So this new matchmaking system was created to keep certain alliances from cheating. But so far, it has hurt the honest alliances with stupid matchmaking times. Our war just ended at 9am PST. Most of us on the west coast are driving into work or are just getting settled in. We generally start 3pm pst/6pm est due to a diverse group. So we start at a time that makes sense. We probably won't be doing war again if this continues.
We launched at the same time before these changes, Nooboroni, for the same reasons.
We assigned paths based on time zones and rosters. Now we're going to need to assign based on when attack launched every day and who's in what part of the world? Yeah, instead of having players running their usual paths that they're used to with minimum item usage, shake everything up and watch it rain items...
Might have wanted to save the Captain Marvel and Deadpool events for a few days after the new AW launch. All the good will created by those seems to have vanished quicker than Deadpool's hopes for a Romance synergy. And that's a real shame, because when you guys knock it out of the park, like you do with events like those and the recent reworkings of champs like Luke Cage, Red Hulk, Carnage and Venom, you guys really shine.
I think they really need to reduce aw timers by half. This would help a ton for all time zones. Cause I know with the new system (which I think is a step in the right direction) this would benefit everyone.
I honestly believe that this start time for AW is horrible. People have jobs, school, and other things to do in the morning. Some are in different time zones. You are basically penalizing alliances because you don’t want the top alliances to cheat. Maybe you should figure out a way to not impact all alliances and simply ban any top alliances that you find colluding from aw for 2-3 seasons. But I guess that’s too much to ask huh. This is really going to drive a lot of people to quit. Way to go kabam.
@Kabam Miike I like to suggest a changes on match making.please consider doing three start time windows. A Morning, afternoon, and evening. make the windows like 4 hours. So it be almost impossible for you to know who you well be matched up with. This will help with international alliance. The way it is now, wars could start and end in the middle of the night
7:05 am PST start and end time for this next war attack. So terrible....
War attack start and end times are way more important than when you match and place defenders. Why didn't you just make the matchmaking later then have the 4 hour early start times land between 11:00am - 3:00pm PST? Then everyone would at least be close to same schedule they were already on.
This new system is just plain bad. We have a set AW start time in our Alliance that we picked based on everyone’s availability, and now the only times we can start/end AW work out terribly for all of us. This has to be fixed, as it is now we just enlisted, found a war, and have only 19 hours to place. This new system is ridiculous, and a huge fail. @Kabam Miike@Kabam Zibiit@Kabam Vydious
while I applaud the effort of coming up with a better matchmaking system The matchmaking system you’ve designed is flawed. The largest thing is the start time. It is really messed up having attack phase start at 7am PST. It makes any type of coordination at the end of war EXTREMELY difficult as much of the movement time must be done during WORKING HOURS. We know it’s your job to mess around with this game at work but it isn’t our jobs. It also makes coordination with multiple time zones almost impossible and many of will in the UK and other European time zones will be sleeping In the dead of night and you cannot adjust for that. This completely destroys the gaming experience. @LeNoirFaineant was right when he said you needed to consult the player base before making a decision that changes the playability of the game. @Kabam Lyra
@zuffy , this one's enrollment STARTED last Wed at (whatever time), and needed to be enrolled BEFORE the 2pm EST (11 PST) time. Then actual matchmaking started. You missed it.
War already MATCHED for us today, about 3 hours faster than on Wed. (?)
We only run 2 group wars, so wondering if Kabam changed it to Matching 1 and 2 group wars first this time, instead of matching 3 group wars first which seemed to be the case on Wed. ??? Trying to push back the primary.3 group matching a little bit because of all the outrage ?
Samething happened to us war ended, match making started right after which barred us from this war.
This new system is a mess, didn't even give us any time to start a new one.
@zuffy , this one's enrollment STARTED last Wed at (whatever time), and needed to be enrolled BEFORE the 2pm EST (11 PST) time. Then actual matchmaking started. You missed it.
But you can Enroll today for the Sunday war.
I don't think that is the case my alliance enrolled in that war, we finished it then almost immediately after that ended match making started baring us from Sundays war
The enlistment phase is too short and flawed. I tried to enlist my alliance but the buttons would not work. I know at least one alliance (LBT01) who was unable to get the enlistment option checked and they are missing the next war. This needs to be fine tuned. The concept is okay, but it needs to be fixed before the season starts. Not everyone can be on the game 24/7
What happened to aw starting between 11-7 pacific. This time frame seemed to work for everyone. Now we get aw starting at 9 am and 730 am. You expect people to be up that early to finish an aw?
The new system doesn't take into account the results of the last war in matchmaking.
This is because the current match can complete after matchmaking occurs.
We found a next match before our current war concluded. Seemed really weird waking saying war results 3 hours ago and attack phase starts in 20 hours.
