The Misunderstood King Groot - when and how to actually use him

Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
edited February 2018 in Strategy and Tips
Short Story: King Groot has high survivability with decent damage. (Read the rest to know how he deals decent damage and why he’s a survivor)

Longer Story:
King Groot is one of those champs that get a lot of **** from many people. And IMHO, it’s mainly because of misunderstanding when and how to use King Groot. So this is my attempt in sheding light to King Groot.

Expectation Setting
First of all, let’s set the expectations for King Groot. He is not god tier and he is not trash tier either. He’s more of path clearer and for special scenarios. If you want higher damage, go for other champs like x23 or wolverine. If you want decent damage and ability to regen and handle debuffs, King Groot is your guy.

King Groot’s mechanics:
King Groot gains (at least) 2 fury buffs for 12 seconds making his non-crits hit as hard as rocket racoon. And then 8 second cooldown. In the cooldown cycle, he probably has the worst damage in the game. In this cooldown cycle though, every hit he does or take can potentially have him gain more fury buffs on his next fury cycle. If he has 6 fury buffs, his non-crit will be twice as much as rocket racoon’s.

Survivability:
King Groot has 3 things going for him in this aspect. But his main points here would be regen and shruging off debuffs
1.) Bleed Immune
2.) Regen - King Groot needs to be awaken to fully maximise his survivability. When he’s cooling down from his furys, he regens about 10% of his life. On top of that, you can use his SP3 to regain up 10% of his HP (or 20% hp for the cost of 1 fury buff).
3.) Shrug of debuffs - he can shrug of debuffs for the cost of one fury buff. This includes parry stuns.

Decent Damage:
King Groot looks bad because of his pathetic base attack rating. But his non-crits actually hits as hard as rocket racoon’s everytime he has 2 fury buffs on.
1.) King Groot has the only character that can apply permanent armor break for the cost of 1 fury buff. And he can stack up to 8 armor breaks.
2.) His SP2 can deal poison damage. He can deal up to 2 posion stack (at the cost of 1 fury buff). 1 poison stack is comparable to dr voodoo’s posion with 2 loas (note: on practice, dr voodoo will still be able to deal more poison damage because he can spam more SP1 than KG spamming SP2)
3.) without fury buffs, he’s the worst damage dealer. With 2 fury buffs, his non-crit is as hard as rocket racoon’s (note RR has the highest base attack rating in the game). And with 6 fury buffs, his non-crit is 2x as hard as rocket racoon’s.

Use in the Game:
All in all, King Groot is a survivor with regen and debuff management. He’s excellent for clearing paths if your x23 or wolverine are busy elsewhere, or if you need a champ to handle debuffs.

Sample Special Usages in the Game:
* He’s excellent against the recent void uncollected event. He can shrug off half of the debuffs void applies.
* He’s also great against underdog magneto because he has such a high health pool and his ability to regen allows you to deal more bane damage.
* He’s also probably the anti-killmonger. His permanent armor break shuts down many of killmonger’s ability. And his regen and bleed immunity makes him forgiving of mistakes you make in the game.


Comments

  • @Tropical_Chris

    So here's a question for you. I recently opened a 5* King Groot. I already have an awakened 5* r4 hyperion. I have a cosmic awakening gem ready to go. Is he worth it? or should I save for Medusa or others?
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    @Primmer79 save for Medusa 😊
  • colbyscipio987colbyscipio987 Posts: 1,027 ★★
    I thought he was a decent champion already, it's just he hits so weak.
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    I thought he was a decent champion already, it's just he hits so weak.

    His damage is decent. Especially if you stack up on the fury stacks. Just dont expect high damage like Hyperion or Medusa. Or expect high damage on his regen period.
  • colbyscipio987colbyscipio987 Posts: 1,027 ★★
    I thought he was a decent champion already, it's just he hits so weak.

    His damage is decent. Especially if you stack up on the fury stacks. Just dont expect high damage like Hyperion or Medusa. Or expect high damage on his regen period.

    I mean when you put a armor break on your opponent, it takes away a fury and does the same damage basic.
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    I thought he was a decent champion already, it's just he hits so weak.

    His damage is decent. Especially if you stack up on the fury stacks. Just dont expect high damage like Hyperion or Medusa. Or expect high damage on his regen period.

    I mean when you put a armor break on your opponent, it takes away a fury and does the same damage basic.

    Yes, but it’ll be permanent and you’ll hit harder on your next fury cycle. He’s not good with short fights that way :-)
  • Has anyone here tried him on Node 24 for war in a decent tier?
  • @Tropical_Chris excellent writeup. He was my main AQ clearer for maps 5 and 6 for about a month. Wasn't the best, but he got the job done and he did grow on me. I've moved on from him, but he does have his use in AWD where he gets me kills from time to time.
  • colbyscipio987colbyscipio987 Posts: 1,027 ★★
    I thought he was a decent champion already, it's just he hits so weak.

