VENOM NOT IMMUNE

ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
edited August 2019 in General Discussion
Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

He should be able to counter this node, period!!





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  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★
    There isn’t anything that could remove the Klyntar buff like buffet is there?
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  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    edited August 2019
    Lvernon15 said:

    There isn’t anything that could remove the Klyntar buff like buffet is there?

    not that I know of, because the Klyntar Buff is not a buff, but apart of Venom.
  • WerewrymWerewrym Member Posts: 2,830 ★★★★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    Lvernon15 said:

    There isn’t anything that could remove the Klyntar buff like buffet is there?

    not that I know of, because the Klyntar Rage is not a buff, but apart of Venom.
    It is a buff and can be removed by buffet and nullify effect. For example when fighting a spiderverse champ on buffet, the node will eat the klyntar buff at the start of the fight and champs like spidey can evade until the buff comes back.
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Lvernon15 said:

    There isn’t anything that could remove the Klyntar buff like buffet is there?

    not that I know of, because the Klyntar Rage is not a buff, but apart of Venom.
    It is a buff it literally states it in the abilities
    No, he was saying is it a buff that can be removed - it states it's a buff, but it's not a buff that can be nullified or affected by ability accuracy
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Lvernon15 said:

    There isn’t anything that could remove the Klyntar buff like buffet is there?

    not that I know of, because the Klyntar Rage is not a buff, but apart of Venom.
    It is a buff it literally states it in the abilities
    No, he was saying is it a buff that can be removed - it states it's a buff, but it's not a buff that can be nullified or affected by ability accuracy
    if it is an active Buff, and this is the case, then it can be nullified, just like the Ice Man's Armor for example ^_^
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★


    It is a buff and can be removed by buffet and nullify effect. For example when fighting a spiderverse champ on buffet, the node will eat the klyntar buff at the start of the fight and champs like spidey can evade until the buff comes back.

    I must didn't pay attention if it ever happened to me on a buffet node. A regeneration buff can be nullified, but I never seen my KB be nullified.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
    devs have stated that "cannot" will always beat "always", so in this case venom cannot be power drained/burned by tech champs if his klintar buff is active, and nothing can change this.
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    edited August 2019
    The only thing I can think of is on the other node every time he fills a bar of power his ability accuracy goes up by 5% - which I'm guessing allows him to counter my Klyntar Buff???

    CRAZY!!
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    te_dua_shum said:

    Lormif said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
    devs have stated that "cannot" will always beat "always", so in this case venom cannot be power drained/burned by tech champs if his klintar buff is active, and nothing can change this.
    They specifically stated that for a defender if I am not mistaken, a defenders cannot will trump an attackers always. For example NC can still bamf out of of IMIWs repulsors which cannot be evaded as long as NC is on defense.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    Lormif said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
    devs have stated that "cannot" will always beat "always", so in this case venom cannot be power drained/burned by tech champs if his klintar buff is active, and nothing can change this.


    They specifically stated that for a defender if I am not mistaken, a defenders cannot will **** an attackers always. For example NC can still bamf out of of IMIWs repulsors which cannot be evaded as long as NC is on defense.
    no, he can't technically, you can read here that it's a bug that the kabam team is trying to figure out ^_^
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Lormif said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    Lormif said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
    devs have stated that "cannot" will always beat "always", so in this case venom cannot be power drained/burned by tech champs if his klintar buff is active, and nothing can change this.
    They specifically stated that for a defender if I am not mistaken, a defenders cannot will **** an attackers always. For example NC can still bamf out of of IMIWs repulsors which cannot be evaded as long as NC is on defense.
    You're saying two things at once. You said that an attacker's "always" will be ****** by a defender's "cannot". But in the example you gave. NC's "always" is ******* IMIW's "cannot".
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    @Lormif You're saying two things at once. You said that an attacker's "always" will be ****** by a defender's "cannot". But in the example you gave. NC's "always" is ******* IMIW's "cannot".
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    FreeToPlay_21 said:

    @Lormif You're saying two things at once. You said that an attacker's "always" will be ****** by a defender's "cannot". But in the example you gave. NC's "always" is ******* IMIW's "cannot".

    NC was the defender in that case, so it is the same thing.
    te_dua_shum said:

    Lormif said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    Lormif said:

    SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

    Lormif said:

    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    My guess is that "cannot" is a 100% ability accuracy and aspect of evolution is slowly inching the chance of it being done by 5% per bar of power gained. But that would only be an educated guess.
    Even if that’s the case it should not matter. Cannot prevents anything from the original ability from happening. It’s like ST heal which has an increased AA healing with a heal block, that can’t happen
    Heal block is a buff that prevents the healing from taking effect, in addition if you heal block ST all his heals go away. We know that cannots and always have residence and can be prevented or affected in SOME cases, such as Corvus' glancing hits on Antman will never crit despite saying they always are, or Ironmans Iw "cannot miss". I am not saying this is or is not a bug, just stating what I think may be happening.
    devs have stated that "cannot" will always beat "always", so in this case venom cannot be power drained/burned by tech champs if his klintar buff is active, and nothing can change this.


    They specifically stated that for a defender if I am not mistaken, a defenders cannot will **** an attackers always. For example NC can still bamf out of of IMIWs repulsors which cannot be evaded as long as NC is on defense.
    no, he can't technically, you can read here that it's a bug that the kabam team is trying to figure out ^_^
    that just says they are looking into it, not if it is a bug or not.
  • gforcefangforcefan Member Posts: 400 ★★★
    I got drained by Vision after he got one bar of power also. Maybe I got 5% unlucky, but I finished that map so I'm not testing further. If anyone else tries, let us know.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,868 ★★★★★
    gforcefan said:

    I got drained by Vision after he got one bar of power also. Maybe I got 5% unlucky, but I finished that map so I'm not testing further. If anyone else tries, let us know.

    Same happened with me
  • Captain_KandiceCaptain_Kandice Member Posts: 222 ★★
    Came here to look for the answer to this specific question...

    I just assumed it was the “power drain” aspect of the node that was overriding the fact that Vision is a tech champ. Since the “power drain” node can be used for anyone?
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Did you guys ensure your buff was up?
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    Lormif said:

    Did you guys ensure your buff was up?

    Venoms Klyntar automatically activates at the beginning of the fight.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    Lormif said:

    Did you guys ensure your buff was up?

    Venoms Klyntar automatically activates at the beginning of the fight.
    1) It is a buff so it can be removed by debuffing things such as buffet, or nullify (the bugs sections get a lot of people in act 5 buffet complaining about evading spiderverse champs)
    2) It is on a 9 second timer which could make things like AAR could make it not refresh.
  • gforcefangforcefan Member Posts: 400 ★★★
    Lormif said:

    Did you guys ensure your buff was up?

    I got hit with Vision's very first sp1. So I'm sure the buff was up. Either it is a bug, or the ability can be reduced and I got very unlucky. After that I started evading only. Got caught later on, but can't say for sure buff was up or not.
  • GagarinmanGagarinman Member Posts: 11 ★
    No one is immune to a broken back draft intercept
  • TacoScottyTacoScotty Member Posts: 407 ★★
    Unless it is an unblockable special you can just block vision L1 - does no damage unless it hits from what I recall (LoL vision specials do block damage). It’s damage is from the power burn
  • Jcobra25Jcobra25 Member Posts: 212 ★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    Kabam, I could have sworn y'all said Venom has POWER DRAIN & BURN "IMMUNITY."

    I want to know how come when I fought boss Vision in the event quest, his special attacks drained my power??

    He should be able to counter this node, period!!





    I got a question. Why are you fighting that vision with Venom in the first place? 🤔
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