Is Kabam in breach of their own TOS by having item stash?

Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
edited August 12 in General Discussion
i was just reading through Kabams TOS as most of us have probably not and it just came to me. exactly what is considered a site item???? the reason i ask this is under section 7 of the TOS it states "Virtual Currency and Site Items will not expire and will not incur fees for non-use" i would assume that potions, catalysts, iso and so forth would all be "site items" and thereby forcing us to utilize a stash where it is possible for one of the items to expire is in fact a breach of their own TOS meaning they they would need to refund everybody every item lost due to expiration. compensation for items we sold for fear of them expiring and lastly but most importantly to remove stash from the game. Thoughts???
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  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.
  • chunkybchunkyb Posts: 449
    Not to have the white knights and lawyer bros coming after me but..... Plenty of these iron clad, multi loophole tos's have been struck down. Granted, no one is gonna waste their time fighting it unless the wrong person gets super angry. But it still irks me when so many folks on here put it on such a high "pedal stool"... That's always gonna be one of my favorites internet misspellings and it'll never grow old and I'll use it every time I can.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    edited August 12
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    I understand they can modify it. But they would need to modify the TOS to allow it. Which they could easily do but have not.
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    edited August 12
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    I understand they can modify it. But they would need to modify the TOS to allow it. Which they could easily do
    They reserve the right to suspend as well
  • StrategicStrategic Posts: 119
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    True. But then they would also have to change their terms of service. What is written in the terms of service is legally binding as long as it is still written in the terms of service. So as long as it's still saying that they are indeed in breach of their own TOS.
    Kinda like going to the store and buying something that has a price tag of 10$ on it only to get to the register and the cashier tells you that it's actually 50$. The law says if the price tag says it 10$ then they can't sell it for more than that.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    I understand they can modify it. But they would need to modify the TOS to allow it. Which they could easily do
    They reserve the right to suspend as well

    Imolying they may suspend my account for questioning them on this... yeah maybe they would. But regardless any changes may not require notice to us but would need to be reflected in an adjustment to the TOS.
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    edited August 12
    Strategic wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    True. But then they would also have to change their terms of service. What is written in the terms of service is legally binding as long as it is still written in the terms of service. So as long as it's still saying that they are indeed in breach of their own TOS.
    Kinda like going to the store and buying something that has a price tag of 10$ on it only to get to the register and the cashier tells you that it's actually 50$. The law says if the price tag says it 10$ then they can't sell it for more than that.

    W what they literally put they reserve the right to modify and suspend that covers all in a legal court don't belive me? Try to sue them see what happens
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Strategic wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    True. But then they would also have to change their terms of service. What is written in the terms of service is legally binding as long as it is still written in the terms of service. So as long as it's still saying that they are indeed in breach of their own TOS.
    Kinda like going to the store and buying something that has a price tag of 10$ on it only to get to the register and the cashier tells you that it's actually 50$. The law says if the price tag says it 10$ then they can't sell it for more than that.

    W what they literally put they reserve the right to modify and suspend that covers all in a legal court don't belive me? Try to sue them see what happens

    Have the right to modify the TOS. Yes but everything needs to reflect the TOS
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Strategic wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    True. But then they would also have to change their terms of service. What is written in the terms of service is legally binding as long as it is still written in the terms of service. So as long as it's still saying that they are indeed in breach of their own TOS.
    Kinda like going to the store and buying something that has a price tag of 10$ on it only to get to the register and the cashier tells you that it's actually 50$. The law says if the price tag says it 10$ then they can't sell it for more than that.

    Notice how somewhere on that tag is something about tax? Same with mcoc while paragagraph 7 might be there paragraph 3 also would cover it



    Kabam has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Virtual Currency and/or Site Items as it sees fit in its sole discretion, and Kabam shall have no liability to you or anyone else for the exercise of such rights. For example, Virtual Currency and Site Items will be lost, deleted from your Account, or forfeited when/if your Account is terminated, suspended or closed for any reason or when Kabam discontinues any or all of the Websites or Services, including without limitation any Services provided or offered through Third Party Platforms. 
    This is in paragraph seven as well pretty much covers them in regards to item cap
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Strategic wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Right to Modify. We reserve the right, at any time, to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Websites, the Materials, the Services, or any part or parts thereof with or without notice. You agree that Kabam will not be liable to you or to any third party for any such modification, suspension, or discontinuation.

    True. But then they would also have to change their terms of service. What is written in the terms of service is legally binding as long as it is still written in the terms of service. So as long as it's still saying that they are indeed in breach of their own TOS.
    Kinda like going to the store and buying something that has a price tag of 10$ on it only to get to the register and the cashier tells you that it's actually 50$. The law says if the price tag says it 10$ then they can't sell it for more than that.

