Gifting Badge Discussion [Merged Threads]

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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 4,668

    Does anyone know if we will be reimbursed for our gifting badges? We paid $30 for them and only received $10 worth of units at 300 units! Anyone know if there are plans to reimburse us fully for this loss. Also I have multiple accts that I purchased the gifting badge for and I only received 300 units on 1 acct. I understand there are always a few bad eggs to spoil the bunch however I feel it would be fair and proper to get just compensation ladies and gentlemen. If anyone could help with any of these answers I’d be greatly appreciative!! Thank you and happy gaming!

    It wasn't just a few "bad eggs". You won't get a refund since the badge was free with the purchase.

  • As you can see the gifting badge is clearly an add on to the regular unit deal. Since this add on did not increase the price of the standard offer it is attached too that makes it free

    Actually what you show makes it a limited offer package deal. If you want/need to return it you would have to return the whole thing, units and all. Which is what we should have the option of doing for a refund.

  • Aoddv1Aoddv1 Posts: 24
    Personally I’m in the frame of mind that yeah I paid a one time cost for something that I did use and has saved me more times than i can count from being **** from the completion of events. To add more than likely every one used the units that were assigned to the pack we got that would of been the real reason we got the pack in the first place because let’s be honest we ain’t saints that payed 40$ to help others beat the game at the same time we were doing wars trying to stop people beating content tho it does make us liked more it’s not a question even asked when joining an alliance if you have the badge to be honest 300 free units is fine I had that thing 4 years and saved more than 49$
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 4,668


    As you can see the gifting badge is clearly an add on to the regular unit deal. Since this add on did not increase the price of the standard offer it is attached too that makes it free

    Actually what you show makes it a limited offer package deal. If you want/need to return it you would have to return the whole thing, units and all. Which is what we should have the option of doing for a refund.

    No
  • AndiYTDEAndiYTDE Posts: 203
    Something else. Let´s say (and I disagree on that point) that they have valued the badge to be worth 300 units. Doesn´t that mean that the first time you buy one of those offers now they should include 300 additional units?
  • Another action.. another 33 pages of forum outrage..
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,226
    AndiYTDE said:

    Something else. Let´s say (and I disagree on that point) that they have valued the badge to be worth 300 units. Doesn´t that mean that the first time you buy one of those offers now they should include 300 additional units?

    They didn't value the badge at 300 units.
    They valued it at zero and gave you 300 units as a were sorry gift actually.if you read what they said
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 4,668
    AndiYTDE said:

    Something else. Let´s say (and I disagree on that point) that they have valued the badge to be worth 300 units. Doesn´t that mean that the first time you buy one of those offers now they should include 300 additional units?

    What? The badge isn't available to buy. The 300 units is comp for not being able to use the ability. Stop trying to add useless comments to the fire.
  • Zuko_ILCZuko_ILC Posts: 818


    As you can see the gifting badge is clearly an add on to the regular unit deal. Since this add on did not increase the price of the standard offer it is attached too that makes it free

    While that is true you get more units and a better deal with the Odin purchase, the only reason to really but the $30 deal is to get the gifting badge. At the end of the day this has 0 impact to me but I often gifted items to friends to finish content like aq, aw and LOL. I feel like this will end up making more people not want to play certain content if they have to pay for it but I do understand not allowing fraud to be committed and taking responsibility for it.
  • Fred_JoeityFred_Joeity Posts: 415
    A few things that keep popping up:
    - “I want a refund, no matter how impossible such an endeavour is”
    - “I deserve a 10* champion for what is (hopefully) just a temporary suspension”
    - “I paid $30 for a gifting badge, so I deserve $30 worth of units on top of the $30 worth I already got in the package”
    - “The badge was worth $100000000 to me, who cares how much I legally paid for it? I deserve $200000000 for my trouble”

    I know I’m being a bit harsh and over exaggerating things, but can we have a reasonable discussion with new ideas instead of the same spamming over and over?
  • PgalPgal Posts: 4
    Exactly where does it state that the badge was an add-on? If it's the main reason people bought the offer, it should not be treated as such.
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,226
    Pgal said:

    Exactly where does it state that the badge was an add-on? If it's the main reason people bought the offer, it should not be treated as such.

