Correction: Why Mutants are Overwhelming,

RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
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Mutants are one of the best classes in the game. Sure colossus might be trash, but thats how he is going to remain. Because of the green paper, he will only become a def tank. I mean, what can they do with armour up? The only decent armour up is iron man iw, but please, counter me in the comments if you want.

Also, mutants are one of the best classes in the game, and dont tell me that they need more in that catagory. Magneto has irritating ab accuracy reduct to tech, which pretty much makes him have an advantage towards tech anyways. Havok pure and simple oneshots people, domino is probably going to be nerfed, if not being silent nerfed at the moment. Sabertooth stacks fury, wolverine regens somuch that he is only a 4 star, archangel bleeds insanely, iceman is pretty much a tank with insane immunities, omega red is good with suicides, and has insane degen, bishop is very underrated, x23 good for labryinth, deapool regens, emma frost is also good with suicides and hits hard...

Need I say more? This is why mutants are already good.
Now I dont mean this in any offensive way, but really consider before you push the vote button.
#buffgroot
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  • SpiderCoolsSpiderCools Member Posts: 615 ★★★
    Ryanwhales said:

    Mutants are one of the best classes in the game. Sure colossus might be trash, but thats how he is going to remain. Because of the green paper, he will only become a def tank. I mean, what can they do with armour up? The only decent armour up is iron man iw, but please, counter me in the comments if you want.

    Also, mutants are one of the best classes in the game, and dont tell me that they need more in that catagory. Magneto has irritating ab accuracy reduct to tech, which pretty much makes him have an advantage towards tech anyways. Havok pure and simple oneshots people, domino is probably going to be nerfed, if not being silent nerfed at the moment. Sabertooth stacks fury, wolverine regens somuch that he is only a 4 star, archangel bleeds insanely, iceman is pretty much a tank with insane immunities, omega red is good with suicides, and has insane degen, bishop is very underrated, x23 good for labryinth, deapool regens, emma frost is also good with suicides and hits hard...

    Need I say more? This is why mutants are already good.
    Now I dont mean this in any offensive way, but really consider before you push the vote button.
    #buffgroot

    Yes because Medusa, Hyperion, and Corvus (just to name a few) aren't good cosmic champs. Poor cosmic class they are the worst class in the game
  • Ch1efsterCh1efster Member Posts: 477 ★★★
    edited May 2019
    SpiderCools said:


    Yes because Medusa, Hyperion, and Corvus (just to name a few) aren't good cosmic champs. Poor cosmic class they are the worst class in the game

    ....Thor, Angela, new Captain Marvel, Venom the Duck and Gamora, Carnage, Venom, which were all recently buffed.

    Groot was a close second for me on the list though. I currently have too many good cosmic 5*s to spread resources to right now.
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  • Chuck_Norris_16Chuck_Norris_16 Member Posts: 7
    Just be honest about it mate. You have a 5/6* Groot that is useless at the moment xD
    I voted Colossus because of that. Be honest.
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  • RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
    Well, the community is going towards colossus, so why even bother. They still want there to be trash pulls so ppl spend money but i dont think he will be even half decent.

    The only time that i think he will get kinda good is if he has indestructable and unstoppable, which would make sense. Im just saying he will get a high def rating and useless.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,068 ★★★★★
    edited May 2019
    Ryanwhales said:

    Well, the community is going towards colossus, so why even bother. They still want there to be trash pulls so ppl spend money but i dont think he will be even half decent.

    The only time that i think he will get kinda good is if he has indestructable and unstoppable, which would make sense. Im just saying he will get a high def rating and useless.

    They have reworked-
    Sentry
    Venom
    Carnage
    Gamora
    Red Hulk
    Luke Cage
    And polling for more changes. What about this effort to revamp champs considered trash says they want trash champs in the game?
  • SpiderCoolsSpiderCools Member Posts: 615 ★★★
    edited May 2019
    Ryanwhales said:

    Well, the community is going towards colossus, so why even bother. They still want there to be trash pulls so ppl spend money but i dont think he will be even half decent.

    The only time that i think he will get kinda good is if he has indestructable and unstoppable, which would make sense. Im just saying he will get a high def rating and useless.

