She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

This is absolutely terrible. People ranked her for that reason only. She had a unique ability that’s absolutely not op, but of course Kabam has to nerf her...

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Rougeknight87

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.

People aren’t the problem here, they were using a champ that had been through a beta and was functioning within the contest for a period after the beta whilst content creators were producing videos of her abilities and posting them on line and forum users were crating threads about her and posting them online and kabam employees were using her accomplishments to validate users credentials online. All this time no-one at kabam thought hey? That’s a bug, let’s clear this up before more people get caught up in it.

GroundedWisdom

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.

When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.

Oesername123

You know what's sad?

Kabam can EASILY hand out rank down tickets as a result of this change. Yet, they choose not to. From that alone you can see the kind of people that are running this game and what you can expect in the future.

Reverend_Ruckus

Kabam are y’all too afraid to respond? Because you know the community will fire back at you with facts?

Agentk24

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.
When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.

And your gonna tell me that they didn’t know about the bug until now so they fixed it instantly in reality I’d assume they’ve known since 6.2.6 champion at the latest

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Patchie93

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.
When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.
And your gonna tell me that they didn’t know about the bug until now so they fixed it instantly in reality I’d assume they’ve known since 6.2.6 champion at the latest

To my knowledge only recently people started to post in the bug forums about not being able to chain a heavy. Which probably brought this to the attention of Kabam as a wait she shouldn't be able to do that at all.
So if people mention OML, venom, Warlock and their heavies to the bug forum they will most likely have the same fix applied

GroundedWisdom

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.
When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.
And your gonna tell me that they didn’t know about the bug until now so they fixed it instantly in reality I’d assume they’ve known since 6.2.6 champion at the latest

I'm not telling you anything about what they knew and didn't know. I can't speak for them. What I said was pretty straightforward.

Rougeknight87

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.
When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.
And your gonna tell me that they didn’t know about the bug until now so they fixed it instantly in reality I’d assume they’ve known since 6.2.6 champion at the latest
To my knowledge only recently people started to post in the bug forums about not being able to chain a heavy. Which probably brought this to the attention of Kabam as a wait she shouldn't be able to do that at all.
So if people mention OML, venom, Warlock and their heavies to the bug forum they will most likely have the same fix applied

While that might be the case people had also been posting content whether it be to YouTube or the forums showing the exact same mechanic right after her buff. If you’re a kabam employee this would be pretty easy to spot don’t you think?

Agentk24

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
How does that make this ok then? If it has been known for years but they are only doing it now because there is content to clear, then this still means a bug was let live for years and molded the playstyle of this champ.
When you create content with a very specific goal in mind in terms of how challenging you want it to be, especially at the End-Game level, that means any glitches which provide an unwanted advantage need to be looked at.
And your gonna tell me that they didn’t know about the bug until now so they fixed it instantly in reality I’d assume they’ve known since 6.2.6 champion at the latest
To my knowledge only recently people started to post in the bug forums about not being able to chain a heavy. Which probably brought this to the attention of Kabam as a wait she shouldn't be able to do that at all.
So if people mention OML, venom, Warlock and their heavies to the bug forum they will most likely have the same fix applied

Unless they don’t have any presence in there game on other platforms which I highly doubt it’s unlikely

Spaddicted

Kabam are y’all too afraid to respond? Because you know the community will fire back at you with facts?

They choose to stick their head in the sand.

Brainimpacter

I demand a rank down ticket just in case i pull her and rank her to r5

DrZola

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.

Your choice of the word “bypassed” is telling.

If you watch KT1 burning revive after revive on 6.2.6 Champion trying to figure out how to beat him, there’s no bypassing. And I’d bet he went at least a few rounds trying to get She-Hulk to work even after he found her as an option.

If you watched my fights with She-Hulk against 6.2.6 Champion, there’s no bypassing—a lot of trial and error after hours of practicing duels against Champion. And more revives used than I’d care to acknowledge.

This wasn’t a cheat code. To suggest anything is “bypassed”is flat wrong.

Dr. Zola

Agentk24

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
Your choice of the word “bypassed” is telling.

If you watch KT1 burning revive after revive on 6.2.6 Champion trying to figure out how to beat him, there’s no bypassing. And I’d bet he went at least a few rounds trying to get She-Hulk to work even after he found her as an option.

If you watched my fights with She-Hulk against 6.2.6 Champion, there’s no bypassing—a lot of trial and error after hours of practicing duels against Champion. And more revives used than I’d care to acknowledge.

This wasn’t a cheat code. To suggest anything is “bypassed”is flat wrong.

Dr. Zola

Yes to the people saying she was a cheat code for champion you still had to be able to dex champions sp1 which isn’t an easy feat to do 5 times

GroundedWisdom

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
Your choice of the word “bypassed” is telling.

If you watch KT1 burning revive after revive on 6.2.6 Champion trying to figure out how to beat him, there’s no bypassing. And I’d bet he went at least a few rounds trying to get She-Hulk to work even after he found her as an option.

If you watched my fights with She-Hulk against 6.2.6 Champion, there’s no bypassing—a lot of trial and error after hours of practicing duels against Champion. And more revives used than I’d care to acknowledge.

This wasn’t a cheat code. To suggest anything is “bypassed”is flat wrong.

Dr. Zola

Bypass means get through easier than intended.

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jnikolas92

The argument here guys shouldnt be on the the actual fix/reasoning for the fix. That's all fair.
what we haven't been pressing on is how this has gone about.