    Doesnt directly say it.
    But before the badge existed and after it was removed the price of 850 units has never changed.

    So the item directly added didnt change the value of said offer. Which dies in gavy make it an add on.


    That's just business and sales knowledge.
  • zeezee57zeezee57 Posts: 1,285


    As you can see the gifting badge is clearly an add on to the regular unit deal. Since this add on did not increase the price of the standard offer it is attached too that makes it free

    I'm sorry but to pretend there's no context here outside of "hey look you got a free gift with your units purchase" is about as disingenuous as it gets. I'm aware that my responding to this post is pointless but playing ignorant like this should be called out when it occurs. Was the badge available free without purchase? We're players who wanted a gifting badge and thus purchased the unit pack really buying units and just happened to be fortunate to have a badge given to them or is there more to it than that? If you're response remains the same then it's obvious you have no intent in an honest discussion of the issues here and as such there's no point in you taking part here.

    I'm not of the opinion that Kabam did something wrong in removing gifting to shut down fraud, but I do think they could have handled things better with their consumers.
  • CommonSenseCommonSense Posts: 12
    It is what it is, the TOS has it covered.
  • Hdj2Hdj2 Posts: 37
    edited March 26
    For those that are asking why . It has nothing to do with legit people gifting each other revives, heals or energy watch this video



    It's about stuff like this and the others that havent been exposed yet
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 16,529
    Fjolnir said:

    OKAYGang said:

    BOSSXL said:

    Let’s keep this real. Resource Mercs farm battle chips from arenas on multiple accounts and then sell resources to players at a huge discount. Usually half price. You get $100 worth of resources for $50 sent thru paypal or other source. This does not require sharing passwords or account info and was entirely within the rules of the competition and gifting badges. Most resource mercs we’re playing by the rules. Some may have been using arena bots and some may have been purchasing units from stolen Or fraudulent methods. It’s possible. But the real takeaway should be how many people were purchasing these resources and take notice. It shows your pricing for these items is too high.

    You took steps to eliminate the resource drops for AQ. You created a conversion badge to compete with the mercs that join alliances, drop massive amounts of gold, battle chips and loyalty and then leave alliance. It was smart to offer the conversion badge and compete and provide better value. You should do the same thing with the resources from gifting. Slash the prices in half. Provide better value and you will not lose players by the thousands and possibly even gain new spending players and entice F2P players to open their wallets again.
    That is smart decision.
    This action effects blue collar players much more than any other segment. The whale alliances don’t really care about pricing. They don’t have to. This effect players willing to spend but not able to afford the pricing that you have set. I hope you take notice of this and make a move before the exodus.

    True story bro.
    I'm sorry, but nothing about that is true. Resource Mercs selling Resources for money is not, I repeat NOT, playing by the rules. It's actually illegal. Regardless of whether they Grinded for Units or not. The game is the digital property of Kabam. It is not for resale.
    Blaming the prices for illegal and illicit behavior is about as irreverent as it comes, and shows anything but a conscience about stealing. People are responsible for their own choice to steal. It's not justified by the price of things. Children learn at a very early age, don't take what doesn't belong to you. For some reason, that doesn't stick.
    That's not only the situation we are talking about. There is also Fraud happening that involves other people. No amount of gripe with the prices will make this behavior justifiable.
    It's flat-out sad that people are so unconscionable that they don't consider other people or the ramifications of their actions. They don't care as long as they make a quick buck and stick it to Kabam. Only, they stick it to themselves and everyone else in the end, and this is the direct result of that.
    It is not Kabam's fault it's come to this. It's people who played the system like a well-oiled flute.
    “Resource Mercs selling Resources for money is not, I repeat NOT, playing by the rules. It's actually illegal.”

    I, for one, am glad that we have a legal expert on the forums, Mr Grounded Wisdom.

    Can you please cite what law is being broken when someone purchases in game items from another’s person for $?

