7 star Sandman’s damage is pathetic

SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
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His "buff" made his sig the thing that gives him his damage, so the 7 star Sandman from the crystal absolutely sucks.
Apart from that, let’s not forget they nerfed his maximum damage by quite a lot and this results in him taking a macthup like RoL Juggernaut, which is really ideal for his utility, a slug fest…

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  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,032 ★★★★★
    Needs to be awakened
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★


    6 star rank 4 sig 200, the result is also very tragic, this damage is so bad…
  • RenaxqqRenaxqq Member Posts: 1,639 ★★★★
    edited December 2023
    Got new 7* crystal from GBC too and guess what, pulled Sandman. At least new 7* for collection. Definitely cool as character but that's it...
  • Ansh_AAnsh_A Member Posts: 616 ★★★
    He is one of the biggest tragedies of mcoc. Such unique powers, Kabam could have done so much with his kit and given him great immunity combos, played with how the sand texture reduces physical/enegy damage, used various forms like abs man (glass form maybe?), new damage over time debuffs, etc.

    He is currently good at countering heal and stalling but has too niche a use in the meta without the damage to back him up.
  • Lo67KiLo67Ki Member Posts: 56 ★
    Crazy
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    SecondSkriller said:

    The "buff" also did NOTHING for him in battlegrounds, no one uses him there and I’m in mysterium, he’s slow as hell.
    Why did they then revert it again to this absolute terrible state it is in now?

    I'd been taking 7* Mangogs with my r4 the whole season in a minute or so which isn't slow as hell so I disagree.
    I do agree with the other part though, 7* sucks cause his damage comes from max sig basically.
  • TripleBTripleB Member Posts: 263 ★★
    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.
  • GhostboytjieGhostboytjie Member Posts: 2,375 ★★★★★
    As the owner of a R5 ascended sandman, he needs dupe and possibly high to max sig
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Ghostboytjie said:

    As the owner of a R5 ascended sandman, he needs dupe and possibly high to max sig

    Definitely max sig
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    The sig 20 boosted his damage significantly already, I’m so sorry for the people who just pull and don’t dupe him…
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★

  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,435 ★★★★
    Just pulled him myself from the solo milestone crystal. Fingers crossed the alliance milestone gives someone better.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.



    I beg to differ. He was my first R5 and first ascended and one of my most used champs
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    But if you do use suicides, he is arguably better than doom
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,435 ★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    As Jon said in the stream the other day, Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    As Jon said in the stream the other day, Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Yep that's the main reason indeed, it's not that he's bad it's just that AA exists and he overshadows Diablo almost completely.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★
    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    As Jon said in the stream the other day, Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    There is overlap, but Diablo handles scenarios AA can't, such as bleed immunity and nullify buffs. Not to mention he heals from poison and Sp3 making him more sustainable.

    They are both amazing champs I use often, but I wouldn't say one makes the other obsolete
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★★
    Karatemike415 said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Archangel and Diablo do completely different things?
    All they have in common is that poison is one of their sources of damage.
    What benefit is diablo apart from the poison damage
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Karatemike415 said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Archangel and Diablo do completely different things?
    All they have in common is that poison is one of their sources of damage.
    I think he meant in the sense that they melt the health bar with dot effects and their playstyle is parry heavy, not the actual utility in their kits.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Lokx said:

    Karatemike415 said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Archangel and Diablo do completely different things?
    All they have in common is that poison is one of their sources of damage.
    What benefit is diablo apart from the poison damage
    Nullify, regen, armor break immunity, poison obviously cancels healing, poison resistance. Did you even read his kit before saying he sucks without suicides? Lol
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★★
    edited December 2023
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    Karatemike415 said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Archangel and Diablo do completely different things?
    All they have in common is that poison is one of their sources of damage.
    What benefit is diablo apart from the poison damage
    Nullify, regen, armor break immunity, poison obviously cancels healing, poison resistance. Did you even read his kit before saying he sucks without suicides? Lol
    He was on my roster a lot when i started out and i’m well aware of all of these qualities but they’re not the most easy to access as compared to a lot of other champs who can do these. The most useful being nullify and regen and black widow cv does this way better with easier access to the ability. I think sandman is worse but i still don’t think he would be the main use for people unless you run suicides.
  • Karatemike415Karatemike415 Member, Administrator, Content Creators Posts: 724 Content Creator
    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    Karatemike415 said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Lokx said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    TripleB said:

    I'll trade you my duped 7* diablo. Sandman isn't top tier but at least he is used, no one talks about diablo cause no one uses him for a reason.

    What is blud wafflin about? 💀
    Diablo is probably the second best pull in the entire crystal.
    He really isn’t if you don’t use suicides.
    I disagree, I use him without suicides, works just fine, not a nuke but he's still viable. Also, he's going to be great for BGs season 14.
    Diablo's good and would probably be used a lot more....but Archangel does the same thing, just better.
    Archangel and Diablo do completely different things?
    All they have in common is that poison is one of their sources of damage.
    What benefit is diablo apart from the poison damage
    Nullify, regen, armor break immunity, poison obviously cancels healing, poison resistance. Did you even read his kit before saying he sucks without suicides? Lol
    i’m well aware of all of these qualities but they’re not the most easy to access as compared to a lot of other champs who can do these.
    All you have to do is use a Special and it all happens automatically without having to do anything, he actually has one of the easiest ways to access all of those things.
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