She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

This is absolutely terrible. People ranked her for that reason only. She had a unique ability that’s absolutely not op, but of course Kabam has to nerf her...

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Lufaso

If we don't get rank down ticket for She hulk I'm out of this game. You can't "fix" a champ whitout warning like that.

Aegor

I think SH chaining heavy was nev Aer 100%, if your opponent have Stand your ground mastery you should get parried easily.
I will wait for reaction of Kabam, i ranked her to r5, if the nerf came after update with no solution there is only one possibility.
Stop spending on game. They wanted money from champion, we refuse to give them money....

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Marri_2

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔

Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

And yet she has acted this way since 2016 but it wasn't convenient for you to "fix" it until now? 🤔
There would be no benefit to waiting to fix a bug. We fixed it when we became aware of it.
that's patently untrue. Before she wasn't losing you money, now she is because people can beat 6.2.6 Champion with her. This is not a new function as a result of her revamp, she's been like this since 2016. So yes, there is a benefit to doing it now versus earlier.

More accurately: There was no detriment to NOT fixing her, while there is a negative impact on content completion (from KABAM's point of view) to not fixing it now. I am sure they have been aware of this interaction for a long time, but the bug simply didn't have enough of an impact on their data to justify putting resources into a fix.

I am sure that it has always been a bug, because if we look deep down into our souls, we know champs are not supposed to chain heavies into their combos, however I do feel that some of the bugfixing happens on an opportunistic basis. Like AA passive stun, Drax animations and now SheHulk.

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shashankchrome

Hey everybody,

We’re sorry that this update came as a surprise. The Ability to chain into a Heavy Attack from a combo is not one that is intended for any Champion, and we have never advertised it as one (except for Wasp, who has a built in short Passive stun to ensure that she is able to do it). No Champion should be able to Combo into a Heavy attack with 100% reliability, unless explicitly stated in their Ability description.

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Honestly, people should get more than an apology here, Miike.

This was a specific mechanic known throughout the community for a while and a significant attribute of the champ. You guys need to be more attuned to what is happening in game and make “fixes” like this out of the gate, not months later.

I dodged this bullet and used mine at R3 for 6.2 content. But anyone who used their hard-to-get materials on her should get them back and then some.

Dr. Zola
How do you fix something you dont know is broken, that does not make any sense.

The majority of the community have known about it for months and years but the developers of the game don't?!
This opens up a whole another can of worms.
It's the developers job, their literal JOB to know what's happening in their game. Specially when something is common knowledge throughout the player base for years.

Them saying, omg, we didn't know about that for years, honestly sounds really careless for them.

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Nick_Caine_32

This was not something that was listed as an ability or an exception for She-Hulk. She was not built, tuned, or tested, around this unintended interaction. This was identified as an issue and resolved.

We apologize for the confusion caused by this interaction.

Do yall not realize how bad yall are putting a foot in your mouth? You choose to hide behind the "it's not in her descriptions" argument like her description is law, however you are not giving the same weight to symbiote supreme's description and in fact are going to change his description. So what is it? Do we follow champion descriptions or do we follow how they actually play?

Perfectly stated. My last two ranks ups to rank 4 were She Hulk and Symbiote Supreme, sadly. I have zero faith that anything I rank up in the future will stay that way now. They can't even stay consistent on their excuses for this stuff.

Rougeknight87

https://youtu.be/A4xRVRJVt1o

Solid points here. You guys knew what was going on. No mention of it to the player base. You allowed people to use resources to rank up a champ for months and then without warning hide a major fix in your patch notes. Really grimy grimy move.

I love it when he’s angry! 😂 seriously though, lost all faith in dev team after a move like this. Like the video I have no real issue in them making a change as it was unique and can be argued that it defiantly wasn’t intended but how this has been handled and the company line’s they are trotting out to the player base is beyond shameful.
To not be able to “read the room” and comprehend how much this would affect people’s decisions on the champion after all the content and threads produced since her buff is quite frankly disgraceful and smacks of incompetence. It’s YOUR mistake and the situation is caused by YOUR inaction. Do the right thing, don’t punish people because others are inept at their jobs.

Cat_Murdock

I don't want Rank Down Tickets. I want you to leave her the way she is

DrZola

For those interested, here is Kabam Michael saying they don't have any plans to issue RDT. Pretty awful for those who have used valuable resources.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/156293/kabam-mike-be-the-man-of-your-words#latest

So....”Stated Abilities.”

Precisely what does that mean @Kabam Porthos ?

Miike confirmed to me personally in a thread that the Devs Notes are not reliable and constitute “editorializing.” Which means Devs Notes are just puffery, BS, chaff—call it what you will. But certainly not “Stated Abilities.” https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/854963#Comment_854963

What about mod pronouncements? I seem
to recall issues with mod statements around the abilities of certain champs used to counter Mordo that were later reinterpreted. Do mod statements on forums amend the “Stated Abilities”?

One might reasonably conclude that “Stated Abilities” are the things specifically written in a champ’s data sheet—except for the recent case of SymSup, whose “Stated Abilities” were never what players experienced in game (and still aren’t).

But Magik and Doc Ock users might get a little nervous with the way “Stated Abilities” is thrown around here because there’s nothing in their “Stated Abilities” that specifically provides for their ability to keep a champ power locked against the wall via repetitive actions (kind of like Shulk taunt+combo+heavy). Does the long-standing community use of a champ’s mechanics make that use part of “Stated Abilities”?

When content creators sanctioned by MCOC use champ abilities in specific ways, does that also confer sanction on those abilities as “Stated Abilities”?

So where do players find these “Stated Abilities”? When they have been changed or reinterpreted, where is that noticed to the player base? Are we literally talking about only the specific words written in a champ data sheet and nothing, not a whit, more?

Please share. This isn’t a trap post, but rather one that seeks to answer a simple question: what exactly can we rely on in this game?

Dr. Zola

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Branman

I just ranked her up instead of Quake because of this ability. At least give me my resources back. This is just wrong.

Zarakik

In my opinion if it's considered as a bug after 2 years of champion being in the contest, Kabam should give rank down posibility for people who want to do so, in my opinion thats most right way to do it

Duke_Silver

I don't want Rank Down Tickets. I want you to leave her the way she is

This. This is it.

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Noıre

So what will happen to those who spent resources to get her to R4/5? My guess is nothing since kabam already stated they won't be giving out rank down tickets.

Kaizen_King

So what will happen to those who spent resources to get her to R4/5? My guess is nothing since kabam already stated they won't be giving out rank down tickets.

If they don't at least give champ specific RDT’s it would just be adding fuel to the fire. Many ppl took her to R5 and used valuable resources to do so. #DoTheRightThingKabam

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Duke_Silver

Not only is Kabam quiet about OML, they seem to be completely unaware that Warlock has a very fast heavy as well, and apparently that shouldn’t be a thing. Does anyone at Kabam test these champions before they go live??