Cull Obsidian - NERFED?! Or FIXED?! Fact-checked Fight data by Kiryu

@Lormif the biggest issue on YouTube is Clickbait, I apologise if that annoyed anyone as its not my intent to do it. I have to get people to see videos, when I posted mcoc news back 3 months ago, I did it with no clickbait = 3-5k viewers less. Dave is in the same boat, he used to post vids with no clickbait and people wouldn't watch, he gains 10k more views based on it. So again I apologise but its the way 90% of us on youtube need to do to get our vids seen.
And part of the reason I stay away from youtube unless I need something and dont subscribe except to channels that dont use it. I appreciate your honesty, but I feel if you have to resort to something like that it is very telling on you.
Well what would u do if that was your full time job and you wanted to grow to make more money. It’s not like he’s lying. He explains it well in the video, but certain people see the thumb nail and jump too conclusions without watching the video
There is lying and then there is intellectual dishonesty. Your argument is basically "if you wanted to make money you would do shady things too", and no I would not. After all he knows people sees the thumb nail and knows what conclusion they will jump to, which is specifically why he is doing that.
@Lormif the biggest issue on YouTube is Clickbait, I apologise if that annoyed anyone as its not my intent to do it. I have to get people to see videos, when I posted mcoc news back 3 months ago, I did it with no clickbait = 3-5k viewers less. Dave is in the same boat, he used to post vids with no clickbait and people wouldn't watch, he gains 10k more views based on it. So again I apologise but its the way 90% of us on youtube need to do to get our vids seen.
And part of the reason I stay away from youtube unless I need something and dont subscribe except to channels that dont use it. I appreciate your honesty, but I feel if you have to resort to something like that it is very telling on you.
That last line struck a cord with me. When I was doing videos for other sites I learned real quick “watch this video of me doing whatever” didn’t get as much traction as “insert clickbait title of me doing whatever” and thus reducing monthly monetary gain. It doesn’t give anything “telling” in fact it’s all part of marketing.

Yeah I could have lived not doing clickbait or throwing up some obscure reference when doing live shows but if it gets more people watching thus making me more money, I’ll do it. Just like these YouTubers, they do what they need to do to make money, and get their videos seen by the masses. If anything it’s telling that we know how to attract more people.
It does say something about you, what lengths you are willing to go through to make money, that you are willing to be intellectually dishonest to make more money then being straight up and making less. Just because it is a growing marketing ploy does not mean it is ok. "oh you wont click on my videos, here is a misleading title to get you to click on it"
Intellectually dishonest? You do realize people do things to make money and make the most they can, right? Every company does it, it’s called marketing.

If I make a video and put time and effort into live shows and because of a bad title I don’t get the revenue needed/wanted, then a good marketing idea would be to use something that grabs people’s attention. You think Nike got to where it’s at by making commercials of people just walking? Every commercial you see is bait to buy their stuff. Same here.
Yes, I am sorry but intellectually dishonest. That is what click bait titles are. They are made to imply something that is not true. it is not a good idea to imply something that is not true is true, it fits the definition of lying even though we dont directly call it that:

intransitive verb

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.
He lied about his past experience.
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

It is why so many people hate click bait, but also why it generates so much money.

First of all, it’s not intellectually dishonest. You are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. “You’ll never believe what happened when I came home” vs “I caught a robber in my house” the clickbait title isn’t a lie. I could give my personal titles to you, but I’d be banned, so I won’t.

Second of all, you have this hate mindset towards people who use ploys to make money, sorry hun, that’s EVERY company.

Third, no matter what, your mind won’t change on this. So I’ll say this and leave it. In the type of work I used to do, yes looks helped, but so did titles of videos written to draw attention to them. My income more than tripled when I started using intelligent marketing style captions.

Now back to the topic at hand.

DalBot

Just because something is common practice doesn't make it ethically appropriate. Just saying...

