I feel this was yet another miscalculation on Kabam's part. What would have been far better received by the community would have been (finally) the introduction of bases, along with bug fixes and buffs to the weakest champs in the game. This really does feel like jumping the shark.
come on guys let see have they implement in to the game first. it can work they will have to make some changes to balance the game. I have faith they can get it done this is an heads up so some hacker doesn't ruined the announcement before tell us I'm pretty soon when they can they will give more information.
If this made any less sense it could be mistaken for a Donald Trump speech.
So I hated 5*'s when they came in because they completely diminished ppl's efforts and expenditure towards the ultimate goal of 4* over a long period but I was starting to warm to them because, well, I was forced to.
I'm almost a 500k account, have 20 5*, 3 of which are rank 4, and that's with me BUSTING MY BUTT on this game almost relentlessly.
When 5* launched I had a sizeable 4* roster, and a bunch of 5/50's, now when 6*'s launch most ppl will have poor to average 5* rosters at best. Where is the natural progression there? We may as well have skipped the 5* era altogether.
Kabam can say that we'll be able to rank 5 5*'s before 6* launches but realistically how many maxed 5* will ppl have by that point? 1? Maybe 2 if you sell your first born.
This just screams give us more money. This should have been done, if it had to be, way way way in the future.
TOTAL BS!!! We spent a lot of resources for 4s and now all of a sudden here comes 6s when we can't max 5s yet.
Give us 1000 rank down tickets to get rid of 4s or you will quickly die and rot for good this time
I wouldn't say "all of a sudden". This is still at least 5 months away, and the way that 5-Stars didn't make 4-Stars obsolete, these won't be making them obsolete very soon either.
5 months is all of a sudden! t5 don't exist, t2 alphas are rare. 5*s won't even get ranked before 6*s appear
Please more gold, I can barley afford to r5 a 4 star let alone 3/45 or 4/55 5* and now 6*?! Please tell me there will be some sort of way we can obtain it apart from doing arena..
are the grandmaster crystals going to be purchasable like premium hero crystals are now? Or can you only purchase them once you have the required number of shards from the 14 day login calendar? @Kabam Miike@Kabam Commish
Will you be reducing the number of shards required for a 5* crystal or just revamping all the rewards in thinks like AW to give out more 5* shards?
We won't be reducing the amount of shards needed, but will be making 5-Star Shards more available over time. This could include things like the AW rewards, but that's only one avenue we could take. There is also a new announcement on the Grandmaster Crystal that went live today, which contains 3,4, and 5 Star Champions.
Will grandmaster crystals replace PHC for uncollected summoners ? or will I still be opening my 2*s off the PHCs I collect from every other event and arena ?
The Grandmaster Crystal is in addition to the Premium Hero Crystal, although the Grandmaster's 14-Day Calendar will be replacing the 7 Day calendar that grants PHC Shards for Summoners.
Imagine how this makes all the people feel who already spent hundreds of dollars fully completing Labrynth of Legends. To know it could have been made soooo much easier by waiting until 6* champs start to come out.
And that's not to mention the frustration of people who were striving to reach the top floor in the game, only to realize Kabam is adding another several floors above it. I understand that they want to keep this game alive (milk it) for years to come, but this is just crazy and disheartening.
Welp, 4 star champs are useless now. Just like 3* became utterly useless after 5* were introduced. Just like 2* were the whole time 4* were more available with shards. And to pour salt on the wound, Challenger rating makes then even less than useless. Good job guys
When people brought up the idea of 6 star champs, I thought they were just either making a joke or mentioning a really bad idea.
As has been stated, we currently do not have the ability to max 5 stars, and now 6 stars are announced? I understand that T5 basics are being added and we'll be able to max our 5 stars, but from what I understand, 6 stars will be playable in about 5 months. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculously fast. Upgrading your 5 star in the next 5 months and already they'll be obsolete due to the new 6 stars.
So when will 7 stars be added? And 8 stars? And 9 stars?
I've never complained about the game, and have spent a good deal of money on the game because I enjoyed it. But this may be a deal breaker. Extraordinarily bad timing.
Obsolete is a very strong word here. Did 5-Stars make 4-Stars Obsolete? 6-Stars are not going to be easy to obtain, and then will be more difficult to Rank Up. We have lots more planned before 6-Stars ever make it into Player's hands, and that includes making 5-Stars more accessible.