    How about a bet? If he gets buffed and becomes a great champ then ur gonna have to sell all versions of him that you own. If he gets buffed and is still trash then I’ll sell my top 10 4* champs, and max out the trash tier champs.
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  • FhfjghhggggjfhfjgFhfjghhggggjfhfjg Member Posts: 4,492 ★★★★★
    Ryanwhales said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Would you rank 4 a 5 star Magneto ?

    Ha,
    Hes better on defense than offense, but he can do things like stop parry and all that.

    And his sp2 dmg is good, so maybe.
    Lol magneto is garbage on defence
  • Mathking13Mathking13 Member Posts: 988 ★★★
    I'm imagining at least a fairly annoying debuff on almost every hit for Colossus. He's a big metal boi after all. That's gonna do some funky stuff to whoever gets smacked by him...
    Sure I wouldn't expect anything too crazy or complex, but I don't think it'll just all revolve around just his armor ups, either.
  • Karatemike415Karatemike415 Member, Administrator, Content Creators Posts: 724 Content Creator
    SpiderCools said:

    Ryanwhales said:


    Also, mutants are one of the best classes in the game, and dont tell me that they need more in that catagory. Magneto has irritating ab accuracy reduct to tech, which pretty much makes him have an advantage towards tech anyways. Havok pure and simple oneshots people, domino is probably going to be nerfed, if not being silent nerfed at the moment. Sabertooth stacks fury, wolverine regens somuch that he is only a 4 star, archangel bleeds insanely, iceman is pretty much a tank with insane immunities, omega red is good with suicides, and has insane degen, bishop is very underrated, x23 good for labryinth, deapool regens, emma frost is also good with suicides and hits hard...

    I understand the argument that you're attempting to make - however the fact that you somehow managed to incorrectly describe almost every decent mutant character in the game proves to me that you're talking directly out of your backside.

    Magneto is trash - plain and simple. His AAR towards tech champions is one of the most useless in the game. He hits like a caterpillar and has arguably the easiest heavy in the game to counter; so it's difficult to parry him, but anyone with the smallest amount of skill can work around that.

    Havok does way more than "one-shot people." Havok & Sinister are currently arguably the two most annoying defenders in the game. If you don't have a genuine counter to Havok, you're going to be losing most of your health without even getting hit. Hey, you know who could possibly be a super great counter to that mechanic? Colossus.

    Domino is not going to be nerfed, and she isn't being silently nerfed. At all. Domino is a fantastic champion when you bring her full trinity into the fight, no one is arguing with that one.

    Sabretooth also has the potential to be great when paired with the proper synergies. Yeah - he stacks furies, but that's not all there is to it. His mechanics are entirely RNG dependent. If you hit the jackpot and gain 6 persistent charges, you're gonna have a great time - but very often you'll be stuck with 3-4, and have to ramp him up all over again. This is what's currently holding Sabretooth back compared to other, more consistent, hard hitters.

    Wolverine and Deadpool regen a bunch - whoop de doo. Currently, neither are available as a 5-star and shouldn't be brought into the current buff discussion because of that. But besides that point, Wolverine also has a very solid bleed making him a very viable option for Map 5 even as a 4 star.

    Archangel, this one you're really going off the rails, my friend. AA does WAY more than just "bleed insanely." You mentioned AAR for Magneto, but AA has arguably the best AAR in the entire game. At a high sig level, 3 stacks of neurotoxin and any and all abilities are absolutely shut off. At a low sig, you need 4 - still very very easy to make happen. Not even to mention that he stacks poisons on top of the bleeds like it's nobody's business.

    Bishop is underrated only if he is a 6-star with a full synergy team that consists of another Bishop as a 5-star. Bishop is pretty trash and arguably the worst champ of 2018 aside from Diablo.

    Iceman is way more than a "tank." Yes, he can tank SP3's, sure. But he stacks Coldsnap and Frostbite damage and then can detonate those charges for a MASSIVE amount of damage. He's also one of the only champs immune to incinerate.

    Emma Frost is way more than a suicide queen. If played correctly, EF is basically immune to everything. She's also a real pain in the butt on defense.

    X23, I'm really not too sure what LOL videos you've been watching, but she is just absolutely not a champ to bring into labyrinth. She stacks bleeds and regens like a champ though.

    Omega Red... This is the one that really got me. Omega Red is absolutely AMAZING with suicides, but also absolutely INCREDIBLE without them. In no way, shape, or form are suicides required to play Omega Red. Omega is the best Korg counter in the game. He can also counter Elektro, Magik, Thorn's paths, and any other champ that has BS damage that you take from attacking them. Not to mention he could regen an insane amount of health with his SP3.