@SquishyjrThe_4TH my bad.

You’re bringing ethics into this? By that thought every single company is unethical.

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@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?

@Ace_03 never said it was illegal, but it is morally reprehensible, which is why most people outside the people who do it dislike it.

DalBot

You’re bringing ethics into this? By that thought every single company is unethical.

Guess there are no boundaries when it comes to profit motives anymore so if you can't beat em, join em. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?

What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.

Djkrdjj

@Lormif
The video has 10k views. What do u think, he’s ballin, dripping with cash? He probably made a few hundred dollars of that video, depending on his monetization. Also, u need to change your definition of clickbait.
Clickbait-misleading title and thumbnail that has nothing to do with video. This is what everybody hates
Ex. Same title and thumbnail but he played candy crush
Misleading title/thumbnail- title or thumbnail that is exaggerated or implies things that aren’t true. This is what people don’t like but ignore if the youtuber still addresses what the title/thumbnail said
Ex. What RTM did. He had a misleading title and thumbnail but he addressed the problem properly in The video

Also, u need to change your definition of clickbait.
Clickbait-misleading title and thumbnail that has nothing to do with video. This is what everybody hates
Ex. Same title and thumbnail but he played candy crush
Misleading title/thumbnail- title or thumbnail that is exaggerated or implies things that aren’t true. This is what people don’t like but ignore if the youtuber still addresses what the title/thumbnail
Ex. What RTM did. He had a misleading title and thumbnail but he addressed the problem properly in The video

Exactly

DalBot

There is nothing illegal or immoral about clickbaiting, but what you're doing is making the community a worse place by wasting peoples time. It's a good method to get a few cheap clicks but it also leads to unsubscribes which destroys long term profitability. Nobody likes a cheap-ploy. Be better than that.

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There is nothing illegal or immoral about clickbaiting, but what you're doing is making the community a worse place by wasting peoples time. It's a good method to get a few cheap clicks but it also leads to unsubscribes which destroys long term profitability. Nobody likes a cheap-ploy. Be better than that.

The original video linked has nothing to do with clickbait? Did you even see the full title? The forums won’t show the full video title. So I wrote it out in full

Cull Obsidian - NERFED?! Or FIXED?! Fact-checked Fight data

What I am doing is showcasing someone’s video about the numbers behind the champion.

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@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.

Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.

Djkrdjj

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.
Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.

The question mark stops it from being a declaration and makes it a QueSTioN.
Simple grammar jeez

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.
Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.

Again, inflection and inference is in the eye/mind or the person reading/hearing it. The title is a question, not a declaration. Watch the video, you even hear the question inflection on “nerfed”.

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.
Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.
The question mark stops it from being a declaration and makes it a QueSTioN.
Simple grammar jeez

Your knowledge of grammar is somewhat wrong. A declarative can be either a statement or a question, but the quesiton is very limited to yes/no questions. You use declarative as a question when you already know, or think you know the question and you are asking the person or to express surprise.

You fight out someone is 40..."You're 40?" is a declarative as a statement as a question.

Here is a very basic link:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/questions-statement-questions-you-re-over-18

GroundedWisdom

Have to step in here. That's being dramatic, meaning the emphasis. As for catchy titles, that's a part of the platform you're working on. We can have an existential conversation about right and wrong, but you need to catch peoples' attention on YouTube. That's the market.
I'd much rather have a catchy title and decent substance than an abrupt title and gobbledee goop. To be fair, Rich has been quite reasonable in the past, from what I've seen. There are certainly worse ways to use the platform. I don't need to cite. We've seen it.
Cull has had 2 fixes. One subsequently made him more broken. The second fixed that. I'm quite positive they don't go into a second fix unless they're sure something is wrong.

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.
Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.
Again, inflection and inference is in the eye/mind or the person reading/hearing it. The title is a question, not a declaration. Watch the video, you even hear the question inflection on “nerfed”.