Actually, there are quite a few 5*'s who are obsolete (KK, Colossus, Groot come to mind). And yes--5*'s did make quite a few of the 4*'s obsolete for elite content.
The real problem is that, unless you are a player at the very top of the game or someone who has been blessed by the 5* RNG genie, you sit on 8-9 T2a and a host of crappy 5* rank-up choices. With this announcement, it is a more than rational response for many to just throw in the towel.
This move will make 4* obsolete
Delete this comment as well if u wish but it's clear from this thread that the majority believe this to be a bad idea, it's hard to be constructive if you don't agree with any of it.
An argument can be made for bringing in 6* at a much later date. But for now it's clear why you are doing it.
Obsolete is a very strong word here. Did 5-Stars make 4-Stars Obsolete? 6-Stars are not going to be easy to obtain, and then will be more difficult to Rank Up. We have lots more planned before 6-Stars ever make it into Player's hands, and that includes making 5-Stars more accessible.
I will say that 3s to a great extent became obsolete with the introduction of 5s... I don't see the need to use them in hard content anymore... With the introduction of 6*s, I don't see anyone wanting to use t4cc on 4*s anymore, unless you give t4cc for free on a daily basis
A 4* should be as easy to upgrade to rank 5 as a 3* is now
Knowing this why would anyone waste t5b or t2a now? You know they will be the lower rank needed materials
This is why we're telling you all so far out. This will let you make informed decisions when deciding on which Champions to invest your time and resources into!
For all the people complaining about this being too soon....I want you to tell us when you'd add 6 stars to the game? Pick a month and year for when they should get here. I bet if I started a poll that the answer that would get the most votes is summer 2017. Anyone disagree? So here we have Kabam saying it'll actually be spring 2017 and everyone is flipping out over a few month difference.
are the grandmaster crystals going to be purchasable like premium hero crystals are now? Or can you only purchase them once you have the required number of shards from the 14 day login calendar? @Kabam Miike @Kabam Commish
Can we get an impression of how you are going to make 4 * more accessible? I like to buy the 4* daily cards but don't want to spend anything if they're going to be the new 3*.
One of the ways is with the new Grandmaster Crystal which was also announced today. It contains only 3, 4, and 5 Star Champions. Again, this is still a ways away, and a lot will happen between the announcement today and 6-Star Champions being playable.
When people brought up the idea of 6 star champs, I thought they were just either making a joke or mentioning a really bad idea.
As has been stated, we currently do not have the ability to max 5 stars, and now 6 stars are announced? I understand that T5 basics are being added and we'll be able to max our 5 stars, but from what I understand, 6 stars will be playable in about 5 months. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculously fast. Upgrading your 5 star in the next 5 months and already they'll be obsolete due to the new 6 stars.
So when will 7 stars be added? And 8 stars? And 9 stars?
I've never complained about the game, and have spent a good deal of money on the game because I enjoyed it. But this may be a deal breaker. Extraordinarily bad timing.
Obsolete is a very strong word here. Did 5-Stars make 4-Stars Obsolete? 6-Stars are not going to be easy to obtain, and then will be more difficult to Rank Up. We have lots more planned before 6-Stars ever make it into Player's hands, and that includes making 5-Stars more accessible.
Maxed 4*s was around long before 5*s made an appearance. Argument invalid
This is abosolutely ridiculous. I'm sorry Kabam but it really is. We can't even max out 5 stars yet. How about instead of 6 stars you add tier 5 catalysts?
Now more than ever, T4B and T1A needs to be more available. It is great that you are reducing the T5B requirement, but that is only relevant if we can get our 5* champs to r4...which requires 12 T4B and 16 T1A...for ONE champion. As it is, top tier players have to sit on all of the AQ-earned crystals due to expiring T4C. The balance for rank resources is completely off. There have been several posts about this and I have not seen a substantive response from the game team to any of those posts. In light of 6*, please address this issue.
I ask again will there be 5* arenas? I ask this because as of right now there is no reason for me to do anything more than milestones in 4* arenas. 4*s are the new 3*s which I don't need or want so there is no point to even do arenas anymore. How sad.
Will grandmaster crystals replace PHC for uncollected summoners ? or will I still be opening my 2*s off the PHCs I collect from every other event and arena ?