    His damage is decent. Especially if you stack up on the fury stacks. Just dont expect high damage like Hyperion or Medusa. Or expect high damage on his regen period.

    I mean when you put a armor break on your opponent, it takes away a fury and does the same damage basic.

    Yes, but it’ll be permanent and you’ll hit harder on your next fury cycle. He’s not good with short fights that way :-)

    True and good point
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    Primmer79 wrote: »
    Has anyone here tried him on Node 24 for war in a decent tier?

    Forgot to mention, I dont recommend him in AW defense though. His permanent armor break gives anyone with willpower permanent regen as well.
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    @Tropical_Chris excellent writeup. He was my main AQ clearer for maps 5 and 6 for about a month. Wasn't the best, but he got the job done and he did grow on me. I've moved on from him, but he does have his use in AWD where he gets me kills from time to time.


    That’s interesting. Which nodes do you put him in? :smile:
  • @Tropical_Chris excellent writeup. He was my main AQ clearer for maps 5 and 6 for about a month. Wasn't the best, but he got the job done and he did grow on me. I've moved on from him, but he does have his use in AWD where he gets me kills from time to time.


    That’s interesting. Which nodes do you put him in? :smile:

    I was thinking node 24 for enhanced regen. 200% regen would be hell on KG.
  • Patchie93Patchie93 Posts: 1,318 ★★★
    I forget the node number but I like him on rolling thunder node just because fights with him normally take awhile so it gives him more damage to match his tankiness
  • HENRIQUE_FORTEHENRIQUE_FORTE Posts: 332 ★★
    I have a 5* KG. He is unduped. I suppose it's not worth R3 or R4, right? At least until he is not awaken?
  • HendrossHendross Posts: 233
    Great write-up. I just duped 5* KG and this is very encouraging.
  • beyonder8421beyonder8421 Posts: 882 ★★★
    Medusa is obviously better without being awakened (even more with royal family synergy). If I awaken KG, I will probably rank him up, as his regen seems pretty good.

    Nice post, perhaps you could do something similar with other underrated champs, like Karnak.
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    I have a 5* KG. He is unduped. I suppose it's not worth R3 or R4, right? At least until he is not awaken?

    He’s more of a specialised champ. It’s still better to reserve your T2As for god or demi-god tiers since T2As are rare. But if you have catalysts to spare you can take a duped KG to r3
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    Hendross wrote: »
    Great write-up. I just duped 5* KG and this is very encouraging.

    Wow nice! Would love to have one! :smile:

    You just need to set your expectations with him. Honestly, it took awhile till I used mine. I only started really using him when my Ghost Rider and X23 kept getting tied up in alliance events :smile:
  • Tropical_ChrisTropical_Chris Posts: 137
    Medusa is obviously better without being awakened (even more with royal family synergy). If I awaken KG, I will probably rank him up, as his regen seems pretty good.

    Nice post, perhaps you could do something similar with other underrated champs, like Karnak.

    I definitely agree that Medusa is better :smile: But King Groot has his uses as well in the game. And with cosmic synergy, you can extend that 12 second fury buff to almost 20 seconds :smile:

    Thanks. But I dont have a 4* Karnak and up. But I might do one for Kingpin :smile: Although I mentioned that King Groot was very useful against Uncollected Void and Underdog Magneto, my MVP for both was actually Kingpin :smile:
  • FhfjghhggggjfhfjgFhfjghhggggjfhfjg Posts: 3,488 ★★★★
    edited June 26
    Good to know. I guess I have some use for my 5* kg after all
  • Primmer79Primmer79 Posts: 2,745 Guardian

    Good to know. I guess I have some use for my 5* kg after all

    keep in mind this thread was during early 2018. The meta is a little different. there's a lot of champs that hit hard. KG is not among them. typically you can find a better champ for what you need.
  • BenQcSlayerBenQcSlayer Posts: 635 ★★★
    G’ad to see your enthousiasme about the big man King Groot
  • FhfjghhggggjfhfjgFhfjghhggggjfhfjg Posts: 3,488 ★★★★
    Primmer79 said:

    Good to know. I guess I have some use for my 5* kg after all

    keep in mind this thread was during early 2018. The meta is a little different. there's a lot of champs that hit hard. KG is not among them. typically you can find a better champ for what you need.
    True
  • RapRap Posts: 2,355 ★★★
    Cool down is 16 seconds not 8 and with a decient champ the fight is over in less than a minute. King Groot is garbage. He offers nothing against the current releases. He sluggish and weak and requires more work to win with than other champs with simular abilities.
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