I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I dont think thats how it works in this game with cavalier crystals or really any offers. Almost everyday there are complaints about offers and how out of touch they are, but the prices rarely budge. Its whales that they cater to when selling offers. At least thats what Ive heard and seen.
That's because the correct price for most offers is one that most people will complain about.
This is an important F2P balance thing. Every thing you sell offers paying customers an advantage over people who spend less or are free to play. You have to offer them an advantage or they won't spend. But if you offer them too much of an advantage everyone else will say the game goes too far into pay to win territory and you'll lose players, both large numbers of lower spenders that collectively spend a lot, and free to play players that are your future spenders. This is problematic.
Whatever price you set for anything, *someone* will buy it. The lower the price, the more people who will. The higher, the fewer. But the lower the price, the more value you offer, the more you'll alienate everyone else who doesn't buy, and the more pressure you'll put on people to spend to keep up. That's the balance you have to strike.
Everyone who says the offer sucks and they won't buy it are making the correct decision that Kabam wants you to make. Implicitly, you're saying the offer is one you can pass up on, because you are passing up on it. And that subtly sends the message to you and everyone else that the offers are no big deal; that you can ignore them if you want. And that's a very important message to send. It is a small price to pay for everyone to think you don't know what you're doing when you set prices, when you know exactly what you're doing and want people to think your offers can be ignored. The whales spend, everyone else thinks the whales aren't getting all that much for their spending (whatever they might claim), and everyone goes on with their lives.
The alternative is everyone thinks all the offers are great, they all have great value, and omg we can't afford to let any of them go by because anyone who doesn't spend is a chump who is missing out on these wonderful A+ offers. Which is actually very destructive to the game in the long run.
I get the theory. Paying to get ahead should carry premium pricing.
And I’m fine with premium offer pricing as long as the offers are even kind of relevant. Recently, most aren’t.
Crumbs of a crumb that one day add up to a collection of crumbs to eventually rank a single champ a single rank. A single catalyst when the game requires 10 or a dozen or more to register any meaningful impact on a champ.
Premium pricing is fine. Combining it with a wildly inflated opinion of value is ridiculous.
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
The content that we showed them has been in development for quite some time now, and you will still hear about it pretty soon!
The CCP will get some looks ahead from time to time to both provide us with concentrated feedback, but also to help them prepare to make content that better educates players on new content.
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
Not too long from now is rather vague... that could mean an hour or it could mean a week depending on your perspective. Can you narrow that in a little bit?
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
Well that just dashed my hopes a bit. I was hoping that the next big announcement would be about the feedback provided in this thread. Your statement makes me think this is going to be more about new end game content instead. Hope I’m wrong
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
That sounds excellent, and I honestly appreciate you guys sifting through the thread(s) and being present
There isn't a single person who doesn't want a great outcome, and I think this platform can deliver that
I dont think thats how it works in this game with cavalier crystals or really any offers. Almost everyday there are complaints about offers and how out of touch they are, but the prices rarely budge. Its whales that they cater to when selling offers. At least thats what Ive heard and seen.
That's because the correct price for most offers is one that most people will complain about.
This is an important F2P balance thing. Every thing you sell offers paying customers an advantage over people who spend less or are free to play. You have to offer them an advantage or they won't spend. But if you offer them too much of an advantage everyone else will say the game goes too far into pay to win territory and you'll lose players, both large numbers of lower spenders that collectively spend a lot, and free to play players that are your future spenders. This is problematic.
Whatever price you set for anything, *someone* will buy it. The lower the price, the more people who will. The higher, the fewer. But the lower the price, the more value you offer, the more you'll alienate everyone else who doesn't buy, and the more pressure you'll put on people to spend to keep up. That's the balance you have to strike.
Everyone who says the offer sucks and they won't buy it are making the correct decision that Kabam wants you to make. Implicitly, you're saying the offer is one you can pass up on, because you are passing up on it. And that subtly sends the message to you and everyone else that the offers are no big deal; that you can ignore them if you want. And that's a very important message to send. It is a small price to pay for everyone to think you don't know what you're doing when you set prices, when you know exactly what you're doing and want people to think your offers can be ignored. The whales spend, everyone else thinks the whales aren't getting all that much for their spending (whatever they might claim), and everyone goes on with their lives.
The alternative is everyone thinks all the offers are great, they all have great value, and omg we can't afford to let any of them go by because anyone who doesn't spend is a chump who is missing out on these wonderful A+ offers. Which is actually very destructive to the game in the long run.
I get the theory. Paying to get ahead should carry premium pricing.
And I’m fine with premium offer pricing as long as the offers are even kind of relevant. Recently, most aren’t.
Crumbs of a crumb that one day add up to a collection of crumbs to eventually rank a single champ a single rank. A single catalyst when the game requires 10 or a dozen or more to register any meaningful impact on a champ.
Premium pricing is fine. Combining it with a wildly inflated opinion of value is ridiculous.
Dr. Zola
It was not my intent to justify premium pricing, actually. It is more a question of value. The fact that you think the value of the offers is irrelevant to you is a part of the whole of designing offers that generate the most revenue possible while offering the least advantage possible in the game.
For example, a lot of people think it is crazy that Kabam still offers 4* stuff for high prices. But that's entirely correct for an F2P game: of course no end game person would buy those unless they were trying to spend Brewster's millions. So we can say with absolute certainty that that offer generates no impact on the higher game whatsoever. The only people who would buy such an offer are people who a) are still progressing through the lower parts of the game, b) are really impatient, because those things aren't hard to get, and c) made of money.
We want their money. They aren't going to miss the money. MCOC gets more revenue. And none of us notices any power creep associated with that spending. That's not silly, or ridiculous, or out of touch, or living in the past. That's F2P monetization perfection.
Whenever the game convinces someone to spend cash and I don't notice any impact on the game, that's the kind of spending I want to see in a game I'm playing. It is one step away from the game setting up a Patreon page.
Not every offer is like that. Some are designed to entice people to spend, hoping to convert a free to play player into a spender. $0.99 crystals are like that. The Sigil itself is like that. Some are designed to offer the occasional block buster package, like the July 4 offers, because sometimes you have to excite the spenders. But whenever the game can get rich people to spend a lot of money on nothing, they should take every such opportunity to sell "irrelevant" things.
