Back Issues #2: Mystery in the Microrealm

LeNoirFaineant

Evangelionlovr said:

Is Variant 2 going to be as much of a shameless cash grab as Variant 1? I mean, you all know it's a joke when you have Magik Limbo damage doing 1k per tick and outside of GHulk there's no way to avoid it triggering 3/4 times you push her to a bar of power? Not to mention the starburst and degen paths. Will we have to whale our way through Variant 2.0 also? Why don't you cut out the middle man and just post the Variant rewards for 15k units now?

Variant was the first end game content added in ages. People are looking forward to Variant 2 because they enjoyed Variant 1. I hope they add more shameless cash grabs on which I will spend $0.

V1PER1987

IKON said:

Nabz034 said:

It should be 2016 champs this time around...I still have all three of my 2015 R4 rank gems, two mystic and 1 cosmic and without SW, DS, Gamora and Thor not even eligible, it’s not even worth using them on someone else. I’d rather save the gold and ISO....

@Kabam Miike think you can talk to the game team about making it 2016 gems? Almost all of the 2015 champs are still old and most have maybe 5 sentences total in there abilities while the new champs have 5-10 paragraphs.

It’s like giving someone a chance to win a car (2015 R4 Gem) that barely works and won’t help you get from point A to B (Questing) Why would I even put gas in it? (Gold/ISO)

And now the prize is to get three more?

its a 2015 quest so we get 2015 gems

That argument might be valid if they only put 2015 defenders in the quest.

V1PER1987

Drooped2 said:

V1PER1987 said:

IKON said:

Nabz034 said:

It should be 2016 champs this time around...I still have all three of my 2015 R4 rank gems, two mystic and 1 cosmic and without SW, DS, Gamora and Thor not even eligible, it’s not even worth using them on someone else. I’d rather save the gold and ISO....

@Kabam Miike think you can talk to the game team about making it 2016 gems? Almost all of the 2015 champs are still old and most have maybe 5 sentences total in there abilities while the new champs have 5-10 paragraphs.

It’s like giving someone a chance to win a car (2015 R4 Gem) that barely works and won’t help you get from point A to B (Questing) Why would I even put gas in it? (Gold/ISO)

And now the prize is to get three more?

its a 2015 quest so we get 2015 gems

That argument might be valid if they only put 2015 defenders in the quest.

And 2015 nodes. So this is beginner difficulty?

Just tired of the argument it’s a 2015 quest so you only get 2015 gems.

IKON

V1PER1987 said:

Drooped2 said:

V1PER1987 said:

IKON said:

Nabz034 said:

It should be 2016 champs this time around...I still have all three of my 2015 R4 rank gems, two mystic and 1 cosmic and without SW, DS, Gamora and Thor not even eligible, it’s not even worth using them on someone else. I’d rather save the gold and ISO....

@Kabam Miike think you can talk to the game team about making it 2016 gems? Almost all of the 2015 champs are still old and most have maybe 5 sentences total in there abilities while the new champs have 5-10 paragraphs.

It’s like giving someone a chance to win a car (2015 R4 Gem) that barely works and won’t help you get from point A to B (Questing) Why would I even put gas in it? (Gold/ISO)

And now the prize is to get three more?

its a 2015 quest so we get 2015 gems

That argument might be valid if they only put 2015 defenders in the quest.

And 2015 nodes. So this is beginner difficulty?

Just tired of the argument it’s a 2015 quest so you only get 2015 gems.

Well it is literally the reason its being done so...

DNA3000

Evangelionlovr said:

Is Variant 2 going to be as much of a shameless cash grab as Variant 1? I mean, you all know it's a joke when you have Magik Limbo damage doing 1k per tick and outside of GHulk there's no way to avoid it triggering 3/4 times you push her to a bar of power? Not to mention the starburst and degen paths. Will we have to whale our way through Variant 2.0 also? Why don't you cut out the middle man and just post the Variant rewards for 15k units now?

I could whale out and spend my way past Variant, but instead I'm taking it slow, practicing against every fight so that I can do it not only without spending units, but without spending all my potions either. It has been a long time since there was permanent content that I could do that with: that was hard enough that I could practice for weeks without being able to just destroy it, but would actually still be around long enough for me to practice on. The last time I did that, it was against RoL. I do take practice runs on Labyrinth but to be honest a LoL run would take up so much time that I don't currently want to devote to it, and I can't just stick champs in there and take my time because they would be tied up.

Variant is perfect for someone who wants to work their way up without spending. If you want to get better at this game, are willing to practice at it, are willing to accept temporary failure in the process, and have the discipline to not spend, Variant is not a cash grab at all. If you're someone that believes they deserve to complete everything instantly, and if they can't do it without spending then they will just spend past the content and then complain about the fact that they were "forced" to spend past the content, then Variant is probably a thorn in your side. But that's your problem, not the game's problem. Maybe Variant isn't meant for you. Maybe its meant for the players for whom it *isn't* a cash grab. Maybe the fact that you think it is a cash grab is actually a red flag you're supposed to not ignore.

Urkel2

Yay more content that i dont have the roster to beat..