Also with the new system there is ZERO window to recruit unless on maintenance day or the person you are replacing goes without heir rewards for the current war which is hardly fair on either the individual or the alliance.
If collusion is only an issue up top why not only use this system for master and platinum one tier?
I think the system has many issues but why not at least limit the impact to those the new system is targeted at affecting the outcome of.
I manage a 24 million alliance in Aus and war now starts and ends for us between 2-4am.
I can no longer check defence prior to start and even organising my own BG is difficult due to the mixed timezones.
Many in my alliance are from top tier masters and platinum one who have semi retired as they do the want the stress of top tier play.
This change has added an equal amount of stress and we are all now reviewing what our future is. Game life balance is getting harder and harder to achieve and while we love this game it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify it as a leisurely activity and something to do for fun.
I don't know what the answer is but please please change something.
Samething happened to us war ended, match making started right after which barred us from this war.
This new system is a mess, didn't even give us any time to start a new one.
@zuffy , this one's enrollment STARTED last Wed at (whatever time), and needed to be enrolled BEFORE the 2pm EST (11 PST) time. Then actual matchmaking started. You missed it.
But you can Enroll today for the Sunday war.
I don't think that is the case my alliance enrolled in that war, we finished it then almost immediately after that ended match making started baring us from Sundays war
That is what I want to know. We finish war this morning around 10:40am EST and now it's matchmaking?
Can we at least go back to the old start times for AW at 2 pm EST. That was the old matchmaking time. These 9 am EST times are odd. If this topic has been brought up already please forgive me I didn't see it.
What happened to aw starting between 11-7 pacific. This time frame seemed to work for everyone. Now we get aw starting at 9 am and 730 am. You expect people to be up that early to finish an aw?
Under the current system, attack phase can theoretically start any time between 7am and 11am Pacific. Probably most likely between 7am and 9am. But Kabam did state yesterday that they were reviewing possible changes to the system, including changes to the schedule of phases.
The new system doesn't take into account the results of the last war in matchmaking.
This is because the current match can complete after matchmaking occurs.
If that occurred that's probably a bug, because the current system is supposed to start matching only after all wars have completed.
However, it just occurred to me that the system as described contains a lurking landmine with regards to this. If it ever happens that an alliance gets matched on or very close to 3pm Pacific, near the end of the match making window, their war will start and end on or just before 11am Pacific. That means this war will end just ahead of, or possibly right at the moment that match making starts. But it takes some finite amount of time for the game to actually calculate the results of the war. So it seems technically possible for match making to start while a war hasn't been fully calculated.
Maybe the system has safeguards to account for this, but then again given everything that has gone wrong with it so far (just in terms of obvious match making bugs and the like) this isn't a safe bet.
War already MATCHED for us today, about 3 hours faster than on Wed. (?)
We only run 2 group wars, so wondering if Kabam changed it to Matching 1 and 2 group wars first this time, instead of matching 3 group wars first which seemed to be the case on Wed. ??? Trying to push back the primary.3 group matching a little bit because of all the outrage ?
We ran 2 bgs last time and got matched within 30 mins. This time we ran 1 bg and got matched after 100 mins.
Agreed I’m not a fan of this new system at all ....
We should be able to pick our start times.
To fully take away match manipulation, it would be very difficult to allow players to choose their start times as we used to. You have to do weird things with the schedule, or allow both sides in the same war to start and end at different times. I doubt Kabam would go for any of that.
But they can shift the start times back to roughly where they were for the vast majority of players, and they can also do better than saying "somewhere in a four hour window." For example, since they are supposed to be matching from top to bottom, they could give guidance like "tiers 1 through 3 will be matching between 3pm and 3:30pm Pacific, tiers 4 through 7 will be matching between 3:30pm and 4:00pm, tiers 8-10 will be matching between 4:00pm and 4:30pm, etc." That way every alliance would know within approximately half an hour when their wars would be starting and ending.
(Note: matching at 3pm means defense runs from 3pm to 11am the next day, and then attack starts and stops at 11am in the following days).
Agreed I’m not a fan of this new system at all ....
We should be able to pick our start times.
To fully take away match manipulation, it would be very difficult to allow players to choose their start times as we used to. You have to do weird things with the schedule, or allow both sides in the same war to start and end at different times. I doubt Kabam would go for any of that.
It sucks that what impacted only some alliances has to now upset everyone else's experience.
You're able to enlist in the next war during the placement phase of the current, AND during attack phase. If your Alliance plans on running 3 wars per cycle, enlistment must be done during said 44 hour period. There's 4 hours where Enlistment is down, and that's during matchmaking. So once placement phase starts, the Enlistment for the next war opens. Tap Enlist during the aforementioned time. Don't wait for attack phase to end. In certain cases, you might miss the Enlistment opp.
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We launched at the same time before these changes, Nooboroni, for the same reasons.