I think people assume that if Kabam puts out an offer for a toothpick for a hundred dollars, it is because they are deluded into thinking toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars or they are trying to mind control people into thinking that toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars. But that's not the case at all. They are saying, look, its a toothpick. Don't buy it unless you really want a toothpick and a hundred dollars means less to you than a toothpick.
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
I used to play a game where I used to get a lot of early access information. About a third of it never actually happened, at least in the form I heard about it. Stuff got delayed, stuff got cancelled, stuff got put on the back burner because something came up that made it impractical or impossible to do what they thought they could do.
I didn't freak out about it, call the developer a bunch of liars or incompetents because they couldn't deliver. Because I understood I was getting information that wasn't ready for prime time yet. The CCP people know this as well, and won't in general react that way if Kabam has to change plans or change course. But there's lots of people who would. It is *precisely* the things they are the most excited about that are the most dangerous to release information about prematurely. Because the players can get super hyped up for it only to be disappointed if anything changes.
I dont think thats how it works in this game with cavalier crystals or really any offers. Almost everyday there are complaints about offers and how out of touch they are, but the prices rarely budge. Its whales that they cater to when selling offers. At least thats what Ive heard and seen.
That's because the correct price for most offers is one that most people will complain about.
This is an important F2P balance thing. Every thing you sell offers paying customers an advantage over people who spend less or are free to play. You have to offer them an advantage or they won't spend. But if you offer them too much of an advantage everyone else will say the game goes too far into pay to win territory and you'll lose players, both large numbers of lower spenders that collectively spend a lot, and free to play players that are your future spenders. This is problematic.
Whatever price you set for anything, *someone* will buy it. The lower the price, the more people who will. The higher, the fewer. But the lower the price, the more value you offer, the more you'll alienate everyone else who doesn't buy, and the more pressure you'll put on people to spend to keep up. That's the balance you have to strike.
Everyone who says the offer sucks and they won't buy it are making the correct decision that Kabam wants you to make. Implicitly, you're saying the offer is one you can pass up on, because you are passing up on it. And that subtly sends the message to you and everyone else that the offers are no big deal; that you can ignore them if you want. And that's a very important message to send. It is a small price to pay for everyone to think you don't know what you're doing when you set prices, when you know exactly what you're doing and want people to think your offers can be ignored. The whales spend, everyone else thinks the whales aren't getting all that much for their spending (whatever they might claim), and everyone goes on with their lives.
The alternative is everyone thinks all the offers are great, they all have great value, and omg we can't afford to let any of them go by because anyone who doesn't spend is a chump who is missing out on these wonderful A+ offers. Which is actually very destructive to the game in the long run.
I get the theory. Paying to get ahead should carry premium pricing.
And I’m fine with premium offer pricing as long as the offers are even kind of relevant. Recently, most aren’t.
Crumbs of a crumb that one day add up to a collection of crumbs to eventually rank a single champ a single rank. A single catalyst when the game requires 10 or a dozen or more to register any meaningful impact on a champ.
Premium pricing is fine. Combining it with a wildly inflated opinion of value is ridiculous.
Dr. Zola
It was not my intent to justify premium pricing, actually. It is more a question of value. The fact that you think the value of the offers is irrelevant to you is a part of the whole of designing offers that generate the most revenue possible while offering the least advantage possible in the game.
For example, a lot of people think it is crazy that Kabam still offers 4* stuff for high prices. But that's entirely correct for an F2P game: of course no end game person would buy those unless they were trying to spend Brewster's millions. So we can say with absolute certainty that that offer generates no impact on the higher game whatsoever. The only people who would buy such an offer are people who a) are still progressing through the lower parts of the game, b) are really impatient, because those things aren't hard to get, and c) made of money.
We want their money. They aren't going to miss the money. MCOC gets more revenue. And none of us notices any power creep associated with that spending. That's not silly, or ridiculous, or out of touch, or living in the past. That's F2P monetization perfection.
Whenever the game convinces someone to spend cash and I don't notice any impact on the game, that's the kind of spending I want to see in a game I'm playing. It is one step away from the game setting up a Patreon page.
Not every offer is like that. Some are designed to entice people to spend, hoping to convert a free to play player into a spender. $0.99 crystals are like that. The Sigil itself is like that. Some are designed to offer the occasional block buster package, like the July 4 offers, because sometimes you have to excite the spenders. But whenever the game can get rich people to spend a lot of money on nothing, they should take every such opportunity to sell "irrelevant" things.
I think people assume that if Kabam puts out an offer for a toothpick for a hundred dollars, it is because they are deluded into thinking toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars or they are trying to mind control people into thinking that toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars. But that's not the case at all. They are saying, look, its a toothpick. Don't buy it unless you really want a toothpick and a hundred dollars means less to you than a toothpick.
I agree with that statement. Too often we've heard them say that not all Offers are for everyone, and that's more literal than based on preference. Offers are targeted at a variety of levels of progress. Which is why people at later stages of the game can't resolve how something so trivial to them can be so highly priced. To them, it provides no advantage at all. To someone earlier on, it can. The second part of what you said as well is key because I've said for a long time now, spending only saves time. Aside from a select few things which are solely available for purchase, everything else can be acquired over time. That amount of time varies depending on what it is, but there's also a calculated way things are offered. The last part made me chuckle. I wouldn't say they need to have Millions. They would have to have enough disposable income to reasonably justify buying it. Some just do.
Nearly 3 years playing this game finally decided to quit it for good, thought id contribute to this thread before doing it.
I’ve enjoyed this game that is why ive continued playing for almost 3 years despite the constant grind. I’ve spent occasionally, but mostly free to play. I have done almost every content the game has to offer except act 6 exploration and abyss and been in a t2 alliance and 400m aq score.
Why i decided to quit the game? 1- Flow has been horrible quake, guillotine 2099 and crossbones are the only realistic options to deal with most fights. Got quake a month and a half back and had to learn how to play her and rank 5 her even though i didn’t want to nor enjoy playing with her but guess what with the current state of the game its imperative to do so for war and act 6 both.
2- Wanted to do abyss at least an initial run but guess what i don’t have the right options for it and even if i decide to do it and push myself with some of the champs i have i’d be spending 8000 units instead of approximately 4000 that id need with the right champs.
