War Matchmaking [Edited for Clarity]

Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
edited January 17 in General Discussion
3 time AW season champs against a middling Plat3 alliance with a war rating difference of over 700 points.

Good job, guys.

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  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
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    hahaha, yeah basically
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  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
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    If it were a joke. But, it's pointed criticism.
  • MrBanksMrBanks Posts: 769
    Husky54 wrote: »
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    If it were a joke. But, it's pointed criticism.

    I think he joined the forums just to post that lol
  • Damn, that's messed up.
  • AgentVAgentV Posts: 5
    edited January 17
    absolutely unfair to other top Master allies who spend to earn their points to stay in Top 5!
  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
    Ok, so serious question:

    How can you all seriously expect us to buy into this system when it's this broken? How can season ranks and rewards be taken seriously when you're not doing the ground work to ensure that the system is legitimately fair?
  • @Husky54 actually it was more of a nod to your original thread title. Your point on matchmaking however is very valid. The matchmaking appears to use as much science as pulling names from a hat...
  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
    @Husky54 actually it was more of a nod to your original thread title. Your point on matchmaking however is very valid. The matchmaking appears to use as much science as pulling names from a hat...

    No, I know it was. The fact that they edited it shows how out of touch they are.
  • Speeds80Speeds80 Posts: 1,068
    The other stupid thing is your rating will only drop by 3 points making your next matchup just as hard as usual
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,288
    edited January 17
    This is just a split second thought but wouldn't just going by your opponents multiplier solve most if this with very little consequence?

    Ie tier 1 allainces facing a t3 the
    T1 allaince gets the multi plier of the t3
    And the t3 wouod get the t1 multiplier .

    It punishes the t1 and compensates the t3 all at once.

    Again 2 second thought so it may be flawed feel free to point out the abusable aspect maybe we can work thru it
  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
    Vale84 wrote: »
    Hey

    Interesting cause you guys literally cut in half offseason and one of the "compensations" you wrote down when you decided to give us leaders a headache having only one week for changes was:

    -We improved matchmaking!

    What a fine job you did seems, along boost controversy and double points bug. Might not be our best top 10 season, but surely is the most entertaining!

    So since you STILL have to come out with improved matchmaking standing from your reply, what did we had offseason cut in half for? o.o

    The war boost thing is a SERIOUS problem. The boost crystals are not only RANDOM but 240 units a piece (but how generous of Kabam to offer them for HALF OFF this week).
  • Db_6Db_6 Posts: 1
    Same here, a 14m ally paired up with a 19 mil ally. Typical kabam bs
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 2,087
    Vale84 wrote: »
    Interesting cause you guys literally cut in half offseason and one of the "compensations" you wrote down when you decided to give us leaders a headache having only one week for changes was:

    -We improved matchmaking!

    So since you STILL have to come out with improved matchmaking standing from your reply, what did we had offseason cut in half for? o.o
    Wasn’t what was said. Just sayin. ;)


    but we’ve made these schedule adjustments to accommodate upcoming optimizations to Alliance Wars matchmaking.
  • Zuko_ILCZuko_ILC Posts: 824
    Husky54 wrote: »
    3 time AW season champs against a middling Plat3 alliance with a war rating difference of over 700 points.

    Good job, guys.

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    Matchmaking is completely broken, Master Alliances still manipulate the matchmaking so they don't fight each other. This has been this way for every War season and Kabam has turned a blind eye. They constantly face lesser competition and is one of the main reasons they stay up so high. Yes they are skilled but If I'm in Plat3 and facing Gold 2 Allys, I've got quite an advantage over them. Same is going on here over and over and over and well you get it. Wish Kabam would take it seriously it is basically a contest of dodging opponents not of champions.
  • MattManMattMan Posts: 276
    Master should only be able to match against master, platinum vs platinum. How hard is it really. “We’re working on it” BS the same stuffs been happening since before seasons.

    Dock them they obviously colluded with other alliances to avoid the tough matchups
  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
    MattMan wrote: »
    Master should only be able to match against master, platinum vs platinum. How hard is it really. “We’re working on it” BS the same stuffs been happening since before seasons.