It is both a declaration and a question. The question mark does not change a declaration to a non declaration. There is not an interrogative word in the title, which is required for it to not be a declaration, who, what, when, where, is, which etc.

@Liss_Bliss_

1) The headline we are talking that you are defending is:

"Cull Obsidian Is Being Nerfed?"

That is a far cry from "You’ll never believe what happened when I came home'

The one you are defending is intentionally misleading.

2) I dont have hate towards all ploys to make money, just the questionable ones.

3) there are lots of jobs where employing questionable methods will make you more money. You realize there is a reason click bait is nearly universally despised right?
What video said “cull obsidian is being nerfed” and even if it DID say that, it’s a question not a statement.
Rich the Man's video, the one we are talking about from the start...

Not all questions are equal. there is a difference between "Cull Obsidian is being Nerfed?" vs "Is Cull Obsidian being nerfed" The first is a declarative as a question, the second is not. In the first you are declaring something and that is what makes it misleading because you are declaring something that is untrue.
Again, inflection and inference is in the eye/mind or the person reading/hearing it. The title is a question, not a declaration. Watch the video, you even hear the question inflection on “nerfed”.

where is the interrogative word?

Have to step in here. That's being dramatic, meaning the emphasis. As for catchy titles, that's a part of the platform you're working on. We can have an existential conversation about right and wrong, but you need to catch peoples' attention on YouTube. That's the market.
I'd much rather have a catchy title and decent substance than an abrupt title and gobbledee goop. To be fair, Rich has been quite reasonable in the past, from what I've seen. There are certainly worse ways to use the platform. I don't need to cite. We've seen it.
Cull has had 2 fixes. One subsequently made him more broken. The second fixed that. I'm quite positive they don't go into a second fix unless they're sure something is wrong.

Gobbledee goop Is that even a word?

GroundedWisdom

Have to step in here. That's being dramatic, meaning the emphasis. As for catchy titles, that's a part of the platform you're working on. We can have an existential conversation about right and wrong, but you need to catch peoples' attention on YouTube. That's the market.
I'd much rather have a catchy title and decent substance than an abrupt title and gobbledee goop. To be fair, Rich has been quite reasonable in the past, from what I've seen. There are certainly worse ways to use the platform. I don't need to cite. We've seen it.
Cull has had 2 fixes. One subsequently made him more broken. The second fixed that. I'm quite positive they don't go into a second fix unless they're sure something is wrong.
Gobbledee goop Is that even a word?

Urban Dictionary can help you out. Lol.

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@Ace_03 @GroundedWisdom
I know. I was making declarative question joke.

GroundedWisdom

Doesn't have the same effect in a comment.

Kobster84

@SquishyjrThe_4TH Can you go a bit further to explain how I didn't cover this story correctly?
I'm watching my vid back and I take information presented on the forums that looks legit, that hasn't been discredited by either community individuals of Kabam. I have been following Cull Obsidians Changes from;
. Covering him in the CCP (mentioned in my video)
. The Thanos Favour's not staying paused (bug) of last month
. The changes to the damage output based on, as said screenshots 'presented on the forums that look legit'

I personally felt based on the information, the delivery and not putting my opinion in that I covered it correctly. Thanks for the criticism, keeps me in check, cheers.
Well the title did say cull obsidian being nerfed which isn’t true
Can you show what title you are referring to? Because both videos being talked about never once implied that.
https://youtu.be/Vd7TofVK3rs
The title on this one
I have watched the video and he doesn’t go on like a raving lunatic about how cull is nerfed quite the opposite but nevertheless the title does kinda imply cull was being nerfed
Inference is in the eyes of who reads it.
What does that have to do with my reply all I as doing was talking about how the title does imply he was being nerfed nothing else
But they title doesn’t imply he is being nerfed. “End off Cull” could mean ANYTHING.

That’s the thumbnail the title says cull obsidian being nerfed?