So I decided abyss can wait ill start on 6.3 or 6.4 exploration and ding ding ding again i don't have the right champs for most paths, every path has super niche counters and I have over 90 5 stars and 20 6 stars and i still don’t have the right counters, so guess what its more wait, hope to pull a doom, a human torch, a guillotine 2099, or a symbiote supreme something that gets me motivated.
3- Nearly 2 months since my act 6 exploration was put on hold ive opened a ton of 5 star crystals a few 6 star crystals and guess what? all trash, stuck at rank 1 with multiple dupes. don’t remember all but the last 14 5 stars have all been dupes of some of the worst champs in the game who don't have any uses in the game apart from being arena fodder, that includes 3 luke cage dupes in a row and 3 hela dupes in a row. Here’s the best part i was looking at champion releases and i haven’t pulled a champ released after JULY 2019, not a single champ released over the past 10 months. This doesn’t just include basic 5 star hero crystals, I’m talking featured cavaliers, basic cavaliers, featured and basic 5 star hero crystals. Of my 20 6 stars i only use 1 regularly, and two more that can be occasionally useful for their utility.
I think it is fair to say a lot of the players play for getting their hands on new champs that is what keeps it interesting but what is the point when you’re never getting the. Then you clear some of the hardest content for the great rewards and instead pull trash champions all that effort was for nothing. My act 6.2 6.3 6.4 completion rewards all turned out to be useless all dupe champs, dupes ill never use, 1 new 6 star from a featured that has no relevance to the current state of the game and if it wasn’t for the solo level up event he wouldn’t even be levelled up. Incursions run another dupe, lol completion more useless dupe. so no matter what content i do if i don’t have a chance of pulling one of the only 20 champs that are relevant at the stage i am whats the point.
The game needs to make more champs usable, it shouldn’t be just 20 25 champs and the rest be useless but at the same time making champs more usable shouldn’t mean being forced to use certain champs like 6.3. The champs need to be more accessible, not just for whales who open 1000 featured cavaliers every month because even if some people want to not everyone can afford that. Lastly, the content shouldn’t be a nightmare where the only way to get content done is to buy your way through it, flow is ridiculous anyone who plays the game can tell you spend enough boosts and revives and potions and you’d still be able to do it but thats not how it should be. Same with act 6, story content thats tailored to just 15-20 champs out of a 170 makes no sense.
I saw some tweets from CCP members, anyone know when they will announce the changes to us? Not sure why they want to keep those a big secret....
It's funny.. one of the CCP posts was praising the openness of kabam.. but considering only a select few are being given information.. i wouldn't call that very open or as kabam likes to call it.. transparent..
I can understand that. They are testing the waters with a limited group of players, and the CCP is a predefined limited group of players they can work with.
Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
I don’t mind a select group getting information first. I honestly don’t.
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
Early release content is not always finalized content. We share that information with the CCP from time to time to help them get ready for Content they want to make surrounding new additions/changes/content in the Contest.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
Well that just dashed my hopes a bit. I was hoping that the next big announcement would be about the feedback provided in this thread. Your statement makes me think this is going to be more about new end game content instead. Hope I’m wrong
Yeah, I do hope that they stayed true to their word and actually had some of their decisions on the future of MCOC influenced by the feedback of the players.
I dont think thats how it works in this game with cavalier crystals or really any offers. Almost everyday there are complaints about offers and how out of touch they are, but the prices rarely budge. Its whales that they cater to when selling offers. At least thats what Ive heard and seen.
That's because the correct price for most offers is one that most people will complain about.
This is an important F2P balance thing. Every thing you sell offers paying customers an advantage over people who spend less or are free to play. You have to offer them an advantage or they won't spend. But if you offer them too much of an advantage everyone else will say the game goes too far into pay to win territory and you'll lose players, both large numbers of lower spenders that collectively spend a lot, and free to play players that are your future spenders. This is problematic.
Whatever price you set for anything, *someone* will buy it. The lower the price, the more people who will. The higher, the fewer. But the lower the price, the more value you offer, the more you'll alienate everyone else who doesn't buy, and the more pressure you'll put on people to spend to keep up. That's the balance you have to strike.
Everyone who says the offer sucks and they won't buy it are making the correct decision that Kabam wants you to make. Implicitly, you're saying the offer is one you can pass up on, because you are passing up on it. And that subtly sends the message to you and everyone else that the offers are no big deal; that you can ignore them if you want. And that's a very important message to send. It is a small price to pay for everyone to think you don't know what you're doing when you set prices, when you know exactly what you're doing and want people to think your offers can be ignored. The whales spend, everyone else thinks the whales aren't getting all that much for their spending (whatever they might claim), and everyone goes on with their lives.
The alternative is everyone thinks all the offers are great, they all have great value, and omg we can't afford to let any of them go by because anyone who doesn't spend is a chump who is missing out on these wonderful A+ offers. Which is actually very destructive to the game in the long run.
I get the theory. Paying to get ahead should carry premium pricing.
And I’m fine with premium offer pricing as long as the offers are even kind of relevant. Recently, most aren’t.
Crumbs of a crumb that one day add up to a collection of crumbs to eventually rank a single champ a single rank. A single catalyst when the game requires 10 or a dozen or more to register any meaningful impact on a champ.
Premium pricing is fine. Combining it with a wildly inflated opinion of value is ridiculous.
Dr. Zola
It was not my intent to justify premium pricing, actually. It is more a question of value. The fact that you think the value of the offers is irrelevant to you is a part of the whole of designing offers that generate the most revenue possible while offering the least advantage possible in the game.
For example, a lot of people think it is crazy that Kabam still offers 4* stuff for high prices. But that's entirely correct for an F2P game: of course no end game person would buy those unless they were trying to spend Brewster's millions. So we can say with absolute certainty that that offer generates no impact on the higher game whatsoever. The only people who would buy such an offer are people who a) are still progressing through the lower parts of the game, b) are really impatient, because those things aren't hard to get, and c) made of money.
We want their money. They aren't going to miss the money. MCOC gets more revenue. And none of us notices any power creep associated with that spending. That's not silly, or ridiculous, or out of touch, or living in the past. That's F2P monetization perfection.
Whenever the game convinces someone to spend cash and I don't notice any impact on the game, that's the kind of spending I want to see in a game I'm playing. It is one step away from the game setting up a Patreon page.
