I'm not defending kabam, I personally only took she hulk to r3 and she will stay there regardless. But I hate getting on here the few times a month I do, and hearing about rank down tickets. this question is pure curiousity, say what you will, your opinions of me mean nothing. Why do you expect kabam to give you something back everytime something doesnt work the way its supposed to, especially on a game thats free, im not FTP but thats my choice, If your gonna spend money on a game go buy some ps4 and xbox one games and then demand sony or microsoft refund your parts because your car in need for speed didnt work like you thought it would then let me know how that goes for you. RDT's shouldve never been introduced and I hope they never reappear. Thats my 2 cents for this month
My only answer to that is common sense says Test drive before you buy, especially if putting higher end resources into the decision. I didnt jump to that conclusion therefore i have just another r3 5* for arena. If they took her to r5, then they know this game well enough to know better than jump right on the band wagon.
OML can also chain a heavy at the end of his combo. Buff a champ then nerf them. They will do the same thing to OML. Beware before ranking him up.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through. It’s laughable that you think that doesn’t meet the definition of a glitch. Just because kabam’s fine tuning has come down to more minute changes doesn’t mean that people investing resources in viable champs shouldn’t be acknowledged. Indefensible to not compensate for. The difference between a glitch and an intended Ability change is exactly what we're discussing, and there IS a difference. I'm completely aware of the difference between this and 12.0. I was here the whole time. Do you think they intended for the leadership mastery to create perfect block teams that would dominate the game? Do you think they intended for willpower to make 1/2 the champs not viable and others almost unkillable? Do you think they intended for SW to be able to keep opponents stunned the entire fight or beat anything in the game with a crit team? Any time they change anything it's because it isn't working as intended. They didn't change them because they were working as intended but they changed their mind, they changed them because the design wasn't producing the intended result. She hulk is no more "glitched" than they were. She hulk is working exactly as she was designed to work. There is no programming glitch causing her to be able to chain combos into stuns. When Doc Oc used to cause opponents to start the fight dead, that was a glitch. Of course SH isn't working the way they intended her to work. Any time they alter a champ it's because they aren't working the way they were intended to work. Sometimes there is a bug. Sometimes they just didn't realize how the design would play. None of this should have any bearing on whether or not compensation is warranted. Shulk was not intentionally designed that way. Nothing about her design even remotely suggests it, nor her Description.Many people have tried to Rank Champs and take advantage of things not intended. That didn't result in Tickets. I can think of a number of examples. Simply put, just because it has persisted doesn't mean it was intended, and it doesn't automatically mean people are owed something when it's fixed. If you're going to suggest this is the same as 12.0, which DID warrant Compensation, I don't think you remember the difference in the degree of change. Did you read what I wrote? No champ that was changed was intentionally designed to do the thing that they ultimately changed. The distinction you are making for when rank downs are and are not appropriate is nonsense. You seem to have reverted to the whatever Kabam does is right mode and have no regard for what is actually the right thing to do. No one is disputing that this was an intended thing. The fact is that she has had an ability for years which other champs also have, and people used their resources to rank her because this ability recently became valuable. Kabam is taking this away. The right thing to do is to offer compensation. As your starting premise is that Kabam can do whatever they like without compensation provided a champ is doing something that wasn't intended, without consideration of the specific case, there can be no meaningful dialogue. You see no distinction between She Hulk and Gwen Pool. You need to apply wisdom.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through. It’s laughable that you think that doesn’t meet the definition of a glitch. Just because kabam’s fine tuning has come down to more minute changes doesn’t mean that people investing resources in viable champs shouldn’t be acknowledged. Indefensible to not compensate for. The difference between a glitch and an intended Ability change is exactly what we're discussing, and there IS a difference. I'm completely aware of the difference between this and 12.0. I was here the whole time. Do you think they intended for the leadership mastery to create perfect block teams that would dominate the game? Do you think they intended for willpower to make 1/2 the champs not viable and others almost unkillable? Do you think they intended for SW to be able to keep opponents stunned the entire fight or beat anything in the game with a crit team? Any time they change anything it's because it isn't working as intended. They didn't change them because they were working as intended but they changed their mind, they changed them because the design wasn't producing the intended result. She hulk is no more "glitched" than they were. She hulk is working exactly as she was designed to work. There is no programming glitch causing her to be able to chain combos into stuns. When Doc Oc used to cause opponents to start the fight dead, that was a glitch. Of course SH isn't working the way they intended her to work. Any time they alter a champ it's because they aren't working the way they were intended to work. Sometimes there is a bug. Sometimes they just didn't realize how the design would play. None of this should have any bearing on whether or not compensation is warranted. Shulk was not intentionally designed that way. Nothing about her design even remotely suggests it, nor her Description.Many people have tried to Rank Champs and take advantage of things not intended. That didn't result in Tickets. I can think of a number of examples. Simply put, just because it has persisted doesn't mean it was intended, and it doesn't automatically mean people are owed something when it's fixed. If you're going to suggest this is the same as 12.0, which DID warrant Compensation, I don't think you remember the difference in the degree of change.