    W what they literally put they reserve the right to modify and suspend that covers all in a legal court don't belive me? Try to sue them see what happens

    Have the right to modify the TOS. Yes but everything needs to reflect the TOS

    Kabam has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Virtual Currency and/or Site Items as it sees fit in its sole discretion, and Kabam shall have no liability to you or anyone else for the exercise of such rights. For example, Virtual Currency and Site Items will be lost, deleted from your Account, or forfeited when/if your Account is terminated, suspended or closed for any reason or when Kabam discontinues any or all of the Websites or Services, including without limitation any Services provided or offered through Third Party Platforms. 
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 511
    Kabam has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Virtual Currency and/or Site Items as it sees fit in its sole discretion,


    Could've kept reading. Probably should.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 3,601
    edited August 12
    First of all, it's their product. They are never in breach of their own TOS. They create the rules. Secondly, they're talking mostly about Units here. "Virtual Currency". As for the Site Items, there is a limit to how many you can hold. They will never expire IF you have room to store them. The Stash is a limited-time holder for said Items.
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    edited August 13
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    edited August 13
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    BOI READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK FOR A SEC WHAT IS REGUALTING AND WHAT IS ITEM CAP

    EXPIRING IS ANOTHER FORM OF (fill in the blank)
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 3,601
    edited August 13
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    In that TOS, they reserve ownership and the right to modify their product. The Items are not ours, just as the Accounts are not. If they see fit to have an expiry on Items in the Stash, that's their prerogative. You would be hard-pressed to find a legal argument to the expiry of materials that holds up. The point I'm making is the unwritten rule of any company is C.Y.A. Cover Your....you get the point. It is their product, and the TOS are written by them. If you're trying to find a loophole in the TOS that will entitle people to a Stash that doesn't have an expiration, you may be wasting your energy. If someone makes a purchase and has a full Inventory, the onus is on them with the knowledge that they have limited space. Other than that, there is no plausible argument because Virtual Currency does not expire.
  • Mainer123Mainer123 Posts: 120
    The big thing I see is kabam in tos. Isn't it netmarble now?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 3,601
    Mainer123 wrote: »
    The big thing I see is kabam in tos. Isn't it netmarble now?

    Netmarble bought the Vancouver Studio that produces the game. Still the same people.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Mainer123 wrote: »
    The big thing I see is kabam in tos. Isn't it netmarble now?

    kabam is still the production and development company. is just the ownership is netmarble...
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    BOI READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK FOR A SEC WHAT IS REGUALTING AND WHAT IS ITEM CAP

    EXPIRING IS ANOTHER FORM OF (fill in the blank)

    yes expiring is a form of regulating you are correct on on that point. please do not be rude and yell at me in capitals and please do not insult and condescend me with the use of a racist term "BOI". i have not been rude or disrespectful to you please extend the same courtesy unto myself.

    however as the TOS clearly states "cannot expire" this cannot be an acceptable form or regulating. there is no question here about the cap itself that is all good. it is the fact they state not expire yet here we are with expiring items. regulating would need to be done via a different method.
  • MegaSkater67MegaSkater67 Posts: 423
    When it refers to in game currency, I would assume that relates to units, loyalty, gold, battlechips and glory, all of which can be saved if you don't want to use them. I don't think it includes items since you acquire those through the in game currencies I just mentioned. Like using money to buy a product, you use units to acquire an item. At least that's the way I understand it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 3,601
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    BOI READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK FOR A SEC WHAT IS REGUALTING AND WHAT IS ITEM CAP

    EXPIRING IS ANOTHER FORM OF (fill in the blank)

    yes expiring is a form of regulating you are correct on on that point. please do not be rude and yell at me in capitals and please do not insult and condescend me with the use of a racist term "BOI". i have not been rude or disrespectful to you please extend the same courtesy unto myself.

    however as the TOS clearly states "cannot expire" this cannot be an acceptable form or regulating. there is no question here about the cap itself that is all good. it is the fact they state not expire yet here we are with expiring items. regulating would need to be done via a different method.

    The expiration is part of the regulating. It ensures that a certain amount is held and used. I can assure you, they are well within their rights to place a time limit on what we hold in the Stash.
    As for the comment, I'm not sure how I see that as being racist. It's slang.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    When it refers to in game currency, I would assume that relates to units, loyalty, gold, battlechips and glory, all of which can be saved if you don't want to use them. I don't think it includes items since you acquire those through the in game currencies I just mentioned. Like using money to buy a product, you use units to acquire an item. At least that's the way I understand it.

    it clearly states a difference between "virtual currency" and "site items"..... cus the way the TOS comes across is that i could buy units then buy 1000 potions and they would always be available for me to use./ however we know that is not thew case. i would have a limited time to use my product.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    BOI READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK FOR A SEC WHAT IS REGUALTING AND WHAT IS ITEM CAP

    EXPIRING IS ANOTHER FORM OF (fill in the blank)

    yes expiring is a form of regulating you are correct on on that point. please do not be rude and yell at me in capitals and please do not insult and condescend me with the use of a racist term "BOI". i have not been rude or disrespectful to you please extend the same courtesy unto myself.

    however as the TOS clearly states "cannot expire" this cannot be an acceptable form or regulating. there is no question here about the cap itself that is all good. it is the fact they state not expire yet here we are with expiring items. regulating would need to be done via a different method.