Not every offer is like that. Some are designed to entice people to spend, hoping to convert a free to play player into a spender. $0.99 crystals are like that. The Sigil itself is like that. Some are designed to offer the occasional block buster package, like the July 4 offers, because sometimes you have to excite the spenders. But whenever the game can get rich people to spend a lot of money on nothing, they should take every such opportunity to sell "irrelevant" things.
I think people assume that if Kabam puts out an offer for a toothpick for a hundred dollars, it is because they are deluded into thinking toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars or they are trying to mind control people into thinking that toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars. But that's not the case at all. They are saying, look, its a toothpick. Don't buy it unless you really want a toothpick and a hundred dollars means less to you than a toothpick.
Put the recent $50 Ascendant offer for a T2a and some other scattered cat pieces under your lens. That one falls precisely where? The $50 toothpick?
Your comment suggests the depth to which overvaluation runs in game doesn’t phase you. I would suggest that offers are a symptom, but not the problem. The fact that the team can get away with peddling $100 toothpicks to compulsive spenders doesn’t render such pricing rational or relevant.
Your comment suggests the depth to which overvaluation runs in game doesn’t phase you. I would suggest that offers are a symptom, but not the problem. The fact that the team can get away with peddling $100 toothpicks to compulsive spenders doesn’t render such pricing rational or relevant.
Two things. First, pricing is rational if there's a rational reason for doing it. I just gave a rational reason for doing it. You might not like it, but that doesn't make it irrational. I would do it if I was in charge of monetization, and I favor it as someone on the receiving end, in both cases for rational reasons that in my opinion make the game better than the alternatives.
In part this is a cultural thing. In Asia, you can't generally get away with low value cash offers. They are considered insulting. But contrawise, pay to win, even pay to play, is considered perfectly acceptable. The cultural norm is spenders should get more than non-spenders, because spending is a perfectly acceptable way to get ahead in a game, just like in life. And there is a strong social stigma against people who spend less complaining about what the people who spend more get. Free to play players should shut up and take what they get, even if literally 80% of the game is behind a paywall. Like, the for-real kind of paywall where spending is the only way to get there, not the pretend paywall where spending gets you there faster, and impatient people complain.
In Western games, the opposite tends to be true. Pay to win either makes the game marginal, or kills it outright. Paying players can be seen as getting faster, but not overwhelmingly more. That's not my opinion in either case, this is just the way the respective markets work. That's why it is so difficult to make a microtransaction-based game work in both markets without a lot of overhaul. cf: Man Wei Ge Dou, aka the original MCOC Chinese version.
Second, you can characterize it any way you wish, but it goes both ways. If I'm indifferent to exploiting compulsion, you're ignorant of fundamental game economics and judgmentally insulting to the people who keep your game alive. Characterization is a judgment, not a statement of fact.
This characterization seems to be the kind of thing people are more bold about when it comes to video games. People who would never tell someone to their face that spending $250 a month on Starbucks is stupid would tell them spending $100 a month on a video game is ridiculous. I once upgraded a flight to Tokyo from coach to first class because I decided I wanted to take a nap on the plane. That was a two thousand dollar nap. I don't recall anyone telling me I was a "compulsive spender" for doing it or that the airline was taking advantage of me. A live concert costs $99, the CD costs $29. Nobody says live concerts are irrational in the face of cheaper alternatives.
Unless you're buying a gold brick, the value of the things you buy tends to be largely subjective. And you shouldn't judge, or even assume you have any way to evaluate, how someone else judges value.
To answer your direct question:
Put the recent $50 Ascendant offer for a T2a and some other scattered cat pieces under your lens. That one falls precisely where? The $50 toothpick?
Actually I thought about it, because over the long haul T2A is one of my bigger bottlenecks. And I'm neither a compulsive spender or a weak willed individual when it comes to offers. I decided not to, but it was close.
$50 is a lot of money to a lot of people, but honestly its a tiny fraction of my normal entertainment budget that currently sits mostly untouched, given that these days I'm not really going anywhere. Covid has axed two trips and currently threatening a third. And I was thinking about NYCC before Kabam cancelled.
But yeah, it is a $50 toothpick. Less, even. I've played games that have eventually shut down. I've spent a lot of money on games that have eventually shut down. I know every cent I spend is not getting me anything material or permanent: it is completely temporary. I am paying for an experience, like visiting the Grand Canyon (although it was a bit foggy that day), and the experience is worth whatever I choose to spend on it. And then, like Kaiser Soze, its gone.
The game is 5+ years old now. EVERY 5* crystal should be a nexus style crystal now. There's 150+ champs in the 5* crystal. Goodluck getting the 1 champ you're after. And it takes most players so long to earn the 10k shards to open a new 6* just to see that they've been grinding for months to get a 6* Ant-man, diablo, lady thor, elektra, king groot, and way too many more champs that the vast majority of the player community considers trash to even list here.
The basic 5* crystal should give me 3 champs to choose from, & the basic 6* crystal should give me 2 champs to choose between. Obviously, that's still not a guarantee to get the 1 champ you really want (nor do expect to get every champ I want with every new crystal) but maybe you can get a new champ, or dupe a champ you wanted to dupe instead of duping either of your Magnetos or Cyclops' for the 7th time. Because we know you still have them at r1 lvl1 with no intentions of ever using them.
I love playing this game with the alliance that I've been with for years, but sometimes kabam you make it really hard to like this game. I don't say this because I want the game to fail. I say this because I don't want it to get stale. Something as simple as making my suggestion reality could seriously revitalize the lifeblood that is the longterm player base of mcoc.
Can we please see these suggestions as the new normal?
I don't agree that nexus crystals should replace the regular ones, but I do feel like we should be able to buy a nexus crystal with shards, for maybe like 15,000 shards, and lower the featureds to 13,000 shards.
I'm fine with either idea but I think that the basic should just be a Nexus crystal moving forward if Kabam really wanted to improve the game moving forward and relieve a ton of burnout.
Agreed, replacing basic crystals with nexus ones would go a long way in relieving burnout and satisfying the playerbase
Actually, I think that would be a temporary psychological perk at best. Of course Nexus crystals are "better" than standard Basic crystals, but I don't think they really address the problem. After all, players who pull three times as many 5* champs don't get less burnout, and getting three times the champs is even better than getting a Nexus crystal. To put it another way, if the player that opens one 5* crystal a month has a similar problem to the person that opens ten, the Nexus crystal can't possible do anything more than turn the one a month guy into at best the three a month guy with the same problem.
