Thanks. Finally. At 0:08 Wolvie dashes back because his first two hits missed. So its not exclusive to ghost
So just one instance and you made your decision? No wonder you were so skeptical and narrow-minded. Thats why people like you believe everything you see even if its just 1/100th of the story.
AI is behaving different for 'miss' but look at ghost fights at 11:30. AI does MLL and then dashes back even WHEN PHASE IS NOT UP!
'Weird' behavior is more prevalent against Ghost and there is no doubt you can say no to that
Just saw the clip and at the ghost fight, and I agree with you
The ai change is not exclusive to ghost, hood can suffer the same issue. In the video below, you can see the opponent dash back as soon as a single miss occurs. Towards the end, when I finally get a chance to counter, she parries my hit.
The ai change is not exclusive to ghost, hood can suffer the same issue. In the video below, you can see the opponent dash back as soon as a single miss occurs. Towards the end, when I finally get a chance to counter, she parries my hit.
Im long time ghost player, she is my main champion and i can definitely agree something is happening. after all these videos and my own testing in past 2 days I came to conclusion that they actually shortened recovery time of AI between light attacks or generally after light attack (what ever action follows that light attack will happen faster then usual) And thats some shady BS here but this isnt first time that kabam do something shady. thing that bothers me the most is their message 'we didnt make any changes to ghost or AI' and they clearly did. Thats just disgusting lie directly in face and its so rude. smh.
Im long time ghost player, she is my main champion and i can definitely agree something is happening. after all these videos and my own testing in past 2 days I came to conclusion that they actually shortened recovery time of AI between light attacks or generally after light attack (what ever action follows that light attack will happen faster then usual) And thats some shady BS here but this isnt first time that kabam do something shady. thing that bothers me the most is their message 'we didnt make any changes to ghost or AI' and they clearly did. Thats just disgusting lie directly in face and its so rude. smh.
And tell us when can we 'go in' to counter those champs. There has to be some opening, its not like its unpunishable or something
I don't have gost, but yesterday my opponent (fury event) intercepted my light attack with a special at very close proximity (like, end combo and both insta-block proximity), and before i attacked we were both holding block. Never seen that before. Seems to me like ai reaction time decreased. But i will accept any other explaination if i'm wrong. Just thought it was similar to what you ghost players are complaining about (i would love to have a ghost). Also this would fit with kabam said:they don't change ai to counter specific champs, they changed ai for anyone and it just affected very heavily ghost.
Can any of you give us an update on Ghost or AI changes? Last we heard you were “double checking.” Can we please have a timeline on when this will be resolved? I’m stuck in AQ due to this issue. Would you spend your hard earned dollars on a product that doesn’t work? Doubt it....
Another Ghost user here, first time I write in the forums in 4 years of game play. Using an iPhone X, IOS 12.1.4.
I agree there's something not working the same as before since the last update, but even if the AI did change, perhaps there are other root causes.
Testing with some champs, and letting the AI finish a combo on my block with their medium attack, then attacking immediately, I am being blocked and parried. This doesn't happen always now, but never happened before unless I was very slow attacking.
In other duels, I've been parried mid combo, and apparently I am able to do the same. In the past, this happened every once in a while and was not consistent: the pj was locked in blocked position most of the combo and I was able sometimes to squeeze a parry in after the 3rd hit. Now I am even being interrupted mid combo with a special. Of course, it could be my own fault as well. Moving on...
Now, from my non-expert perspective, looks like the frame advantage has decreased across the board. In some instances where we had positive one, like in Ghost phase intercept against light attacks, I no longer have the frame advantage in favor. I am parried if the AI chooses to block, or I whiff if the AI chooses to dash back. Only if the AI decides to commit and follow through with another attack I can still connect in the start-up phase of the movement.
I tried with light phase intercepts as it has less start-up frames than a medium, but the results were the same. Not reliable at best. Can't risk this in war.
The only strategy left is punishing the dash attack/first medium, which cripples Ghost power gain and renders the sig ability (almost) useless.
Not sure if the issue is the game physics engine, dropped frames in the recovery phase, AI, all of the above, and to be honest I don't care. I could adapt my gameplay I suppose, did it just fine in the last war, but... if there's no fix (if it was not intended), no acknowledgement and communication from the game dev or mods team I'm afraid I will be moving on. Everybody has a breaking point.