    The expiration is part of the regulating. It ensures that a certain amount is held and used. I can assure you, they are well within their rights to place a time limit on what we hold in the Stash.
    As for the comment, I'm not sure how I see that as being racist. It's slang.

    boy is a racist term.... however not arguing that here the rest of the comment was still very aggressive and condescending.
    but regardless that is not the point here. i still would like to hear from kabam on this as cannot expire clearly means only one thing and that is cannot expire. as much as they can regulate anything however they want they have clearly stated they cannot expire.
    not having a go at you but are you a laywer? do you have a law background?
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    it is one thing for them to eliminate an item. that would be for say discontinuing an item.... removing it from the store for example. but to have a potion expire that came as a part of a deal i used my real world money for seems very much to go against the TOS....
    @Sirnoob i can understand where you are coming from to a point. yes they do have the right to modify anything in anyway they want. however anything they change must however fall within the TOS. if it falls outside the TOS then the TOS must be modified to cover said change or else it is invalid. it seems to me as the TOS was written before there was an item stash and then when they decided too add the stash they never modified the TOS.
    would really love to hear kabams side
    @Kabam Miike

    If u read what I posted u would see further down it says they control the right to REGULATE see that's the key word REGULATE now pretty sure item caps falls under that if u don't think so and think you have any legal standing go ahead try and sue
    Think of it like this kabam says you can only have X in ur inv for X amount of time this is them regulating items
    Just like if ur parents say u can only play a game for X amount of time there regulating ur video game usage
    Sorry if I can off like a prick I suck at explainin legal things and try to keep it simple

    Was never saying i was gunna sue them... merely asking the question... i just see that yes they have the right to modify etc however they by modifying in such a manner as expiration that clearly breaches a previous point in the TOS.

    Also @GroundedWisdom to say it is their product and they can never be in breach of their own product is incorrect. The TOS are alwayd to be followed by the operatort and the user. It is just as much so we know what they can and cant do as we are agreeing to allow them to do what it sates as it is to control wat we can and cant do. It would be like saying the government can do whatever they want cus they set the laws. They may try but the laws always hold up....

    BOI READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK FOR A SEC WHAT IS REGUALTING AND WHAT IS ITEM CAP

    EXPIRING IS ANOTHER FORM OF (fill in the blank)

    yes expiring is a form of regulating you are correct on on that point. please do not be rude and yell at me in capitals and please do not insult and condescend me with the use of a racist term "BOI". i have not been rude or disrespectful to you please extend the same courtesy unto myself.

    however as the TOS clearly states "cannot expire" this cannot be an acceptable form or regulating. there is no question here about the cap itself that is all good. it is the fact they state not expire yet here we are with expiring items. regulating would need to be done via a different method.

    The expiration is part of the regulating. It ensures that a certain amount is held and used. I can assure you, they are well within their rights to place a time limit on what we hold in the Stash.
    As for the comment, I'm not sure how I see that as being racist. It's slang.

    boy is a racist term.... however not arguing that here the rest of the comment was still very aggressive and condescending.
    but regardless that is not the point here. i still would like to hear from kabam on this as cannot expire clearly means only one thing and that is cannot expire. as much as they can regulate anything however they want they have clearly stated they cannot expire.
    not having a go at you but are you a laywer? do you have a law background?

    One if boi is racist then pretty sure half the internet is racist
    2 no but I do know enough about the law to l know when I see a stupid lawsuit plus I grew up around them and have my own so after a while you kinda learn stuff (like when a stupid lawsuit is about to come up)
    3 this is a dissucion board as kabam mods have said in the past if you want one one support submit a ticket
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Also a gender is racist?
  • JewJawsJewJaws Posts: 33
    bias Tos by them
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 178
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Also a gender is racist?

    pretty sure you should do some research as this term goes back to slavery in america.... anyway the point was about you being condecending toward me.... so racist or not does not change the way you were talking down to me...

    moving along.....
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    One if boi is racist then pretty sure half the internet is racist
    2 no but I do know enough about the law to l know when I see a stupid lawsuit plus I grew up around them and have my own so after a while you kinda learn stuff (like when a stupid lawsuit is about to come up)
    3 this is a dissucion board as kabam mods have said in the past if you want one one support submit a ticket

    i have previously said i was not looking to sue anybody.... and obviously this is a discussion board hense why i posted here for a discussion...
  • SirnoobSirnoob Posts: 686
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    Also a gender is racist?

    pretty sure you should do some research as this term goes back to slavery in america.... anyway the point was about you being condecending toward me.... so racist or not does not change the way you were talking down to me...

    moving along.....
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    One if boi is racist then pretty sure half the internet is racist
    2 no but I do know enough about the law to l know when I see a stupid lawsuit plus I grew up around them and have my own so after a while you kinda learn stuff (like when a stupid lawsuit is about to come up)
    3 this is a dissucion board as kabam mods have said in the past if you want one one support submit a ticket

    i have previously said i was not looking to sue anybody.... and obviously this is a discussion board hense why i posted here for a discussion...
    Forgot every little thing now and days is a race thing
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