I think there's a subtle psychological problem that needs addressing here with a more tailored solution. I don't think the person who pulls one actually has the same problem as the person who pulls ten. I think the person who pulls ten sees the crystal devalued: they are just pulling champ after champ after champ, most of which are only good in the long run for generating shards and maybe sig levels. They are just waiting for the next useful pull, and most aren't. These people are, oversimplified a bit, bored. But the guy that opens one isn't bored. She's invested a huge amount of psychological energy into that one crystal, because it is the only one she's getting for a very long time. If it doesn't hit payday, she's not bored, she's disappointed.
Nexus crystals help both, but only indirectly. In a sense, the guy pulling many crystals is now, sort of, seeing them three times faster. But they still feel the sense that most champs that come up are not interesting, so they would still get bored. As soon as they acclimated to Nexus crystals, I think they would return to the same condition. And while the Nexus crystal would increase the chance of not being disappointed for the person only pulling one, that chance only goes up by a relatively small amount. Since they are pulling infrequently, even Nexus crystals have a very good chance of making the player disappointed for a very long period of time with just a couple bad openings.
I think the problem is that the Nexus crystals are too random, not in the general sense, but in the sense that there's no guarantee of variety. I've never seen a Nexus crystal contain two of the same champ. Because that would be silly, so I think Kabam correctly programmed the Nexus to never generate duplicates (if I'm wrong, I apologize here: I've just never seen it myself). But while the champs might not be duplicates, they could still be choices with no real difference. Sometimes I see a Nexus show three choices all of which are basically the same. For example, if all three choices are something the player has max rank, then that choice is *literally* completely worthless. It literally doesn't matter which they pick. That's an extreme case, but it can happen in more subtle ways. Sometimes all three choices are just adding ranks to champs with a couple dups. So in effect, the Nexus crystal becomes sig stones, and sometimes all three choices are champs the player doesn't really care to rank up. So again, the choice is meaningless. I'm not even touching the case where the choices are Deadpool X-force, Magneto, and Iron Patriot.
A better, but more complex Nexus, would try to mix up the champs categorically. Suppose we made a set of categories of champs. Champs released in the last two years. Champs the player doesn't have. Champs the player has unawakened. Champs in the top 30% of burst damage. Champs with strong healing. Champs updated in the last eighteen months. Etc. Not necessarily guaranteed to be completely free of duds, but more likely to contain useful champs that are useful in *different* ways. And then the Nexus crystal picked three *categories* for its three choices, and then picked randomly for each category. Players would have some chance of awakening a champ they have unawakened. They would have a chance to get a champ they didn't have. They would have a chance to get a recent champ. Not a guaranteed chance, because the Nexus would have to pick the category first. But a reasonable chance. And more importantly, the odds of all three champs offering a genuinely different choice to the player would be much higher.
I'm not sure I'm explaining the idea clearly, but I hope the basic concept is understandable. I'm not so much advocating for a Nexus with nothing but god tier champs in it. I'm advocating for a Nexus crystal to not contain "duplicates" where we extend the definition of "duplicate" to be not just literal duplicate, but also champs that for the most part might as well be the same thing. Iron Man, Superior Iron Man, and Iron Patriot really should never show up in the same Nexus crystal simultaneously.
I think this helps both the player pulling one and the player pulling lots. The player pulling one has a greater chance of not being completely disappointed, while the player pulling many has a lower chance of being bored with each crystal, because there's more likely to be significant choice going on per crystal, even if the player is "fishing" for one specific champ out of dozens of crystals. Maybe neither player gets what they want every pull, but they are more likely to get second or third choices. And at least they will feel like their choice is a meaningful choice. Choosing between a new champ and awakening a champ is a meaningful choice, even if neither champ is god tier.
I think the nexus crystal will be the temporary fix we need in the meantime while Kabam can figure out a solution. I quit the game for 6 months in 2017 and it was because of bad rng. The only reason why I played is being I finally pulled Blade and he was all I needed to stay motivated for quite sometime. Another easy fix is more 5 star sigs. So people can move up in the prestige race and go to more competitive alliances. A top 20 guy joined my alliance recently simply because he doesn't spend enough. I'm in a top 90 alliance for context. How is that fun?
Yo! I don't know if someone already suggested it in all the 56 pages, but I think gold crystals on AQ store should be updated, I know arenas and UC arena crystals are the best option to get gold, but tbh, I ain't that type of person who likes to do arenas, specially when you find deathmatches, hate that.
My suggestion is to update them according to progression, 'cause in the AQ store there are just the default ones that give minimum 2.4k gold and, let's be honest, not even buying 50 of those are enough to take a 5* r1 champ to minimum r3*.
Also alliance credits shop (or whatever you call it) should be updated, there are just some class serums, potions or revives at a high cost, boosters are easy to get but the cost should also be reduced according to progression, perhaps (if devs are generous) add cavs (REAL cavs, without 3*), signature crystals, nexus crystals, UC gold crystals and legendary crystals.
Thank you for reading and I really hope some of this features could be added to the game and not be another proposal that is being ignored .
One community whale share his boredom and thoughts everyone else follows. I mean true mcoc has many problems bro. But seatin kinda pushed and cornered himself towards a burn out. I mean what do u expect. Going continue on crystal opening & with new champs, after a certain time it has to feel monotonous. Too much options. I still enjoy holy Trinity. They push for new content in between 24 hours. And well. Obviously they are bored. Way too many maxed out rank 5 champs. But still going for only high tier damage champ for obvious reasons. To finish content quickly. When he does live stream of uncollected monthly eq. Why do u think he brings Cyclops and rocket? He actually enjoys playing with a different champs. That's the whole point this game is also a collect all type games eventually u will end up having every champ. U will end up completing every game mode. That's the point.
Not Taking anything away from him as skill wise obviously. But may be don't push for legends run all the time. Just give yourself break. And travel alliances etc. Build up a good friend circle etc. Surely he has that. From iso8 4loki Now omni.
Understandable he needs new content idea for utube. His main source of income. Make sense. If the game itself becomes boring for him for obvious reasons. What can u do. He has started 7 deadly sins channel too. I mean yeah u can try new games or may be go for injustice. That will pick up some speed cz of DC.
YouTubers or whales they are a part of the community. Not the face. They are players like us. We all have different prospective about this game. Some are happy with just uncollected tittle. Some are happy with Cavilier. They still enjoy the basic cz they have tittles & champs to collect.
