What the heck is thi!! Useless War System

Kabam,

You really need to fix your War system. How can an Alliance loose, even after having 100% exploration vs the other alliance having less exploration?

I understand the points system, but some weightage has to be given on exploration boss kill etc?

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kus234

You forgot to read that we had higher exploration, infact 100%.. what about that.. I dont think this fair at any level..

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Snizzbar

Because attack bonus is more important than 0.6% exploration I think. It certainly got them more points.

Greywarden

Pretty simple math really. You barely edged them out in exploration, .6% exploration is worth 150 points and 11 attack bonus is 880 points. It's not like they beat you and killed less bosses or had 50% less exploration.....

LibertyPrimeV1

They also had more Defender Diversity

kus234

i think the point I am trying to make is, You take into account these Attack bonus or Diversity if u have tie, other wise it should be simple, Boss kill--> Exploration.. These points are not helping rather just a nuisance..

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Lormif

You forgot to read that we had higher exploration, infact 100%.. what about that.. I dont think this fair at any level..

They killed 1 less node than you did, but you lost killing things 11 times more than they did.

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Worknprogress

They died alot less. Pretty simple

Cain

Lmao, you guys died more, you lost 🤷🏼‍♂️. They missed like one node, it cost them 150 points.

Greywarden

i think the point I am trying to make is, You take into account these Attack bonus or Diversity if u have tie, other wise it should be simple, Boss kill--> Exploration.. These points are not helping rather just a nuisance..

There is no such thing as tie breaker when the points aren't close. They beat you pretty handily on bonus and had almost 1k more points than you. Take the L, do better next time and move on.

mike0179

Our alliance has learned the hard way diversity and attack bonus are just as important to winning war. You can't win having a bunch of the same defenders cause you get less points for diversity. If you can't beat the other alliances defenders on the first 3 tries you don't get attack bonuses and those add up. Try try try again.

dot_ditto

Because attack bonus is more important than 0.6% exploration I think. It certainly got them more points.

I'm actually interested in this point .. I see that stat, but how is it calculated ? how do you "boost" it as you play ?

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kus234

I understand everyone point of view.. but again my argument is even after 100% exploration we loose vs the other alliance not even completing just does not make sense.. maybe I dont have a good solution but the point is everywhere else exploration matters.. like AQ or quests, why not in War? In AQ the more we explore the more points and at 100% we get better prize.. why in War we treat Exploration as ****

mike0179

Because attack bonus is more important than 0.6% exploration I think. It certainly got them more points.
I'm actually interested in this point .. I see that stat, but how is it calculated ? how do you "boost" it as you play ?

If you beat a defender on the first try you get the full attack bonus. If you lose but win on the second try you get less and if you beat them on the third try, it's an even smaller bonus. After those three tries you lose out on the entire thing

SiriusBreak

@kus234 Unfortunately you're getting hung up on looking at 1 aspect of AW. Especially when there's only a 0.6% difference in exploration. The bulk of your points after exploration come from Attack Bonuses and Boss Kills. Diversity is a nice bonus, but not gonna be a life saver if you lost too many Attack Bonuses. Simply clearing the Map isn't enough if you're losing matches along the way. Gotta win the 1st round or suffer an 80 point loss each time you don't. 160 point loss for missing the mark twice on the same node. 240 point loss for missing it 3×. That stacks up QUICK. Which is the point of the Attack Bonus system.

The AW point system as is stands rewards winning. Which is the best way of doing it IMO. Punishment for losing more than 3× (i.e. Defense Kills giving points) ultimately is problematic. The way the system works now gives at MAX 186,150 points per war with 3 BGs. That's only achievable by getting 100% exploration, full attack bonuses (495), full diversity (150), 3 Boss kills, and no defenders dropped by the opposing Alliance. However, let's say the opposition drops all your defenders. Max you could achieve is 148,650 for a 3 BG war. If you started including Defender Kills giving points, there'd be no point cap per war. Which ultimately would create uneven ground in AW Seasons.

So my advice, focus on those attack bonuses! They're your AW bread and butter. That's how you win wars. Not losing fights along the way. However, you lost in attack bonus by 11, and diversity by 12. So while you gained a 150 point edge in exploration, and a 250 point edge in defenders remaining, it wasn't enough to out do the 1,240 points they had on you elsewhere. Leaving you 840 points shy of what they did. There's nothing wrong with the point system. It works wonderfully. Just need to up your attack game is all. Best of luck out there.

Raganator

Heck of a win SC Endgamers! Congrats!

DNA3000

You forgot to read that we had higher exploration, infact 100%.. what about that.. I dont think this fair at any level..