    You have to be joking, right?
    The part where Digital Copyrighted Property that belongs to Kabam is being sold for profit.
    Reselling Items in the game is illegal. No one has ownership of said Items to sell them.
    Honestly, that should be obvious. The fact that it's not makes me question many things.
  • Mr_Holl87Mr_Holl87 Posts: 37
    Lormif said:

    Drooped2 said:

    To be fair, I understand that people are upset. I'm not trying to snub them off. I'm just explaining what's going on so people understand. This was necessary. People were being scammed and frauded. That goes beyond just the monetary value in a multitude of ways.

    Correct I bought a gifting badge and got scammed because I dont have it.

    Fixing fraud by committing fraud? That's a new solution for sure
    This is not fraud, it is hardly even a bait and switch since the gifting badge had a value of 0


    People (Miike) need to stop saying the gifting badge has "no value". If it truly had no value, it would have been included in base game as a FREE feature from the beginning. But it wasn't. It was locked behind a $30 pay wall, hence its value is $30.

    For people saying "you got the 850 units when you got the badge, the badge was a bonus". Again, most of us bought the unit bundle FOR the badge, we paid $30 FOR THE BADGE. The 850 units were the bonus. Either way, we paid for and agreed upon a service and a bonus, and now the service has been taken, thus, equivalent compensation IS required.
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,226
    Mr_Holl87 said:

    Lormif said:

    Drooped2 said:

    To be fair, I understand that people are upset. I'm not trying to snub them off. I'm just explaining what's going on so people understand. This was necessary. People were being scammed and frauded. That goes beyond just the monetary value in a multitude of ways.

    Correct I bought a gifting badge and got scammed because I dont have it.

    Fixing fraud by committing fraud? That's a new solution for sure
    This is not fraud, it is hardly even a bait and switch since the gifting badge had a value of 0


    People (Miike) need to stop saying the gifting badge has "no value". If it truly had no value, it would have been included in base game as a FREE feature from the beginning. But it wasn't. It was locked behind a $30 pay wall, hence its value is $30.

    For people saying "you got the 850 units when you got the badge, the badge was a bonus". Again, most of us bought the unit bundle FOR the badge, we paid $30 FOR THE BADGE. The 850 units were the bonus. Either way, we paid for and agreed upon a service and a bonus, and now the service has been taken, thus, equivalent compensation IS required.
    You've never seen a store offer a free gift if you spend over (some random cash value before?)

  • Drooped2 said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    Something else. Let´s say (and I disagree on that point) that they have valued the badge to be worth 300 units. Doesn´t that mean that the first time you buy one of those offers now they should include 300 additional units?

    They didn't value the badge at 300 units.
    They valued it at zero and gave you 300 units as a were sorry gift actually.if you read what they said
    They valued the PACKAGE which included a permanent item, the badge. The proper return option is the ability to return the PACKAGE for a refund. People purchased a limited offer PACKAGE that included units and the badge. The option should be to return the entire thing for a refund of the purchase price of the offer.

  • Thank u sir/ma’am for that information. While I did get one free I believe the other 2 were only the conversion/gifting however ur information was exactly what I needed to know so I’d like to thank you again for that! Have a great day and happy gaming!
  • For Demonzfyre
  • DshuDshu Posts: 765
    Why do people keep responding to the same 4 pro kabam posters on this thread. Yes the compensation seems wrong. Yes we are not happy about losing the gifting badge. Yes kabam probably has a justification for removing the badge. It would make sense for a company to go above and beyond to try and keep their customer base happy but it has never been this company's way of dealing with things. Constantly responding to the same 4 pro everything kabam posters will not change this. Post your dissatisfaction and reason and wait for an official kabam employee to respond to this thread. No matter what argument you give these same people they will just continue to cut and paste the same response to fuel your anger. Don't waste your time by feeding their boredom
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,226
    edited March 26

    Drooped2 said:

    AndiYTDE said:

    Something else. Let´s say (and I disagree on that point) that they have valued the badge to be worth 300 units. Doesn´t that mean that the first time you buy one of those offers now they should include 300 additional units?