Couldn't agree with you more @Mord. Ghost was my third 5* r5 champ and I took her up right before the update. Enjoyed her so much before, was starting to do better in war with her (tier 5/6, gold 1). Brought her into the first war after the update and whatever Kabam did to the AI got me parried three times in three different fights. I have never been so frustrated in a war and now it's at the point where I'm considering leaving after three plus years of this game. @Kabam Miike@Kabam Zibiit fix this or address it. This is not cool.
All these people are saying ghost is bugged,, the ai has fully changed in eq war,, the labrynth,, just brutal to not say anything was going to change or has changed on kabams part,, atleast be honest,, the game doesn’t just fully change withought any of the developers being aware,, you are all fully aware so what is up ,, if u played the game the day before and the day after on any skilled opponent it would take you ten seconds to realize the recovery is 3 times as fast,, ghost you can just see it right away,, i imagine it’s changed for good since you apparently don’t think anything has changed but atleast have a post saying what happened cause the whole community can see it..I have never even seen the ai get dexterity before this update,,
I feel so meh about the game right now. I normally would have been all over this t5b offer. Wasn’t even remotely tempted this time. I don’t feel good about that, but I don’t know. I guess it’s just that, I could complete t5b and get my 3rd r5, but then they could just mess with that champ and deny it. GG’s to me too, I guess.
@Bferg11 They dont do that. Can you guys just stop saying that this happens all the time because it doesnt
They have done this before with Drax. And the reason why it kinda went under the radar is not many people ranked up Drax because he isn't a game changer like ghost.
No word yet huh it's really random for me I've definitely not tried her in war since I don't wanna try and find out but yes I was going against this eq wolverine and he recovered so quick from missing his medium and light so RIP ghost it was fun while it lasted
@Kabam Miike@Kabam Zibiit another reason why this is frustrating is because you have already started to make good counters to Ghost. Havok gets less damage from crits, Mr. Sinister recovers health after getting hit with a crit, Nick Fury can hit Ghost while phasing, and new Captain Marvel can place an armor break even when blocking. All great champs and a good way to balance the game. For me and some other people I spent resources to rank up Ghost to rank five. I used an awakening gem as well as a lot of sig stones to boost her up. Please respond.
Yeah. Challenges make the game fun. Unfair and avoidable parries and dex’s That register while animation still shows them mid punch or stunned, missed sp’s ONLY for your champ takes the fun out of the challenge. And if there was a way to guarantee this is a fluque that won’t be happening as a general practice, then I’d be fine. But it’s already happened before as well. This is ALREADY a general practice of this company. Takes the fun RIGHT OUT OF RANKING UP CHAMPIONS.
so @Kabam Miike@Kabam Zibiit any update to this. Theres plenty of obvious video evidence that the silent AI change is serverly affecting ghost players. Any updates on where this is going? I'd love to know what to expect when i take ghost into aw after using a ton of resources on her. Any new news would be appriciated.
This is kabam, just emailed yesterday to support and sent them all the material asked me but they only told me I have not sent anything. I resent all twice again but nothing, noone answer me.
I am not quite sure about this, but I found that the AI in LOL(labyrinth of legend) just acts like what it previously acts, instead of how it is acting now. You can try that, maybe AI in LOL and ROL isn't updated or influenced. BTW, I think AI in ROL is of older version than LOL.
Seems to me now, the more often I use Ghost - the more frequently an opponent will just dash back as soon as I phase, and then just wait it out. I just 4/55 Ghost maybe a week before the update, and now I feel like the champion is not performing at all like she has been for the past 9 months or so. This is very obvious in all areas of gameplay, and has been since the first time I played her on the day of the new update. I will not be spending a penny more on this game until it’s been addressed and/or resolved.
