Suicide mastery with only 1 point in willpower

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any experience with running a double (or single) suicide build with only 1 point in willpower?
How were your experiences with questing with this build?
How much health did you lose compared to 3/3 willpower?

My main attackers are Corvus, Ghost and (unduped) Omega Red. I do use other champs, but this are my main powerhouses.
Do Corvus and Omega Red still heal with only 1 point in Willpower?

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  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Posts: 3,694 ★★★★★
    Corvus would get the initial heal but take constant damage after the bleed, omega would be fine, but I wouldn’t suggest a build like that for questing, maybe for arena but not quests
  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 367 ★★
    @Lvernon15 Thank you for your reply.
    I understand what you are saying. Wouldn`t champs lose health regardless of 1 or 3 points in willpower?
    My understanding goes as follows (I leave out salve because it is a contant in both situation)
    The poison suicide does 0,6% damage per second, and since it is a poison reduces healing by 30%.
    If I take 3/3 willpower I heal for 0,7% per second, increased by recovery by 15%, and decreased by 30% from the poison. Likewise with 1/3 in willpower but with a heal of 0,5%.

    For 3/3 that would equate to
    recovery: 0.7%*1.15 = 0.805%
    Poison: 0.805%*0.7 = 0.56%
    Suicide 0,6% - 0.56% = 0.04% damage every second

    For 1/3 that would equate to
    recovery: 0.5%*1.15 = 0.575%
    Poison: 0.575%*0.7 = 0.4025%
    Suicide 0,6% - 0.4025% = 0.1975% damage every second

    Which in itself would mean I die in 506 seconds.

    Or is there something I am missing completely here?

    I do understand the bleed would give a LOT more damage for each champ the first 16 seconds.
    But it the math applies that would result in:
    1/3: 1.045% per second, in total 16,72% for a 16 second fight
    3/3: 0,723% per second, in total 11,568% for a 16 second fight.

    I have the numbers (I think), I was just wondering if the differences would feel so insignificant in actual battles/missions.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Posts: 3,694 ★★★★★
    Donnymeij said:

    @Lvernon15 Thank you for your reply.
    I understand what you are saying. Wouldn`t champs lose health regardless of 1 or 3 points in willpower?
    My understanding goes as follows (I leave out salve because it is a contant in both situation)
    The poison suicide does 0,6% damage per second, and since it is a poison reduces healing by 30%.
    If I take 3/3 willpower I heal for 0,7% per second, increased by recovery by 15%, and decreased by 30% from the poison. Likewise with 1/3 in willpower but with a heal of 0,5%.

    For 3/3 that would equate to
    recovery: 0.7%*1.15 = 0.805%
    Poison: 0.805%*0.7 = 0.56%
    Suicide 0,6% - 0.56% = 0.04% damage every second

    For 1/3 that would equate to
    recovery: 0.5%*1.15 = 0.575%
    Poison: 0.575%*0.7 = 0.4025%
    Suicide 0,6% - 0.4025% = 0.1975% damage every second

    Which in itself would mean I die in 506 seconds.

    Or is there something I am missing completely here?

    I do understand the bleed would give a LOT more damage for each champ the first 16 seconds.
    But it the math applies that would result in:
    1/3: 1.045% per second, in total 16,72% for a 16 second fight
    3/3: 0,723% per second, in total 11,568% for a 16 second fight.

    I have the numbers (I think), I was just wondering if the differences would feel so insignificant in actual battles/missions.

    With 3/3 the poison deals like 4 damage per second once salve is up, if they die during that you don’t really lose health, with 1/3 you would be losing a moderate amount of health, and would take more significant chip damage
  • SeraphionSeraphion Posts: 223
    I know this is not 100% what you asked but maybe this will help you anyway:

    DE = 1,25% damage for 16 sec
    LC = 0,6% damage

    1,85% -(0,7 × 2 × 1,15 × 0,7)=0,723%

    0,723% × 16 sec = 11,6% hp loss

    Coagulate 1/3 = 9,6% hp loss

    Coagulate 2/3 = 7,6% hp loss

    Coagulate 3/3 = 5,7% hp loss



    Only DE = 1,25% - 0,805% =

    0,445% x 16 sec = 7,1% hp loss


    Coagulate 1/3 = 5,1% hp loss

    Coagulate 2/3 = 3,1% hp loss

    Coagulate 3/3 = 1,1% hp loss
  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 367 ★★
    I get it. I was focussing mostly on my main champs with my calculations. But I see how 16% and 11% is a huge difference for all other none immune champs during questing.
    I probably finish each fight in under 16 seconds except for bosses with corvus. But it would render my other champs all but useless.

    If anyone else want to share their thoughts I would still like to read more opinions.
    I really do appreciate your time and insight @Lvernon15
  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 367 ★★
    @Seraphion Thank you very much. I actually posted a question earlier about Coagulate and hardly got any answers. I do now. So thank you so much.
  • SeraphionSeraphion Posts: 223
    edited September 16
    I run half suicides with DE and 1/3 coagulate bc I play ghost corvus domino magik and omega a lot. Other champs only lose 5% hp which fine in my opinion.
  • phil56201phil56201 Posts: 220
    I run full suicides, with maxed coagulate, willpower, recovery, and my non-immune champions take next to no damage from the suicides minus any recoil damage. Did a ROL WS take down with my 5/50 Star Lord using only sp3 and taking no hits. Ended the fight with 92% health, which is pretty normal considering the chip damage taken from blocking.
  • AlphA101AlphA101 Posts: 197
    Mine take about 3% per fight in the beginning
  • SeraphionSeraphion Posts: 223
    phil56201 said:

    I run full suicides, with maxed coagulate, willpower, recovery, and my non-immune champions take next to no damage from the suicides minus any recoil damage. Did a ROL WS take down with my 5/50 Star Lord using only sp3 and taking no hits. Ended the fight with 92% health, which is pretty normal considering the chip damage taken from blocking.

    you lose 5,7% for 16 sec
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