    So there's that.
    My point, after all that, being - just because there are some incredible options in the Mutant class already, doesn't mean we can't fix the worst champion in the game simply because he happens to be a part of that same class. Yeah, Groot needs some love - but Corvus, Hyperion, Medusa, Proxima, VTD, & Venom are all better than most of the champions listed above (minus Domino, Omega Red, and Archangel).
    Colossus is simply the better choice for a buff here. Embrace the organic steel my friend.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,068 ★★★★★
    Drooped2 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Ryanwhales said:

    Well, the community is going towards colossus, so why even bother. They still want there to be trash pulls so ppl spend money but i dont think he will be even half decent.

    The only time that i think he will get kinda good is if he has indestructable and unstoppable, which would make sense. Im just saying he will get a high def rating and useless.

    They have reworked-
    Sentry
    Venom
    Carnage
    Gamora
    Red Hulk
    Luke Cage
    And polling for more changes. What about this effort to revamp champs considered trash says they want trash champs in the game?
    Magic was reworked at one time she was pretty weak before.
    All the reworks have been pretty solid champs in the end
    True. Hers was so long ago i completely forgot.
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  • RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
    Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

    Ryanwhales said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Would you rank 4 a 5 star Magneto ?

    Ha,
    Hes better on defense than offense, but he can do things like stop parry and all that.

    And his sp2 dmg is good, so maybe.
    Lol magneto is garbage on defence
    Never used ghost aganist magneto then i assume. Damage cap is pretty annoying
  • RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
    MedinaKhan said:

    Ryanwhales said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Would you rank 4 a 5 star Magneto ?

    Ha,
    Hes better on defense than offense, but he can do things like stop parry and all that.

    And his sp2 dmg is good, so maybe.
    I have a 6 star Mag. DO NOT R4 HIM
    Chu
    Chuck_Norris_16 said:

    Just be honest about it mate. You have a 5/6* Groot that is useless at the moment xD
    I voted Colossus because of that. Be honest.

    Chuck. Groot has regen. Colossus has armor up. Who wins that fight?
  • RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
    Chuck_Norris_16 said:

    Just be honest about it mate. You have a 5/6* Groot that is useless at the moment xD
    I voted Colossus because of that. Be honest.

    ...
    Yes Im salty about pulling a five star groot that other day,
    But that is irrelevant.
    Im just pointing out that mutants have a use,
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,068 ★★★★★
    Ryanwhales said:

    Chuck_Norris_16 said:

    Just be honest about it mate. You have a 5/6* Groot that is useless at the moment xD
    I voted Colossus because of that. Be honest.

    ...
    Yes Im salty about pulling a five star groot that other day,
    But that is irrelevant.
    Im just pointing out that mutants have a use,
    All champion classes have a use. But there isnt any defending Magneto in his current state. Most Tech champions easily defeat him. He only gets his AAR against metal champions IIRC.
    Skill- Blade gets danger sense against him and kills him easy.
    Tech- Starlord makes quick work of him.
    Cosmic- Corvus makes it easy and gets a mission.
    Science- He can't touch quake.
    Mystic- Magik limbos him to death.
    These just to name a few. Hes horrible as is.
  • RyanwhalesRyanwhales Member Posts: 60 ★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Ryanwhales said:

    Chuck_Norris_16 said:

    Just be honest about it mate. You have a 5/6* Groot that is useless at the moment xD
    I voted Colossus because of that. Be honest.

    ...
    Yes Im salty about pulling a five star groot that other day,
    But that is irrelevant.
    Im just pointing out that mutants have a use,
    All champion classes have a use. But there isnt any defending Magneto in his current state. Most Tech champions easily defeat him. He only gets his AAR against metal champions IIRC.
    Skill- Blade gets danger sense against him and kills him easy.
    Tech- Starlord makes quick work of him.
    Cosmic- Corvus makes it easy and gets a mission.
    Science- He can't touch quake.
    Mystic- Magik limbos him to death.
    These just to name a few. Hes horrible as is.
    Never said hes the best, just said metal champs kinda suck against him. Not even close to unbeatable but still could be a kinda annoying fight if hes really stacked his aar is increased by 100% and you can only use metal champs. But even then hes weak.
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