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The Grandmaster Crystal is in addition to the Premium Hero Crystal, although the Grandmaster's 14-Day Calendar will be replacing the 7 Day calendar that grants PHC Shards for Summoners.[/quote]
so this is effectively starting a new race of crystal buying to earn five star champs without shards....unbelievable cash grab. Pretty disgusting honestly
TOTAL BS!!! We spent a lot of resources for 4s and now all of a sudden here comes 6s when we can't max 5s yet.
Give us 1000 rank down tickets to get rid of 4s or you will quickly die and rot for good this time
I wouldn't say "all of a sudden". This is still at least 5 months away, and the way that 5-Stars didn't make 4-Stars obsolete, these won't be making them obsolete very soon either.
5 months is all of a sudden! t5 don't exist, t2 alphas are rare. 5*s won't even get ranked before 6*s appear
We see where you're coming from, but when 5-Stars were first introduced, while it was possible to fully rank a 4-Star champion, it was something that only a very small handful of players had done, or were able to do. Remember, 6-Stars are going to appear in Content before you can get them, but that doesn't mean it's meant to be all content.
While we are still working on exactly where you'll see them, we do know that they won't be in Act 5 Chapter 3.
4* will become Obsolete... for those at the level to effectively get 6* champs at any sort of pace. But how many of those people use even r5 4* for more than niche uses anyway? 4* will always have a place on the path of progression. They are still perfectly usable in the first half of Act 5 and all non-LoL content before that, and even useful for part of LoL (Can't wait for that World of Legends of whatever with the 500+k rating 6* champs!). 5* will be the main focus for most players, with the top looking towards the 6* horizon (or quitting when the announced 24 champs are of the SG variety), with those lower in power ranking 4* to get to the next steps. As long as they increase the availability of resources, then people will not feel the pinch of using valuable materials on short-term champs.
That being said, I feel it is still too soon, and they should be in the back half of 2018 at the earliest, with t5b and increased t2a gains coming as soon as possible, so that people have the time to max 5* and use them before worrying about ranking 6*.
I see you're reducing the amount of catalysts needed. What about champs that were ranked up recently? I just ranked up a 5* and now the costs are being reduced in two weeks? Are we getting the overages we spent ranking champions up back? If not, can we get rank down tickets to get back the extra catalysts we spent?
The only cost that is being reduced is how many Tier 5 Basics it costs to get 5-Stars to Rank 5. There won't been any changes to the lower ranks.
need to lower the Tier one Alphas or make them more easy to obtain.
I think this is a terrible idea. Should have ask the community first. People can clear your hardest levels with 3 star heroes. All this does is tell me that all the time, energy, and money spent on this game was a waste. I've spent so much time in development of my roster and it seems like a waste. If you want a money grab there are much better ways about it. Increase mastery points by paying for them. New masteries that require more expensive cores. Something besides adding 6 star heroes to make all of our 4 stars irrelevant. Something to progress further without demeaning our rosters.
Obsolete is a very strong word here. Did 5-Stars make 4-Stars Obsolete? 6-Stars are not going to be easy to obtain, and then will be more difficult to Rank Up. We have lots more planned before 6-Stars ever make it into Player's hands, and that includes making 5-Stars more accessible.[/quote]
5* did not make 4* obsolete, but they did have that effect on 3*. That is a more apt comparison and a real fear for many. Just as 5* made 3* irrelevant, 6* will do the same to 4*, especially with the penalty you get for fighting tougher opponents.
TOTAL BS!!! We spent a lot of resources for 4s and now all of a sudden here comes 6s when we can't max 5s yet.
Give us 1000 rank down tickets to get rid of 4s or you will quickly die and rot for good this time
I wouldn't say "all of a sudden". This is still at least 5 months away, and the way that 5-Stars didn't make 4-Stars obsolete, these won't be making them obsolete very soon either.
5 months is all of a sudden! t5 don't exist, t2 alphas are rare. 5*s won't even get ranked before 6*s appear
We see where you're coming from, but when 5-Stars were first introduced, while it was possible to fully rank a 4-Star champion, it was something that only a very small handful of players had done, or were able to do. Remember, 6-Stars are going to appear in Content before you can get them, but that doesn't mean it's meant to be all content.
While we are still working on exactly where you'll see them, we do know that they won't be in Act 5 Chapter 3.
I kinda disagree with that, when 5*s came out I still had about 12-15 r5 4*s at that point and mostly the good ones. Now I have 2 r4 5*s only which is barely a roster. So kinda depressing when I think about continuing this game.