    They didn't value the badge at 300 units.
    They valued it at zero and gave you 300 units as a were sorry gift actually.if you read what they said
    They valued the PACKAGE which included a permanent item, the badge. The proper return option is the ability to return the PACKAGE for a refund. People purchased a limited offer PACKAGE that included units and the badge. The option should be to return the entire thing for a refund of the purchase price of the offer.

    I agree you should be able to return 1150 units for your money back. (Original purchase plus 300 gift)

    but since day 1 kabam had a no return type policy. So you cant you agreed to such policies when you bought it. (Those pesky TOS nobody reads)

    Also then comes the factor of what return policy is stores have based on time and all that nonsense.
    Ever try and return something you bought 2 years ago and used a ton?
    simply not globally accepted that you can
  • TheRealApocTheRealApoc Posts: 164
    Hdj2 said:

    For those that are asking why . It has nothing to do with legit people gifting each other revives, heals or energy watch this video



    It's about stuff like this and the others that havent been exposed yet

    They will probably pull this down but this is what has been going around after the ban for gifting has happened.
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,226

    Hdj2 said:

    For those that are asking why . It has nothing to do with legit people gifting each other revives, heals or energy watch this video



    It's about stuff like this and the others that havent been exposed yet

    They will probably pull this down but this is what has been going around after the ban for gifting has happened.
    Yup that service if you want to call it that has been around ages
  • Mr_Holl87Mr_Holl87 Posts: 37
    Hamin said:



    Ok... please explain the logic here. Isn't this when the abuse would be turned up to 11?

    EXCELLENT point! That just proves that Kabam only cares about the money in this case. They got people to buy the badge then took it away. Someone else pointed out that they wouldn't have taken it away during the holiday gifting event when people are dropping TONS of money to gift for alliance rewards.

    But here's the kicker, if I recall correctly, during those holiday gifting events, even players who did NOT purchase the gifting badge could temporarily send gifts. The gifting badge being taken away sounds PERMANENT, and now everyone who bought the badge can only gift when those who didn't buy the badge can. Only during certain events in game, only when Kabam allows it and only when Kabam can turn a HUGE profit by convincing people to spend more money on units to gift during these particular events. If everyone who bought the badge knew that someday they would ONLY be allowed to gift during special events when everyone else who didn't buy the badge can also, non of us would have bought the badge. It was permanent. It was a feature that Kabam got paid for. This is literally just all about more money.

    This is incredibly criminal. This IS bait and switch and this IS fraud on Kabam's part. This is appalling.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 16,529
    No. It is not criminal. It's what has come of Gifting, thanks to peoples' actions.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 16,529
    Also, Flagging every comment I make isn't going to make a difference. I'm not breaking any rules, and I could care less about the Points.
  • Mr_Holl87Mr_Holl87 Posts: 37
    Lormif said:

    Dshu said:

    Lormif said:

    Drooped2 said:

    To be fair, I understand that people are upset. I'm not trying to snub them off. I'm just explaining what's going on so people understand. This was necessary. People were being scammed and frauded. That goes beyond just the monetary value in a multitude of ways.

    Correct I bought a gifting badge and got scammed because I dont have it.

    Fixing fraud by committing fraud? That's a new solution for sure
    This is not fraud, it is hardly even a bait and switch since the gifting badge had a value of 0
    If the badge had a value of 0 why wasn't it available in game for purchase with units or added to all unit offers. It appears to be valued at 30 dollars since that is the only way to get it
    It is not valued at $30, 850 units is. As an added bonus you could get the free gifting badge. You get $30 value from the units and a FREE gifting badge.

    You still don't get it. The badge could ONLY be purchased through the $30 unit bundle. There was no other way to purchase it. Not a separate real world cash offer, not with units, not in game gold, not loyalty or battle chips. Literally no other way to obtain it but buy spending 30 real world dollars. It WAS valued at $30. PERIOD.
  • KpatrixKpatrix Posts: 916
    Seriously, think about how this scheme could be funding terrorism. Not only are we talking financial issues for people, those selling items via gifting badges could be using that money for weapons and bombs. The end of gifting is nowhere near as serious as the threat that it can cause.
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