Come on Kabam. Are you really telling us that this is just something that miraculously is happening to everyone? You just change a huge thing about one of the best champions and pretend not to? Some of us worked our asses off for this champion. I payed money to get her and then to rank her up. Then now you take our top champ and Nerf em without even admitting to it? It's costing us revives which I get that you don't care about. But I personally spent cash, not credit, but hard earned cash to get a chance to open her and awaken her. Not counting the amount of money spent getting Class Cats, Basics, and T2 Alpha. This isn't like the 12.0. no one had a 5* SW, Wolverine, Thor, or Dr. Strange. This wasn't as much MONEY spent to getting this champion ranked to be as strong as Ghost. Someone that took real skill to master. At least fess up to what happened here. And if you guys honestly don't know what happened then at least tell us you're trying to fix it. This is my top champ you're messing with here.
Come on Kabam. Are you really telling us that this is just something that miraculously is happening to everyone? You just change a huge thing about one of the best champions and pretend not to? Some of us worked our asses off for this champion. I payed money to get her and then to rank her up. Then now you take our top champ and Nerf em without even admitting to it? It's costing us revives which I get that you don't care about. But I personally spent cash, not credit, but hard earned cash to get a chance to open her and awaken her. Not counting the amount of money spent getting Class Cats, Basics, and T2 Alpha. This isn't like the 12.0. no one had a 5* SW, Wolverine, Thor, or Dr. Strange. This wasn't as much MONEY spent to getting this champion ranked to be as strong as Ghost. Someone that took real skill to master. At least fess up to what happened here. And if you guys honestly don't know what happened then at least tell us you're trying to fix it. This is my top champ you're messing with here.
She was my third ever 5 star which I pulled 2 months ago and was the first one I got to rank 3. They're just ignoring us until this blows over, but it won't.
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Check this. The AI behaves weird EVEN when hitting ghost normally. 11:30 for ghost part
Can any of you give us an update on Ghost or AI changes? Last we heard you were “double checking.” Can we please have a timeline on when this will be resolved? I’m stuck in AQ due to this issue. Would you spend your hard earned dollars on a product that doesn’t work? Doubt it....
Another Ghost user here, first time I write in the forums in 4 years of game play. Using an iPhone X, IOS 12.1.4.
I agree there's something not working the same as before since the last update, but even if the AI did change, perhaps there are other root causes.
Testing with some champs, and letting the AI finish a combo on my block with their medium attack, then attacking immediately, I am being blocked and parried. This doesn't happen always now, but never happened before unless I was very slow attacking.
In other duels, I've been parried mid combo, and apparently I am able to do the same. In the past, this happened every once in a while and was not consistent: the pj was locked in blocked position most of the combo and I was able sometimes to squeeze a parry in after the 3rd hit. Now I am even being interrupted mid combo with a special. Of course, it could be my own fault as well. Moving on...
Now, from my non-expert perspective, looks like the frame advantage has decreased across the board. In some instances where we had positive one, like in Ghost phase intercept against light attacks, I no longer have the frame advantage in favor. I am parried if the AI chooses to block, or I whiff if the AI chooses to dash back. Only if the AI decides to commit and follow through with another attack I can still connect in the start-up phase of the movement.
I tried with light phase intercepts as it has less start-up frames than a medium, but the results were the same. Not reliable at best. Can't risk this in war.
The only strategy left is punishing the dash attack/first medium, which cripples Ghost power gain and renders the sig ability (almost) useless.
Not sure if the issue is the game physics engine, dropped frames in the recovery phase, AI, all of the above, and to be honest I don't care. I could adapt my gameplay I suppose, did it just fine in the last war, but... if there's no fix (if it was not intended), no acknowledgement and communication from the game dev or mods team I'm afraid I will be moving on. Everybody has a breaking point.
Hopefully we will have some answers soon
Peace.
They dont do that. Can you guys just stop saying that this happens all the time because it doesnt
I feel so meh about the game right now. I normally would have been all over this t5b offer. Wasn’t even remotely tempted this time. I don’t feel good about that, but I don’t know. I guess it’s just that, I could complete t5b and get my 3rd r5, but then they could just mess with that champ and deny it. GG’s to me too, I guess.
Meh.....
@Mike12867 your videos are awesome and thank you for capturing these moments. We need an explanation now @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit
I resent all twice again but nothing, noone answer me.
You can try that, maybe AI in LOL and ROL isn't updated or influenced. BTW, I think AI in ROL is of older version than LOL.