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So I hated 5*'s when they came in because they completely diminished ppl's efforts and expenditure towards the ultimate goal of 4* over a long period but I was starting to warm to them because, well, I was forced to.
I'm almost a 500k account, have 20 5*, 3 of which are rank 4, and that's with me BUSTING MY BUTT on this game almost relentlessly.
When 5* launched I had a sizeable 4* roster, and a bunch of 5/50's, now when 6*'s launch most ppl will have poor to average 5* rosters at best. Where is the natural progression there? We may as well have skipped the 5* era altogether.
Kabam can say that we'll be able to rank 5 5*'s before 6* launches but realistically how many maxed 5* will ppl have by that point? 1? Maybe 2 if you sell your first born.
This just screams give us more money. This should have been done, if it had to be, way way way in the future.
5 months is all of a sudden! t5 don't exist, t2 alphas are rare. 5*s won't even get ranked before 6*s appear
The Grandmaster Crystal is in addition to the Premium Hero Crystal, although the Grandmaster's 14-Day Calendar will be replacing the 7 Day calendar that grants PHC Shards for Summoners.
And that's not to mention the frustration of people who were striving to reach the top floor in the game, only to realize Kabam is adding another several floors above it. I understand that they want to keep this game alive (milk it) for years to come, but this is just crazy and disheartening.
Actually, there are quite a few 5*'s who are obsolete (KK, Colossus, Groot come to mind). And yes--5*'s did make quite a few of the 4*'s obsolete for elite content.
The real problem is that, unless you are a player at the very top of the game or someone who has been blessed by the 5* RNG genie, you sit on 8-9 T2a and a host of crappy 5* rank-up choices. With this announcement, it is a more than rational response for many to just throw in the towel.
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Delete this comment as well if u wish but it's clear from this thread that the majority believe this to be a bad idea, it's hard to be constructive if you don't agree with any of it.
An argument can be made for bringing in 6* at a much later date. But for now it's clear why you are doing it.
I will say that 3s to a great extent became obsolete with the introduction of 5s... I don't see the need to use them in hard content anymore... With the introduction of 6*s, I don't see anyone wanting to use t4cc on 4*s anymore, unless you give t4cc for free on a daily basis
A 4* should be as easy to upgrade to rank 5 as a 3* is now
This is why we're telling you all so far out. This will let you make informed decisions when deciding on which Champions to invest your time and resources into!
ditch the 3* and I would be excited.
Will grandmaster crystals replace PHC for uncollected summoners ? or will I still be opening my 2*s off the PHCs I collect from every other event and arena ?
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The Grandmaster Crystal is in addition to the Premium Hero Crystal, although the Grandmaster's 14-Day Calendar will be replacing the 7 Day calendar that grants PHC Shards for Summoners.[/quote]
so this is effectively starting a new race of crystal buying to earn five star champs without shards....unbelievable cash grab. Pretty disgusting honestly
We see where you're coming from, but when 5-Stars were first introduced, while it was possible to fully rank a 4-Star champion, it was something that only a very small handful of players had done, or were able to do. Remember, 6-Stars are going to appear in Content before you can get them, but that doesn't mean it's meant to be all content.
While we are still working on exactly where you'll see them, we do know that they won't be in Act 5 Chapter 3.
That being said, I feel it is still too soon, and they should be in the back half of 2018 at the earliest, with t5b and increased t2a gains coming as soon as possible, so that people have the time to max 5* and use them before worrying about ranking 6*.
How about Act 6?
need to lower the Tier one Alphas or make them more easy to obtain.
Act 5 isnt done yet man where no where near act 6
Obsolete is a very strong word here. Did 5-Stars make 4-Stars Obsolete? 6-Stars are not going to be easy to obtain, and then will be more difficult to Rank Up. We have lots more planned before 6-Stars ever make it into Player's hands, and that includes making 5-Stars more accessible.[/quote]
5* did not make 4* obsolete, but they did have that effect on 3*. That is a more apt comparison and a real fear for many. Just as 5* made 3* irrelevant, 6* will do the same to 4*, especially with the penalty you get for fighting tougher opponents.
I kinda disagree with that, when 5*s came out I still had about 12-15 r5 4*s at that point and mostly the good ones. Now I have 2 r4 5*s only which is barely a roster. So kinda depressing when I think about continuing this game.