How do you feel about the “changes” to Sym Supreme announced?

With the “changes” announced for Sym Supreme (see bug forum for announcement) how do you feel?

Keep comments constructive, please. I’d really like to know community sentiment.

Comments

Lvernon15

How exactly does it make sense that kabam let a freaking typo stay in game for nearly a year that is clearly obvious and takes them weeks to realise once it was said to them, they’re clearly doing it as a nerf but saying it’s a typo so they don’t have to give out rdts

AlexAvalon

There aren't any changes, really. If you'll read what was said, that's the intended outcome they had, and it's just not being changed.

If it was intended it wouldn't have said 100% in game AND in his spotlight, you pathetic shill.

G0311

it's getting old, they change the description because they failed to see the interactions will make the champ to "OP" which really doesn't in this case, SS, still has enough negatives that total make him God mode for all situations champ. Next they will nerff Warlock's ability to power drain and stop massive regen.

Ahitlaw

LOL. There’s no nerf. Stop being foolish, description change only. 😂 absolute foolishness

GroundedWisdom

There aren't any changes, really. If you'll read what was said, that's the intended outcome they had, and it's just not being changed.
If it was intended it wouldn't have said 100% in game AND in his spotlight, you pathetic shill.

If it was intended, they would have said so. They have no issues telling people when something is changing. Nothing is changing but the Description. I'm pretty sure they know themselves what's intended or not. It's their intention.

RagamugginGunner

Lazy and 100% predictable,.

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Worknprogress

It's definitely not a nerf. Just another kinda shady thing they've done.

Worknprogress

He's working exactly like he has been, he just never worked as described and now they're saying the thing they never said is what was intended.

GroundedWisdom

It's not shady. They even discussed the possibility of changing him to what is shown, and came to the conclusion it would be much stronger than they intended. Changing the Champ to match the Description can't come at the cost of balance.

Kobster84

It's not shady. They even discussed the possibility of changing him to what is shown, and came to the conclusion it would be much stronger than they intended. Changing the Champ to match the Description can't come at the cost of balance.

It is shady it took them 8 months to come to the conclusion it was intended want to explain that?

Liss_Bliss_

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.

Neotwism

Well said @Liss_Bliss_ . i tried bringing this to people's attention in numerous posts over the last 10 months and they got little to no traction. Now that Kabam has at least responded everyone wants to scream bloody murder about him getting "changed." If u have the champ at least wait till the update and compare him to how he is now before u grab the pitchforks.

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Msyounus1288

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.

How op would he be? What are you doing with your sym supreme that the rest of us aren’t? Have you been able to clear all 3 variants by using only sym supreme? How about 100% 6.1 and .2? What is he doing for you that’s already so powerful that having a 100% chance to place stagger while 1 out of 3 of his blessing is active for a short period of time would make him “op”?

Msyounus1288

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.

This is worst than anything groundedwisdom has posted so far lol

ChriissR

@GroundedWisdom You're literally the clown of these forums.

It's a "Nerf". Doesn't matter if he was never working as intended and he's going to be the same and just rewording the description. It was "Supposed" to be 100% as per release. NOT 50%.

So, if a champ released doesn't perform as intended and then Kabam changes the wording, it's therefore a "Nerf". People spend 100's of dollars on a champ just to have his description changed which is absolutely garbage. People have every right to be angry.

Arguing saying it's not a Nerf or nothing is changing etc, then you're just a clown and just make sure to clean your chin when your done.

GroundedWisdom

@GroundedWisdom You're literally the clown of these forums.

It's a "Nerf". Doesn't matter if he was never working as intended and he's going to be the same and just rewording the description. It was "Supposed" to be 100% as per release. NOT 50%.

So, if a champ released doesn't perform as intended and then Kabam changes the wording, it's therefore a "Nerf".

Arguing saying it's not a Nerf or nothing is changing etc, then you're just a clown and just make sure to clean your chin when your done.