1. Content Creators (some official CCP members) highlighted She Hulk as a Rank 5 worthy champion

2. Nothing in the forums had indicated that She Hulk was not working as intended

3. The game team clearly knew that She Hulks current gameplay existed, and didn't warn/indicate summoners otherwise

Understand the experience that the way this being handled creates for summoners who went through this process.

jnikolas92

She hulk is still able to beat the champion and is still a rank 5 worthy champ.
Show me a kill without a 5:65 one then because anylower will die from block damage if you want to get your slow debuff applied

rank 5 worthy is a bold call. This is a significatn change to her playstyle, whether it was intended or not.

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mitchy231

I just do not understand Kabam's complete lack of response on this thread. At least pop in and say something. At least acknowledge the situation for what it is. The total silence is just confusing.

Nabilety

Comboing into a heavy was a unique trait that made She-Hulk an interesting champion. Whether it was intended or not, I think Kabam should've perceived it as an opportunity to show what they're capable of delivering to their consumers, in terms of quality gameplay - instead they made a fool out of themselves. For a brief moment, I actually respected Kabam's creativity and capability of thinking out of the box - sadly, today I realized Kabam just create good stuff by mistake. It's not only about how different champions have different abilities, but also play-style that makes this game amazing - take Quake for instance - the only champion, where you don't need to execute any combo, but master holding heavy-attack. So while I respect it was an unintended issue, I think Kabam should've adapted to the idea of pushing play-style diversity, instead of just focusing on what arbitrary ability one champion should possess. You get absolutely no kudos for this "unintended fix", point. blank. period.

Austin555555

This nerf just shouldn’t happen 3 months. @Kabam Miike if you knew the problem., why didn’t you fix it 2 1/2 months ago where everyone was using she hulk?

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Madcat

Kabam, @Kabam Miike , et al...

You have lost the faith of this community. ANY champion can be nerfed without notice with you repeating this precedent.

Multiple posts by Miike show complete ignorance of the game and the player base. 95% of the champions have different speeds and cadences to their attacks. A dozen champs can do the same combo into heavy strategy.

You are going to lose a lot of people and money over this choice. RDTs are the ONLY way to not lose the complete faith of this community as without them, why rank up any champion as you can and will nerf them without warning or being able to recoup valuable resources? Anyone is fair game to be nerfed now.

This reeks to high heaven when content creators and high end players that YOU highlight even for this very feature/bug! I am not disagreeing with the choice, but HOW that choice is made, communicated to the community, and how you meet the community half way to allow your player base to not suffer the loss of the rarest high end rank up items in the game, T2As and T5Bs.

RagamugginGunner

It really sucks that this was "announced" after you introduced 2016 rank up gems. Feel pretty cheated in using my science 2016 gem on her over Gwen, Rulk or LC.

Lormif

I just do not understand Kabam's complete lack of response on this thread. At least pop in and say something. At least acknowledge the situation for what it is. The total silence is just confusing.

They did comment, there is an "administrator" tag on the past before you click the link it will take you to their post. If you click on it in the thread above their post it will take you to their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th post IN THIS THREAD.

thudd22

So... I took her from r3 to r5 recently, before finding out about the fix. I also used an awakening gem on her. I expect all of my materials back and getting her back to r3 unawakened.
4->5 Science Rank Up Gem
4 t2a
6 t4b
6 T4 science cc
6 t1a
1 Science AG
13 Science sig stones
~2 million gold
All my iso

Nothing less would be right... surely this is agreed upon? I would never have done this rank up without this mechanic. Listed or not, this mechanic was well documented by both Kabam and those in the CCP.

Werewrym

I love reading these threads where a couple people generates 50% of the comments... Seriously guys, you don’t need to tell every single person in this thread why they’re wrong or why they shouldn’t have a ranked a champ that made a hard boss fight a little bit easier. It makes reading the thread a nightmare.

I’ve actually found that she-hulks heavy intercept doesn’t work on every champ in the game. Also I don’t understand how something like chaining a heavy attack into a combo is that gamebreaking. For a champ like Champion with so much block penetration there’s literally no sustainable way to use heavy attacks.

In fact in a lot of content these days with more stun immune and limber it’s harder and harder to find ways for champs that rely on heavy attacks to be viable. It makes sense that some champs can chain heavy attacks into their regular combo.

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Lormif

3 years, people didn't care about it because there wasn't content to be bypassed with it.
Your choice of the word “bypassed” is telling.

If you watch KT1 burning revive after revive on 6.2.6 Champion trying to figure out how to beat him, there’s no bypassing. And I’d bet he went at least a few rounds trying to get She-Hulk to work even after he found her as an option.

If you watched my fights with She-Hulk against 6.2.6 Champion, there’s no bypassing—a lot of trial and error after hours of practicing duels against Champion. And more revives used than I’d care to acknowledge.

This wasn’t a cheat code. To suggest anything is “bypassed”is flat wrong.

Dr. Zola
Bypass means get through easier than intended.
What u see in videos is after ppl trying a lot of times to pull off a perfect run. Cannot call it bypassing until you really try it yourself.

I saw a video where Ghost 1 shot 6.2.2 Sinister. I thought wow, smooth and posibly easy. I tried so hard many times but couldn't do it bc of lack of skill along with that I don't have Heimdall for synergy.

Again, you shouldn't talk about the Champion's fight when you haven't really experienced it. The fact that you haven't completed 6.2 but wanted to shut down opinions about SH's performance in there from other players who have at least completed 1 run is just unreasonable and arrogant.

Actually you can. It is litterally bypassing the intended interaction. the amount of money or time does not somehow change that, nor does it change that other people will now see it and use it to bypass it even easier.