    Telepathy: Emma has displayed the telepathic standards of broadcasting and receiving thoughts, mind-control, and altering perceptions and memories. It appeared she was an even stronger telepath than Charles Xavier at the time. However, since Xavier has been honing his telepathy over the years, which is now strong enough without the aid of Cerebro, his telepathy is probably superior to Emma Frost’s.

    Psionic/Mental Blast: Emma can produce telepathic blasts which can induce pain or knock out a person. Magneto suffered great mental pain from Emma's Psionic Blast, whereas Professor X only showed some level of pain or discomfort when trying to enter Emma's mind.
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    John757John757 Posts: 1,085 ★★★
    Hawkeye should break his hand every time he hits colossas
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    Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Posts: 7,185 ★★★★★
    Whung wrote: »
    Plz watch movie and wiki for her ability. Dude.

    What happens in the movies is of little bearing on what happens in the game. This is true of most champs, such as the ones that fly but are still impacted by Quake's aftershocks, or Ghost Rider not being immune to poison . . . we could spend all day on these things. Anyway Emma is nearly immune to everything, so she needs a flaw, and I suspect the one you're concerned about doesn't come up often.
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    jojodeth101jojodeth101 Posts: 480 ★
    well if Emma is immune to reverse controls than Ghost rider should be immune to incinerate, Ice-man should be immune to frost bite, ect.
    The community would be upset about alot of things
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    hiddenblizzardhiddenblizzard Posts: 506 ★★
    https://youtu.be/5Dqg60CMMtc check this out where Charles try to control Emma's mind but she was in diamond form
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    Jh_DezJh_Dez Posts: 1,306 ★★★
    Too
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    Jh_Dez wrote: »
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    Jh_Dez wrote: »
    UmbertoDelRio wrote: »
    The_Unknown wrote: »
    Patchie93 wrote: »
    Because magneto and Juggs helmets were made and designed to protect them specifically from mind control.
    Emma may have mental abilities but as stated before doesn't mean she is safe from others mind control. Actually I believe when she is in diamond form she is most.vulnerable to it as she can't use her abilities to defend her own mind at that point

    Did you watch First Class? She was fully immune when Charles' tried to read her mind while in diamond form, Erik had to strangle her until she switched back to her normal form.

    Oh boy... Those movies are by far the worst source material one could use for anything.

    It has been stated and shown again and again that mind powers (like emma frost's, professor xavier's, jean grey's, etc.) in the marvel universe can be overpowered by a stronger mind.
    So... Why not take some better source material, shall we? In all new all different x-men emma frost exists alongside two clones or copies of herself. Three fully functional albeit young emmas. And they can influence eachothers minds.

    Magneto and juggernaut wear special helmets to prevent Xavier from meddling with their minds.
    Jean grey is the only champ that comes to my mind that should be immunr really. She's already more powerful than emma, but the pheonix force pushes her mind powers through the roof.

    To clear this up: comics > mcoc > x-men movies

    Those x-men movies are brand spin offs, not original and canonical marvel content. What happens in the cinematic off brand x-men universe has no bearing on the main marvel multiverse of which the contest of champions is an actual part.

    Comic wise, Emma in diamond form is immune to telepathic attacks and also can't use hers. The movie is right

    Comic wise how...? Comic wise she has no access to her telepathic abilities, while she's in her diamond form. That also leaves her vulnerable to other (powerful) telepaths.
    And her diamond form is a secondary mutation, which doesn't have anything to do with her first/main mutation, making her a omega level telepath, but even hinders her main abilities, since turning into organic diamond completely alters her physiology and even her character to some extend.

    There was one occasion pretty much right after she got her secondary mutation, where she was able to still use her telepathic powers while being in her diamond form. I give you that.
    But after that it has been made clear that this is actually not possible for her under normal circumstances.

    The movie basically only took the core concept of "hot villainous telepath chick that can turn into diamond".
    And this is not even about the movie being good or bad. Comic books take years and sometimes even decades to fully flesh out a character's abilities.

    Letting her keep her telepathic powers while in diamond form in the movie wasn't a bad choice, but it solely served the purpose of magneto being able to be the bad cop.
    But let's face it, the whole scene was ridiculous. Whether she's still telepathic or not, in her diamond form she's more durable than frickin colossus. It's flexible organic diamond. If it's flexible enough to move as if it was standard human tissue, why would it crack and shatter...? Diamonds have structural weak points due to their molecular structure. They're extremely hard, but hit the right spot with a hammer and the whole thing basically crumbles into dust.
    She would just need to fall over and hit a stone, table or what have you in a bad spot and she'd be like "well, guess I'm emma dust from now on".

    My point stands, the movies are a bad source to discuss characters out of said movies.

    Although not a perfect representation of her immunity, you'll notice that older Jean baited Emma to drop her diamond form before possessing her

    ea8st9ikd8yp.jpg
    488xcc0t9lff.jpg

    I mean... What is that supposed to show in the context of our conversation exactly? That looks more like some kind of an astral projection, which both emma and jean are capable of producing/using.
    That technique is part of the repertoire of many telepaths/psychics and not just a sorcerer thing.
    This could also be interpreted as jean not being able to attack/enter emma's body while it's in diamond form, due to her physiology.
    Look, it is clearly stated how emma's telepathic/psychic powers are prohibited by her diamond form. It is shown and stated in many occasions how defending against a telepathic/psychic opponent is just as much of an active ability as attacking someone with telepathic/psychic powers.
    Not having access to your telepathic/psychic powers, due to any given reason also leaves you open for attacks of that sort.
    I'm definitely open for being corrected, but there needs to be something to chew on. Something that clearly and obviously suggests or at least implies how emma is (not able to perform any telepathic/psychic acts, but is still) able to defend herself against such attacks, while in her diamond form.

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    Another scan where her telepathic immunity has been referenced
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    VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Reversed control also come from the chaos infinity stone. She shouldn't be immune to that
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    StewmanStewman Posts: 735 ★★★
    Not to split hairs, but if her telepathy powers are suppressed in diamond form she shouldn't invert your controls when she throws a special when in diamond form.
    But how much of a pain would that be to keep track of??
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    VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Stewman wrote: »
    Not to split hairs, but if her telepathy powers are suppressed in diamond form she shouldn't invert your controls when she throws a special when in diamond form.
    But how much of a pain would that be to keep track of??

    She cant throw specials in diamond form. She goes to telepath form during specials
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    StewmanStewman Posts: 735 ★★★

    Voltolos wrote: »
    Stewman wrote: »
    Not to split hairs, but if her telepathy powers are suppressed in diamond form she shouldn't invert your controls when she throws a special when in diamond form.
    But how much of a pain would that be to keep track of??

    She cant throw specials in diamond form. She goes to telepath form during specials

    OH. See I didn't know that.
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