We assigned paths based on time zones and rosters. Now we're going to need to assign based on when attack launched every day and who's in what part of the world? Yeah, instead of having players running their usual paths that they're used to with minimum item usage, shake everything up and watch it rain items...
Might have wanted to save the Captain Marvel and Deadpool events for a few days after the new AW launch. All the good will created by those seems to have vanished quicker than Deadpool's hopes for a Romance synergy. And that's a real shame, because when you guys knock it out of the park, like you do with events like those and the recent reworkings of champs like Luke Cage, Red Hulk, Carnage and Venom, you guys really shine.
The note say sun, wed and Friday at 3pm pst
War attack start and end times are way more important than when you match and place defenders. Why didn't you just make the matchmaking later then have the 4 hour early start times land between 11:00am - 3:00pm PST? Then everyone would at least be close to same schedule they were already on.
@Kabam Lyra
But you can Enroll today for the Sunday war.
We only run 2 group wars, so wondering if Kabam changed it to Matching 1 and 2 group wars first this time, instead of matching 3 group wars first which seemed to be the case on Wed. ??? Trying to push back the primary.3 group matching a little bit because of all the outrage ?
Looks like it
Samething happened to us war ended, match making started right after which barred us from this war.
This new system is a mess, didn't even give us any time to start a new one.
I don't think that is the case my alliance enrolled in that war, we finished it then almost immediately after that ended match making started baring us from Sundays war
The current war situation is nearly as detrimental as the overheating phones issue that delayed season 3
This is because the current match can complete after matchmaking occurs.
We found a next match before our current war concluded. Seemed really weird waking saying war results 3 hours ago and attack phase starts in 20 hours.
Also with the new system there is ZERO window to recruit unless on maintenance day or the person you are replacing goes without heir rewards for the current war which is hardly fair on either the individual or the alliance.
If collusion is only an issue up top why not only use this system for master and platinum one tier?
I think the system has many issues but why not at least limit the impact to those the new system is targeted at affecting the outcome of.
I manage a 24 million alliance in Aus and war now starts and ends for us between 2-4am.
I can no longer check defence prior to start and even organising my own BG is difficult due to the mixed timezones.
Many in my alliance are from top tier masters and platinum one who have semi retired as they do the want the stress of top tier play.
This change has added an equal amount of stress and we are all now reviewing what our future is. Game life balance is getting harder and harder to achieve and while we love this game it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify it as a leisurely activity and something to do for fun.
I don't know what the answer is but please please change something.
@Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Wolf
That is what I want to know. We finish war this morning around 10:40am EST and now it's matchmaking?
Under the current system, attack phase can theoretically start any time between 7am and 11am Pacific. Probably most likely between 7am and 9am. But Kabam did state yesterday that they were reviewing possible changes to the system, including changes to the schedule of phases.
If that occurred that's probably a bug, because the current system is supposed to start matching only after all wars have completed.
However, it just occurred to me that the system as described contains a lurking landmine with regards to this. If it ever happens that an alliance gets matched on or very close to 3pm Pacific, near the end of the match making window, their war will start and end on or just before 11am Pacific. That means this war will end just ahead of, or possibly right at the moment that match making starts. But it takes some finite amount of time for the game to actually calculate the results of the war. So it seems technically possible for match making to start while a war hasn't been fully calculated.
Maybe the system has safeguards to account for this, but then again given everything that has gone wrong with it so far (just in terms of obvious match making bugs and the like) this isn't a safe bet.
We ran 2 bgs last time and got matched within 30 mins. This time we ran 1 bg and got matched after 100 mins.
To fully take away match manipulation, it would be very difficult to allow players to choose their start times as we used to. You have to do weird things with the schedule, or allow both sides in the same war to start and end at different times. I doubt Kabam would go for any of that.
But they can shift the start times back to roughly where they were for the vast majority of players, and they can also do better than saying "somewhere in a four hour window." For example, since they are supposed to be matching from top to bottom, they could give guidance like "tiers 1 through 3 will be matching between 3pm and 3:30pm Pacific, tiers 4 through 7 will be matching between 3:30pm and 4:00pm, tiers 8-10 will be matching between 4:00pm and 4:30pm, etc." That way every alliance would know within approximately half an hour when their wars would be starting and ending.
(Note: matching at 3pm means defense runs from 3pm to 11am the next day, and then attack starts and stops at 11am in the following days).
It sucks that what impacted only some alliances has to now upset everyone else's experience.
You're able to enlist in the next war during the placement phase of the current, AND during attack phase. If your Alliance plans on running 3 wars per cycle, enlistment must be done during said 44 hour period. There's 4 hours where Enlistment is down, and that's during matchmaking. So once placement phase starts, the Enlistment for the next war opens. Tap Enlist during the aforementioned time. Don't wait for attack phase to end. In certain cases, you might miss the Enlistment opp.