One community whale share his boredom and thoughts everyone else follows. I mean true mcoc has many problems bro. But seatin kinda pushed and cornered himself towards a burn out. I mean what do u expect. Going continue on crystal opening & with new champs, after a certain time it has to feel monotonous. Too much options. I still enjoy holy Trinity. They push for new content in between 24 hours. And well. Obviously they are bored. Way too many maxed out rank 5 champs. But still going for only high tier damage champ for obvious reasons. To finish content quickly. When he does live stream of uncollected monthly eq. Why do u think he brings Cyclops and rocket? He actually enjoys playing with a different champs. That's the whole point this game is also a collect all type games eventually u will end up having every champ. U will end up completing every game mode. That's the point.
Not Taking anything away from him as skill wise obviously. But may be don't push for legends run all the time. Just give yourself break. And travel alliances etc. Build up a good friend circle etc. Surely he has that. From iso8 4loki Now omni.
Understandable he needs new content idea for utube. His main source of income. Make sense. If the game itself becomes boring for him for obvious reasons. What can u do. He has started 7 deadly sins channel too. I mean yeah u can try new games or may be go for injustice. That will pick up some speed cz of DC.
YouTubers or whales they are a part of the community. Not the face. They are players like us. We all have different prospective about this game. Some are happy with just uncollected tittle. Some are happy with Cavilier. They still enjoy the basic cz they have tittles & champs to collect.
These are hardly new issues, many of the issues mentioned in this thread have been issues people were having for months, just Seatins video was the catalyst we needed to be heard.
Context I’m at 6.2.6 champion, elders. Done about 70% of variants in total. Playing a year or so out of last 18m. account size circa 450k.
1. Cav eq desperately needed. Uncollected is not a challenge at all bar the odd boss. Therefore a chore for rewards and not too fun.
2. At my level variant content is perfect, challenging, pushes my fairly lean roster. more fun that act 6. I’ll agree I like the content that is hard but rewards skill rather than increasingly only punishes mistakes. I’d like to see a new eq at this level and more variant style content, it’s really fun!
3. Incursions are awesome, again it can be very challenging, I generally top out at room 9-10 sector 7 at the moment but it’s such good fun getting there and using champs I otherwise have collecting dust like red skull for eg. I’d like to see incursions expanded to allow more grinding for rewards, more shards, more gold, Units for eg, as it stands it’s all over very quickly in the month and I’d much rather do this than arena. Also a solo version would be incredible, and allow more flexible play and grinding. Maybe open up the available rewards to cater to more end gamers post room 10 or something...6* shards or whatever...
4. Champion acquisition needs something along the lines of nexus crystals or class crystals for a similar price to featured. There’s too many champs now and in later content counters are too niche. A lot of champs really need high sig or synergy teams. I don’t want to wait 12 months to pull a Roadblock champ when I have the skill to finish the fights otherwise. I accept the RNG but maybe allow us to narrow it down a little.
5. AW I won’t comment on much as far from a priority in our alliance but generally rewards not worth the time put in and happy to opt out or just log in for some silver rewards.
6. AQ I don’t gave a massive problem with doing map5/6 but any QOL improvements would be welcome.
7. Champion buffs - you guys did such a good job on all recent buffs, I’ve taken OML, colossus to r5, she hulk r5 imminent, venom r4. It’s just a shame the majority of the iconic characters are so basic and underpowered. Hulk, magneto, GG etc need making relevant. The gap also between a ghost/Corvus and the lesser champs is so vast it would be great to make the bottom section of the pool in general more useable either by buffs or new synergies or more content like incursions that can make lesser champs shine in more than just one path of one quest so it’s actually worth ranking them.
8. Alliance and solo event rewards desperately need a revamp to include 5* sig stones and other relevant rewards to alliance size or solo progression. The top prizes being 4* stones or shards seems a bit odd even by the time you get uncollected.
9. More freedom to play with masteries would be good. Remove the cost or rearranging once opened up.
So i went on Twitter yesterday and saw that the CCP was given some information that others where not,and i do understand because i work for a company and sometime i would be given some input on changes that others didn't, my issue with that however is in this game you are taking inputs of people that cant relate to 85 % of the people that play the game, i went and check out these players that's on the CCP and they're whats call end game players, most if not all has a YouTube channel which bring them revenue and they spend on crystal opening etc they're almost finish with all in game content, these are the same people that over hype most champ example "OMG proxima Midnight BEYOND GOD TIER OPEN Y'ALL WALLET GET THIS CHAMP GUYS " just to get her and see you cant use her in abyss or LOL due to damage cap and good luck using her in AQ or AW in high tier wars, what i'm saying is Kabam need to take a look at the Game as a whole ask the average Joe hey what do you think about this or that, you cant please everyone but when you are doing things that's just to benefit a small potion of the players or just asking them for their input the response they're going to give cant relate to the average players, some of them beat abyss in day one and you have people who roster cant even take on the first fight what they consider easy or fun the average player will consider difficult, when you guys are creating content think about everyone as a whole not just the 20% of end gamers.
Hopefully Kabam releases the info they told the CCP today. The longer we wait, the more the hype goes down and the more we will be disappointed (only if it's disappointing, the news can also be awesome).
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Unfortunately for me, the forums themselves are ironically not considered a valid content delivery platform.
And I’m fine with premium offer pricing as long as the offers are even kind of relevant. Recently, most aren’t.
Crumbs of a crumb that one day add up to a collection of crumbs to eventually rank a single champ a single rank. A single catalyst when the game requires 10 or a dozen or more to register any meaningful impact on a champ.
Premium pricing is fine. Combining it with a wildly inflated opinion of value is ridiculous.
Dr. Zola
What I would prefer to see happen, if the reception was, indeed, positive, that you release the information to the masses, basically, well, today.
I would totally understand if it was the opposite, if the reception was chilly. You wait and work on it some more.
But right now... it’s a weird place that we’re in with the game. Maybe even in the world, without ascribing too much hyperbole.
But to me, right now, this community could use a little excitement. Maybe even a little hope.
People just want the game to be fun and they want to feel like the developers want the experience, financial and time investment to be worthwhile.
I would release information today, but that is just me. I am aggressive about these things. Because if the information is out there, it’s out there. Everyone who is a stakeholder can share in it
The CCP will get some looks ahead from time to time to both provide us with concentrated feedback, but also to help them prepare to make content that better educates players on new content.