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through. It’s laughable that you think that doesn’t meet the definition of a glitch. Just because kabam’s fine tuning has come down to more minute changes doesn’t mean that people investing resources in viable champs shouldn’t be acknowledged. Indefensible to not compensate for. The difference between a glitch and an intended Ability change is exactly what we're discussing, and there IS a difference. I'm completely aware of the difference between this and 12.0. I was here the whole time. Do you think they intended for the leadership mastery to create perfect block teams that would dominate the game? Do you think they intended for willpower to make 1/2 the champs not viable and others almost unkillable? Do you think they intended for SW to be able to keep opponents stunned the entire fight or beat anything in the game with a crit team? Any time they change anything it's because it isn't working as intended. They didn't change them because they were working as intended but they changed their mind, they changed them because the design wasn't producing the intended result. She hulk is no more "glitched" than they were. She hulk is working exactly as she was designed to work. There is no programming glitch causing her to be able to chain combos into stuns. When Doc Oc used to cause opponents to start the fight dead, that was a glitch. Of course SH isn't working the way they intended her to work. Any time they alter a champ it's because they aren't working the way they were intended to work. Sometimes there is a bug. Sometimes they just didn't realize how the design would play. None of this should have any bearing on whether or not compensation is warranted.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through. It’s laughable that you think that doesn’t meet the definition of a glitch. Just because kabam’s fine tuning has come down to more minute changes doesn’t mean that people investing resources in viable champs shouldn’t be acknowledged. Indefensible to not compensate for. The difference between a glitch and an intended Ability change is exactly what we're discussing, and there IS a difference. I'm completely aware of the difference between this and 12.0. I was here the whole time.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through. It’s laughable that you think that doesn’t meet the definition of a glitch. Just because kabam’s fine tuning has come down to more minute changes doesn’t mean that people investing resources in viable champs shouldn’t be acknowledged. Indefensible to not compensate for.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill. No. Those weren't just glitches in their mechanics. They were the intended performance of Champs. Very specific Abilities which, in combination with Synergies and a percentage-based system, brought the future of the game itself into a stalemate. They couldn't create anything the Champs couldn't mathematically cut through.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it. The abilities of SW and Thor pre-nerf were also “glitches in their mechanics” Kabam issued rank down tickets. Same should happen here. If they lack the foresight into exploits they should be the ones who swallow the pill.
They were unintended glitches in their mechanics. Drax wasn't even something that was with all devices. There's no bait in my statement. There seems to be bait in others on here, but I'm not interested in taking it.
Shulk was not intentionally designed that way. Nothing about her design even remotely suggests it, nor her Description.
Daredevil not being affected by invisibility makes sense since he doesn't use sight.Magneto and Juggs being immune to reverse controls is pulled straight from the comics and other forms of entertainment they've been in. Once again makes sense. Symbiote Supreme they tested and decided he would be to strong if they kept his text the way it was and matched his abilities to that thus they compromised by improving his intended % to 50 percent from its current 30%. I have Sym Sup as a r5/65 and have sunk close to 100 sig stones into him and don't regret it. Although I feel for those who r5/65 a she hulk for this one strategy they thought was intended it was stated that no champion besides Wasp should be able to do this. And yes it sucks but if no rdts were given for MD changes or AAs changes then I gotta disagree with this warranting a RDT. She can still stack her furies and apply taunt just not at a ridiculous level where she was essentially safe from damage from certain champions sp1s
Hi Kabam, I'd like to ask if we can expect Unstoppable Colossus, Superior Ironman, Luke Cage, Venom, Ultron (AoU), OG Ultron and Old Man Logan being fixed regarding their clearly unintended ability to combo Heavy attacks? It bothers me deeply that we are still able to cheat like this with above champions and I would like to ask you if you are going to make it right, we really need your help here - it is not even in their description, yet they are still able to do that, community just found out! And there may be even more! Could you please tell when we can expect those game-breaking bugs being removed? I have a new founded hope it is possible now you performed so greatly with She-hulk, she was too good anyway, one can only imagine what could others like UC or Sup. Ironman do if this is not fixed.Thank you very much for all your care
Daredevil not being affected by invisibility makes sense since he doesn't use sight.Magneto and Juggs being immune to reverse controls is pulled straight from the comics and other forms of entertainment they've been in. Once again makes sense. Symbiote Supreme they tested and decided he would be to strong if they kept his text the way it was and matched his abilities to that thus they compromised by improving his intended % to 50 percent from its current 30%. I have Sym Sup as a r5/65 and have sunk close to 100 sig stones into him and don't regret it. Although I feel for those who r5/65 a she hulk for this one strategy they thought was intended it was stated that no champion besides Wasp should be able to do this. And yes it sucks but if no rdts were given for MD changes or AAs changes then I gotta disagree with this warranting a RDT. She can still stack her furies and apply taunt just not at a ridiculous level where she was essentially safe from damage from certain champions sp1s Not trying to be argumentative here, but could you point out where the team stated that only Wasp can chain into a heavy? I recall them pointing out in chatter that Wasp specifically could, but I don’t recall there ever being a pronouncement that she was the only one. If you have the post, I’d like to see it. Again, not trying to challenge here—just want to clarify whether I remember it all correctly. Dr. Zola I mean... I can't say whether they explicitly stated that or not, but it is heavily implied by the way she's designed.She has a built in stun to pull that off, if it was intended for any quick heavy with proper input timing to reliably allow for that, then why bother with the stun and not just give her the by far quickest heavy animation in game?