Honestly, I only think you think it is not fair because you lost. I suspect if the situation was reversed, you'd be here saying it was completely unfair that you had way more diversity and way more attack bonus but you were edged out by an alliance that just moved through one more node.

You asked about weighting. The various point sources are weighted. Boss kills are weighted extremely heavily: you get 20,000 points per boss kill. That's almost as much points as you get for full map exploration. Attack bonus is also weighted highly, because that is a measure of skillfully killing a node: you get more points for defeating a node without dying than you do for just walking through a node, which is what exploration counts.

The most important point sources, in order, are boss kills, defenders remaining, attack bonus, map exploration, and defender diversity. And I think most people would agree attack bonus should be worth more than map exploration, node by node.

You got 250 points for them leaving a defender alive and 150 points for them not exploring the node. That would have been enough to win if they didn't gain 12 more attack bonuses AND 12 more defender diversity points. Those are all weighted relatively low: 80 points per attack bonus and only 30 points per diversity point. But they had way more than you.

PawnyExpress

I understand everyone point of view.. but again my argument is even after 100% exploration we loose vs the other alliance not even completing just does not make sense.. maybe I dont have a good solution but the point is everywhere else exploration matters.. like AQ or quests, why not in War? In AQ the more we explore the more points and at 100% we get better prize.. why in War we treat Exploration as ****

You're just dense aren't ya?

DNA3000

I understand everyone point of view.. but again my argument is even after 100% exploration we loose vs the other alliance not even completing just does not make sense.. maybe I dont have a good solution but the point is everywhere else exploration matters.. like AQ or quests, why not in War? In AQ the more we explore the more points and at 100% we get better prize.. why in War we treat Exploration as ****

Because war is a competition. There's only two prizes in war: the winner gets one and the loser gets the other. AQ rewards for effort and progress: there's no way to "win" AQ: the more you do, the more you get. But in AW, there's no reward for fully exploring the map, there's no reward for killing the boss, there's no reward for placing defenders. Those are all means to an end of beating the other alliance.

REiiGN15

The other team used less revives than you

DNA3000

Because attack bonus is more important than 0.6% exploration I think. It certainly got them more points.
I'm actually interested in this point .. I see that stat, but how is it calculated ? how do you "boost" it as you play ?
If you beat a defender on the first try you get the full attack bonus. If you lose but win on the second try you get less and if you beat them on the third try, it's an even smaller bonus. After those three tries you lose out on the entire thing

I'm going to correct this a bit, because it is a point of confusion for many players. When the war begins, every node that you could theoretically place a defender on gets 240 attack bonus points put on it. Every time you die fighting on that node 80 points are taken away. When you pass through the node, you get however many are left.

In other words, if you kill the node without dying, you get 240. If you die once and then kill the node, you get 160. Then 80, then zero.

However, and this is the part some people don't understand, what happens if there's no defender there, because no one placed one? Well, the moment you step onto that node, you get 240 points. Why? Because you walked through/onto it without dying. It is that simple. And since there are 55 places you could place defenders and only 50 possible defenders with full participation, there are always at least five nodes that you will get the full 240 attack bonus points for. If, and this is important, you reach and walk onto the node.

So if the other side doesn't place defenders, they aren't robbing you of points. You'll get those attack bonus points whether they place or not. These points aren't earned by killing anything. They are earned by stepping onto a node, which happens if you kill the node or if you step onto it because there's nothing defending it.

Also, if there's a path you don't do, you can't get the attack bonuses from the empty nodes. The nodes might be empty, but you don't just get those points "automatically." You still have to walk onto the node.

This still confuses people, so it bears repeating: you get attack bonus when you step onto a "defender node" (a node you can place a defender onto, not portals or other things). You get the bonus whether there actually is a defender or not. But if there is a defender there, you lose 80 attack bonus points every time you die (or time out) until it reaches zero. It doesn't go lower than zero.

You should still kill it even if all your attack bonus is gone, because if you don't then first the other side gets 250 points for you leaving a defender alive, and second because you lose exploration points for not clearing that node (plus anything past that point).

Thecrusher_9756

Right so what you’re saying is no matter how many times you die you should win the war if the opponent misses out one empty node?

Silver_Saga

why not in War? In AQ the more we explore the more points and at 100% we get better prize.. why in War we treat Exploration as ****

Because war is war. You have to kill the others and not be killed in the process, that's the main purpose, and at that game they beat you fair and square.

PawnyExpress

Right so what you’re saying is no matter how many times you die you should win the war if the opponent misses out one empty node?

That's pretty much what he's implying. 🤣🤣

Sirmacool

So they set up a point system. Instead of playing by that point system which all can do. It’s not fair because you didn’t win?
Just play by the established system. You so better. You win. Period.

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