This information we shared with the CCP was about content that we've been working on for a while now and is almost ready to share with the world. We'll release all of this information to players as soon as it's ready, and that's not too long from now!
There isn't a single person who doesn't want a great outcome, and I think this platform can deliver that
For example, a lot of people think it is crazy that Kabam still offers 4* stuff for high prices. But that's entirely correct for an F2P game: of course no end game person would buy those unless they were trying to spend Brewster's millions. So we can say with absolute certainty that that offer generates no impact on the higher game whatsoever. The only people who would buy such an offer are people who a) are still progressing through the lower parts of the game, b) are really impatient, because those things aren't hard to get, and c) made of money.
We want their money. They aren't going to miss the money. MCOC gets more revenue. And none of us notices any power creep associated with that spending. That's not silly, or ridiculous, or out of touch, or living in the past. That's F2P monetization perfection.
Whenever the game convinces someone to spend cash and I don't notice any impact on the game, that's the kind of spending I want to see in a game I'm playing. It is one step away from the game setting up a Patreon page.
Not every offer is like that. Some are designed to entice people to spend, hoping to convert a free to play player into a spender. $0.99 crystals are like that. The Sigil itself is like that. Some are designed to offer the occasional block buster package, like the July 4 offers, because sometimes you have to excite the spenders. But whenever the game can get rich people to spend a lot of money on nothing, they should take every such opportunity to sell "irrelevant" things.
I think people assume that if Kabam puts out an offer for a toothpick for a hundred dollars, it is because they are deluded into thinking toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars or they are trying to mind control people into thinking that toothpicks are worth a hundred dollars. But that's not the case at all. They are saying, look, its a toothpick. Don't buy it unless you really want a toothpick and a hundred dollars means less to you than a toothpick.
I didn't freak out about it, call the developer a bunch of liars or incompetents because they couldn't deliver. Because I understood I was getting information that wasn't ready for prime time yet. The CCP people know this as well, and won't in general react that way if Kabam has to change plans or change course. But there's lots of people who would. It is *precisely* the things they are the most excited about that are the most dangerous to release information about prematurely. Because the players can get super hyped up for it only to be disappointed if anything changes.
I’ve enjoyed this game that is why ive continued playing for almost 3 years despite the constant grind. I’ve spent occasionally, but mostly free to play. I have done almost every content the game has to offer except act 6 exploration and abyss and been in a t2 alliance and 400m aq score.
Why i decided to quit the game?
1- Flow has been horrible quake, guillotine 2099 and crossbones are the only realistic options to deal with most fights. Got quake a month and a half back and had to learn how to play her and rank 5 her even though i didn’t want to nor enjoy playing with her but guess what with the current state of the game its imperative to do so for war and act 6 both.
2- Wanted to do abyss at least an initial run but guess what i don’t have the right options for it and even if i decide to do it and push myself with some of the champs i have i’d be spending 8000 units instead of approximately 4000 that id need with the right champs.
So I decided abyss can wait ill start on 6.3 or 6.4 exploration and ding ding ding again i don't have the right champs for most paths, every path has super niche counters and I have over 90 5 stars and 20 6 stars and i still don’t have the right counters, so guess what its more wait, hope to pull a doom, a human torch, a guillotine 2099, or a symbiote supreme something that gets me motivated.
3- Nearly 2 months since my act 6 exploration was put on hold ive opened a ton of 5 star crystals a few 6 star crystals and guess what? all trash, stuck at rank 1 with multiple dupes. don’t remember all but the last 14 5 stars have all been dupes of some of the worst champs in the game who don't have any uses in the game apart from being arena fodder, that includes 3 luke cage dupes in a row and 3 hela dupes in a row. Here’s the best part i was looking at champion releases and i haven’t pulled a champ released after JULY 2019, not a single champ released over the past 10 months. This doesn’t just include basic 5 star hero crystals, I’m talking featured cavaliers, basic cavaliers, featured and basic 5 star hero crystals. Of my 20 6 stars i only use 1 regularly, and two more that can be occasionally useful for their utility.
I think it is fair to say a lot of the players play for getting their hands on new champs that is what keeps it interesting but what is the point when you’re never getting the. Then you clear some of the hardest content for the great rewards and instead pull trash champions all that effort was for nothing. My act 6.2 6.3 6.4 completion rewards all turned out to be useless all dupe champs, dupes ill never use, 1 new 6 star from a featured that has no relevance to the current state of the game and if it wasn’t for the solo level up event he wouldn’t even be levelled up. Incursions run another dupe, lol completion more useless dupe. so no matter what content i do if i don’t have a chance of pulling one of the only 20 champs that are relevant at the stage i am whats the point.
The game needs to make more champs usable, it shouldn’t be just 20 25 champs and the rest be useless but at the same time making champs more usable shouldn’t mean being forced to use certain champs like 6.3. The champs need to be more accessible, not just for whales who open 1000 featured cavaliers every month because even if some people want to not everyone can afford that. Lastly, the content shouldn’t be a nightmare where the only way to get content done is to buy your way through it, flow is ridiculous anyone who plays the game can tell you spend enough boosts and revives and potions and you’d still be able to do it but thats not how it should be. Same with act 6, story content thats tailored to just 15-20 champs out of a 170 makes no sense.
Your comment suggests the depth to which overvaluation runs in game doesn’t phase you. I would suggest that offers are a symptom, but not the problem. The fact that the team can get away with peddling $100 toothpicks to compulsive spenders doesn’t render such pricing rational or relevant.
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In part this is a cultural thing. In Asia, you can't generally get away with low value cash offers. They are considered insulting. But contrawise, pay to win, even pay to play, is considered perfectly acceptable. The cultural norm is spenders should get more than non-spenders, because spending is a perfectly acceptable way to get ahead in a game, just like in life. And there is a strong social stigma against people who spend less complaining about what the people who spend more get. Free to play players should shut up and take what they get, even if literally 80% of the game is behind a paywall. Like, the for-real kind of paywall where spending is the only way to get there, not the pretend paywall where spending gets you there faster, and impatient people complain.