You apparently don't know what a nerf is. You would have to change something for it to be a nerf. He's never functioned that way, and was never intended to. If you expect me to respond to that last bit, I'll pass.

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Worknprogress

It's certainly not a nerf. It's kinda shady but not particularly a huge thing honestly. When the similar thing happened with domino I was on board with if they changed her to work as described she'd be even more insane (I have a R2 6* domino as well) but I don't think that a guaranteed stagger would really change much as far as balance unless they found some interaction like that attack increase synergy mentioned earlier.

Definitely not something to be up in arms about but it doesn't look great

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World Eater

He’s still been bugged since October 2018 and doesn’t always nullify buffs and deal damage at the beginning of a fight. Changing the description to match how he plays now just makes them look either incompetent or shady .

Liss_Bliss_

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.
Still stuck in act 5? Lol.

Classic response. My place in the game has no bearing on my understanding of a champ.

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Liss_Bliss_

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.
How op would he be? What are you doing with your sym supreme that the rest of us aren’t? Have you been able to clear all 3 variants by using only sym supreme? How about 100% 6.1 and .2? What is he doing for you that’s already so powerful that having a 100% chance to place stagger while 1 out of 3 of his blessing is active for a short period of time would make him “op”?

Every other phase he has maxes out at 50% why should Null’s be any different?

Gooseman

I honestly feel like, if you have him, which I do, your selfishly gonna feel betrayed but I feel like this was a much needed fix despite him being one of my best champs. Suck it up!

Liss_Bliss_

I honestly feel like, if you have him, which I do, your selfishly gonna feel betrayed but I feel like this was a much needed fix despite him being one of my best champs. Suck it up!

Well said. Would I have liked 100%? Yeah, who wouldn’t. But he is still gonna play the exact same as he currently does.

Liss_Bliss_

Let me break this down.
Blessing 1 Chthon’s 5% on basic attacks to place a stagger. 50% on a crit.
Blessing 3 Set’s 50% on each hit of a special to place a stagger.

But we all think Blessing 2 should be 100%? Give me break........no. Simply put it was a wording issue. They SHOULD have put BY 100%. and if they did that would have made parry apply stagger at 30%. So bringing his second blessing in line with all his other blessings is good.

You all can scream and pout all you want, but NOTHING except wording and a slight INCREASE to place stagger on a parry is changing. Think about how OP he would be in that phase.

The majority of people who actively posted about Null’s in that thread, myself being one of them, said we thought it was a working issue. And we would be fine with BY 100% making staggers placed at 30%. And they actually gave us more.

Those of you who sat here oblivious to the fact there was an issue, and are jumping on the %{^{^{>{*]*]%]*++#%]%]*{ KABAM!!!!! Train need to get off. He will still play the exact same as he has since we all started using him, in fact he will play better as his Null’s chance will increase.

This is only a nerf to his description, nothing more. If you all MUST QQ about something, QQ about how long it took to have it actually addressed.

I’m willing to bet 90% of you all screaming nerf wasn’t even aware he was “broken” via his description.

Again NOTHING is changing about how he is currently playing in the game, except an increase in how often Null’s will place stagger. A change in a description isn’t a nerf. Everyone needs to step back and calm down.

This is worst than anything groundedwisdom has posted so far lol

Why because I’m not on your side in an uninformed QQ fest? The truth hurts I know. But when you use your corrected SS and get more staggers from Null’s you can thank me.

Nerfed2Def

Regardless, the player base has lost an opportunity in combat. The ability is helpful in waiting out his defensive mode. Now, rank another champ. She-Hulk the Champion fight before they change her description.

Liss_Bliss_

What everyone is failing to see is he is actually getting better than he is currently in the game. Yes, it doesn’t match his current description, but if you watched the countless videos of Null’s staggers you can draw the conclusion that staggers were being placed about 30% of the time.

They could have just changed TO into BY and left it at that. But no they are increasing the chance and making it mirror his other phases.

So put down the pitchforks.