Daredevil not being affected by invisibility makes sense since he doesn't use sight.Magneto and Juggs being immune to reverse controls is pulled straight from the comics and other forms of entertainment they've been in. Once again makes sense. Symbiote Supreme they tested and decided he would be to strong if they kept his text the way it was and matched his abilities to that thus they compromised by improving his intended % to 50 percent from its current 30%. I have Sym Sup as a r5/65 and have sunk close to 100 sig stones into him and don't regret it. Although I feel for those who r5/65 a she hulk for this one strategy they thought was intended it was stated that no champion besides Wasp should be able to do this. And yes it sucks but if no rdts were given for MD changes or AAs changes then I gotta disagree with this warranting a RDT. She can still stack her furies and apply taunt just not at a ridiculous level where she was essentially safe from damage from certain champions sp1s Not trying to be argumentative here, but could you point out where the team stated that only Wasp can chain into a heavy? I recall them pointing out in chatter that Wasp specifically could, but I don’t recall there ever being a pronouncement that she was the only one. If you have the post, I’d like to see it. Again, not trying to challenge here—just want to clarify whether I remember it all correctly. Dr. Zola
The way this "bug fix" is being handled is a straight up joke. I remember using SIM to lock champs in the corner with heavy attacks like 3 years ago, but I suppose that wasn't a problem since he was never that good. Now that a good champ can do it and one that is a solution to the 6.2.6 boss, NOW you fix it? What a coincidence... Let me just say that there are many other champs in the game that can do things outside of their "stated" abilities. Some of these champs, like *redacted* and *redacted* can use their abilities and some tricks that exist in the game to make many fights very very easy. Yet, this isn't explicitly stated in either of these champions description. Am I to assume that this is a bug?What Kabam is doing is completely arbitrary and makes no sense seeing as tons of other champs can do things outside of what their abilities specifically state. What's really happening is that they don't like how useful She-Hulk has become and that she counters some of the hardest content in the game, so they're bringing out the nerf gun...I wonder, does Kabam realize how frustrating it is for us players to constantly have to defend against stuff like this? They throw random nerfs or "bug fixes" into the patch notes and then players have to explain how this so called "bug" has literally been in the game since the beginning. I dunno, I sure grow weary of this process repeating itself every couple of months. Well said. Plus, even if it was in the abilities: Symbiote Supreme shows that not even those are reliable. Anything can be a "bug", how in the world are we supposed to know?
The way this "bug fix" is being handled is a straight up joke. I remember using SIM to lock champs in the corner with heavy attacks like 3 years ago, but I suppose that wasn't a problem since he was never that good. Now that a good champ can do it and one that is a solution to the 6.2.6 boss, NOW you fix it? What a coincidence... Let me just say that there are many other champs in the game that can do things outside of their "stated" abilities. Some of these champs, like *redacted* and *redacted* can use their abilities and some tricks that exist in the game to make many fights very very easy. Yet, this isn't explicitly stated in either of these champions description. Am I to assume that this is a bug?What Kabam is doing is completely arbitrary and makes no sense seeing as tons of other champs can do things outside of what their abilities specifically state. What's really happening is that they don't like how useful She-Hulk has become and that she counters some of the hardest content in the game, so they're bringing out the nerf gun...I wonder, does Kabam realize how frustrating it is for us players to constantly have to defend against stuff like this? They throw random nerfs or "bug fixes" into the patch notes and then players have to explain how this so called "bug" has literally been in the game since the beginning. I dunno, I sure grow weary of this process repeating itself every couple of months.