In Western games, the opposite tends to be true. Pay to win either makes the game marginal, or kills it outright. Paying players can be seen as getting faster, but not overwhelmingly more. That's not my opinion in either case, this is just the way the respective markets work. That's why it is so difficult to make a microtransaction-based game work in both markets without a lot of overhaul. cf: Man Wei Ge Dou, aka the original MCOC Chinese version.
Second, you can characterize it any way you wish, but it goes both ways. If I'm indifferent to exploiting compulsion, you're ignorant of fundamental game economics and judgmentally insulting to the people who keep your game alive. Characterization is a judgment, not a statement of fact.
This characterization seems to be the kind of thing people are more bold about when it comes to video games. People who would never tell someone to their face that spending $250 a month on Starbucks is stupid would tell them spending $100 a month on a video game is ridiculous. I once upgraded a flight to Tokyo from coach to first class because I decided I wanted to take a nap on the plane. That was a two thousand dollar nap. I don't recall anyone telling me I was a "compulsive spender" for doing it or that the airline was taking advantage of me. A live concert costs $99, the CD costs $29. Nobody says live concerts are irrational in the face of cheaper alternatives.
Unless you're buying a gold brick, the value of the things you buy tends to be largely subjective. And you shouldn't judge, or even assume you have any way to evaluate, how someone else judges value.
To answer your direct question: Actually I thought about it, because over the long haul T2A is one of my bigger bottlenecks. And I'm neither a compulsive spender or a weak willed individual when it comes to offers. I decided not to, but it was close.
$50 is a lot of money to a lot of people, but honestly its a tiny fraction of my normal entertainment budget that currently sits mostly untouched, given that these days I'm not really going anywhere. Covid has axed two trips and currently threatening a third. And I was thinking about NYCC before Kabam cancelled.
But yeah, it is a $50 toothpick. Less, even. I've played games that have eventually shut down. I've spent a lot of money on games that have eventually shut down. I know every cent I spend is not getting me anything material or permanent: it is completely temporary. I am paying for an experience, like visiting the Grand Canyon (although it was a bit foggy that day), and the experience is worth whatever I choose to spend on it. And then, like Kaiser Soze, its gone.
My suggestion is to update them according to progression, 'cause in the AQ store there are just the default ones that give minimum 2.4k gold and, let's be honest, not even buying 50 of those are enough to take a 5* r1 champ to minimum r3*.
Also alliance credits shop (or whatever you call it) should be updated, there are just some class serums, potions or revives at a high cost, boosters are easy to get but the cost should also be reduced according to progression, perhaps (if devs are generous) add cavs (REAL cavs, without 3*), signature crystals, nexus crystals, UC gold crystals and legendary crystals.
Thank you for reading and I really hope some of this features could be added to the game and not be another proposal that is being ignored
I mean true mcoc has many problems bro. But seatin kinda pushed and cornered himself towards a burn out.
I mean what do u expect.
Going continue on crystal opening & with new champs, after a certain time it has to feel monotonous. Too much options. I still enjoy holy Trinity.
They push for new content in between 24 hours.
And well.
Obviously they are bored.
Way too many maxed out rank 5 champs. But still going for only high tier damage champ for obvious reasons. To finish content quickly. When he does live stream of uncollected monthly eq. Why do u think he brings Cyclops and rocket? He actually enjoys playing with a different champs.
That's the whole point this game is also a collect all type games eventually u will end up having every champ.
U will end up completing every game mode. That's the point.
Not Taking anything away from him as skill wise obviously. But may be don't push for legends run all the time.
Just give yourself break. And travel alliances etc.
Build up a good friend circle etc. Surely he has that.
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Now omni.
Understandable he needs new content idea for utube.
His main source of income.
Make sense. If the game itself becomes boring for him for obvious reasons.
What can u do.
He has started 7 deadly sins channel too. I mean yeah u can try new games or may be go for injustice. That will pick up some speed cz of DC.
YouTubers or whales they are a part of the community. Not the face.
They are players like us. We all have different prospective about this game.
Some are happy with just uncollected tittle.
Some are happy with Cavilier.
They still enjoy the basic cz they have tittles & champs to collect.
Context I’m at 6.2.6 champion, elders. Done about 70% of variants in total. Playing a year or so out of last 18m. account size circa 450k.
1. Cav eq desperately needed. Uncollected is not a challenge at all bar the odd boss. Therefore a chore for rewards and not too fun.
2. At my level variant content is perfect, challenging, pushes my fairly lean roster. more fun that act 6. I’ll agree I like the content that is hard but rewards skill rather than increasingly only punishes mistakes. I’d like to see a new eq at this level and more variant style content, it’s really fun!
3. Incursions are awesome, again it can be very challenging, I generally top out at room 9-10 sector 7 at the moment but it’s such good fun getting there and using champs I otherwise have collecting dust like red skull for eg. I’d like to see incursions expanded to allow more grinding for rewards, more shards, more gold, Units for eg, as it stands it’s all over very quickly in the month and I’d much rather do this than arena. Also a solo version would be incredible, and allow more flexible play and grinding. Maybe open up the available rewards to cater to more end gamers post room 10 or something...6* shards or whatever...
4. Champion acquisition needs something along the lines of nexus crystals or class crystals for a similar price to featured. There’s too many champs now and in later content counters are too niche. A lot of champs really need high sig or synergy teams. I don’t want to wait 12 months to pull a Roadblock champ when I have the skill to finish the fights otherwise. I accept the RNG but maybe allow us to narrow it down a little.
5. AW I won’t comment on much as far from a priority in our alliance but generally rewards not worth the time put in and happy to opt out or just log in for some silver rewards.
6. AQ I don’t gave a massive problem with doing map5/6 but any QOL improvements would be welcome.
7. Champion buffs - you guys did such a good job on all recent buffs, I’ve taken OML, colossus to r5, she hulk r5 imminent, venom r4. It’s just a shame the majority of the iconic characters are so basic and underpowered. Hulk, magneto, GG etc need making relevant. The gap also between a ghost/Corvus and the lesser champs is so vast it would be great to make the bottom section of the pool in general more useable either by buffs or new synergies or more content like incursions that can make lesser champs shine in more than just one path of one quest so it’s actually worth ranking them.
8. Alliance and solo event rewards desperately need a revamp to include 5* sig stones and other relevant rewards to alliance size or solo progression. The top prizes being 4* stones or shards seems a bit odd even by the time you get uncollected.
9. More freedom to play with masteries would be good. Remove the cost or rearranging once opened up.