    Dock them they obviously colluded with other alliances to avoid the tough matchups

    Matching shouldn't be based on when you start matching. You know what would work?

    You have an OPT-IN period for each war. Alliances are either IN or OUT for however many battle groups.

    The opt-in period ends, then the system matches comparable opponents.

    AQ starts and ends at the same time each day, why not war, too.
  • Husky54Husky54 Posts: 187
    Husky54 wrote: »

    Matching shouldn't be based on when you start matching. You know what would work?

    You have an OPT-IN period for each war. Alliances are either IN or OUT for however many battle groups.

    The opt-in period ends, then the system matches comparable opponents.

    AQ starts and ends at the same time each day, why not war, too.

    This also eliminates the problematic match timer and alliances getting screwed out of wars mid season.
  • INTEGRALINTEGRAL Posts: 618
    ASR - ZeusE
    ASR - Kenob
    4Loki - Iso8a
    MNG - MMX
    4Loki - ZeusE
    MNG - J11
    4Loki - BRAE
    Kenob- BRAE
    NY - MMX
    MMX - D69
    Kenob - D69
    those are the ones I remember from first 3 wars

    So what else do you want?
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Posts: 1,220
    edited January 17
    INTEGRAL wrote: »
    ASR - ZeusE
    ASR - Kenob
    4Loki - Iso8a
    MNG - MMX
    4Loki - ZeusE
    MNG - J11
    4Loki - BRAE
    Kenob- BRAE
    NY - MMX
    MMX - D69
    Kenob - D69
    those are the ones I remember from first 3 wars

    So what else do you want?

    Brae is 0-3 and in plat2,
    another loss would devastating 0-4
    they are a legit master allaince
  • Markjv81Markjv81 Posts: 321
    How are they legit master if lost 3 wars? Or legit only when facing non master alliances?
  • Drooped2Drooped2 Posts: 2,288
    Markjv81 wrote: »
    How are they legit master if lost 3 wars? Or legit only when facing non master alliances?

    The win ratio is still close to the same in masters..

    They face eachother only 1 can win

    If I recall 4loki lost like 4 or 5 one season near the beginning just luck of the draw on who they face most master allainces are pretty level
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Posts: 1,220
    edited January 18
    Markjv81 wrote: »
    How are they legit master if lost 3 wars? Or legit only when facing non master alliances?
    @Markjv81
    i mean theres more to it. big difference between top 10 masters vs top 20 masters
    1.kenob-loss last yeears champions in 1st
    2.nyc-have won 1st place in masters couple seasons ago

    3.4loki, a really close war, anyone could have won
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 7,044
    Drooped2 wrote: »
    This is just a split second thought but wouldn't just going by your opponents multiplier solve most if this with very little consequence?

    Ie tier 1 allainces facing a t3 the
    T1 allaince gets the multi plier of the t3
    And the t3 wouod get the t1 multiplier .

    It punishes the t1 and compensates the t3 all at once.

    Again 2 second thought so it may be flawed feel free to point out the abusable aspect maybe we can work thru it

    You're assuming that all of these mismatches are caused by the higher alliance manipulating match making to draw the lower alliance. But that's not the case. Given the way match making currently works, these types of mismatches are actually impossible to avoid. In fact, if the issue was purely due to match making manipulation, the matches would actually be closer than this. Manipulation can allow two 3000+ alliances from avoiding each other, but it cannot arbitrarily seek out and find alliances 700 points lower. For that to happen, other things must be simultaneously in play, and those are the result of match making happening at different times, rating differentials linear all the way to the top, and match making attempting to find good alliance rating matches on top of war rating matches and failing to find an optimal match in such a way as it then settles for horrible matches.

    The multiplier swap would penalize alliances that matched lower through no fault of their own.
  • INTEGRALINTEGRAL Posts: 618
    Markjv81 wrote: »
    How are they legit master if lost 3 wars? Or legit only when facing non master alliances?

    Are you a joke?
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