Evangelionlovr

DNA3000 said:

Evangelionlovr said:

Is Variant 2 going to be as much of a shameless cash grab as Variant 1? I mean, you all know it's a joke when you have Magik Limbo damage doing 1k per tick and outside of GHulk there's no way to avoid it triggering 3/4 times you push her to a bar of power? Not to mention the starburst and degen paths. Will we have to whale our way through Variant 2.0 also? Why don't you cut out the middle man and just post the Variant rewards for 15k units now?

I could whale out and spend my way past Variant, but instead I'm taking it slow, practicing against every fight so that I can do it not only without spending units, but without spending all my potions either. It has been a long time since there was permanent content that I could do that with: that was hard enough that I could practice for weeks without being able to just destroy it, but would actually still be around long enough for me to practice on. The last time I did that, it was against RoL. I do take practice runs on Labyrinth but to be honest a LoL run would take up so much time that I don't currently want to devote to it, and I can't just stick champs in there and take my time because they would be tied up.

Variant is perfect for someone who wants to work their way up without spending. If you want to get better at this game, are willing to practice at it, are willing to accept temporary failure in the process, and have the discipline to not spend, Variant is not a cash grab at all. If you're someone that believes they deserve to complete everything instantly, and if they can't do it without spending then they will just spend past the content and then complain about the fact that they were "forced" to spend past the content, then Variant is probably a thorn in your side. But that's your problem, not the game's problem. Maybe Variant isn't meant for you. Maybe its meant for the players for whom it *isn't* a cash grab. Maybe the fact that you think it is a cash grab is actually a red flag you're supposed to not ignore.

There are literally parts of Variant which cannot be cleared without A: the correct 2-3 champs or B: dumping pots and revives. I am mostly talking about chapter 3, where the degen, direct damage, power gain, and punishment for buffs (**** you cosmic class) is rampant. Cosmic and Science is by far my best class: R5 Corvus duped, R4 Hype duped, R4 CaIW Duped, 6* Rhulk, R3 Quake, VTW, Wasp, Proxima, 5/50 Void etc. But the fact that I don't have a GHulk means I have to spend. It's just aggravating.

Ronildas

i expect at least 10 korgs for those 2015 gems.

SarcasticTaurus

Ronildas said:

i expect at least 10 korgs for those 2015 gems.

Korg, Domino, Iron Man IW... all with "force of will"

This way its "fun and interactive"

DroidDoes

Woo hoo, original announcement was goofed! It is in fact the two 5* basics in the rewards, same as last time, one for completion one for exploration 👍

V1PER1987

Looks like there are 2 5* crystals. Most likely just a typo in announcement.

Kabam Miike

And it begins! Remember everybody, Variant is going to be hard! Luckily, you're surrounded by Summoners that are very talented. If you have trouble, don't be afraid to come back here and ask questions. Chances are somebody here would be happy to help you find a solution.

DroidDoes

V1PER1987 said:

Looks like there are 2 5* crystals. Most likely just a typo in announcement.

Jinx! Haha...but yeah, guessing the same, a typo, and very happy to see it remains at 2 instead of 1

benshb

2 things: defenders seems extremely defensive, but there is no node for it.
and i don't think "Runaway Express" works properly, i didn't get the unblockable for my 11th hit.

Evangelionlovr

This looks a lot easier than V1. Probably just because of the lack of roster restriction.

Evangelionlovr

benshb said:

2 things: defenders seems extremely defensive, but there is no node for it.
and i don't think "Runaway Express" works properly, i didn't get the unblockable for my 11th hit.

Yeah, baiting specials is harder, and they're holding block a lot more often. Bet there won't be any "Invade" nodes tho lol

BigPoppaCBONE

I really wish Variant used the same champs as Classic. It feels slimy cheap to use champs like Hyperion, Void, Havok, etc. instead of the real 2015 champs.

Jaffacaked

Not getting the unblockable pop up when using XL champs. @Kabam Miike . Are we meant to see it pop up or not ?

hk_mk417

So level 45 is required for variant and not 40 as all of the game notes and in game message state?

Kabam Miike

Daphboy said:

None of Venoms buffs or debuffs are triggering twice as stated in his XL buff description. Memory buffs are one at a time and furies only proc 1 for each buff when using special 2. Seems he should proc up to 14 furies since the limitation is on his genetic memory and not the furies gained in his special. Also only placing 1 bleed at a time when it states it should place double debuffs in the notes

Which fight did you see this on?

Kabam Miike

Daphboy said:

Heavy machinery buff is not working for modok either.... are any of the xl buffs working for anyone???

Which fight did you see this on?

Evangelionlovr

Daphboy said:

Heavy machinery buff is not working for modok either.... are any of the xl buffs working for anyone???

Smash works with Rhulk, just destroying 1.3 with him right now.

Evangelionlovr

benshb said:

2 things: defenders seems extremely defensive, but there is no node for it.
and i don't think "Runaway Express" works properly, i didn't get the unblockable for my 11th hit.

It works, but it's on the 10th hit, not 11th, and there's no "UNBLOCKABLE" call out. I just went to hit into block against Gamora on my 50th hit and it definitely broke her block.

TwmR

Daphboy said:

I just tested regular hulk, modok, venom, juggernaut, and dormammu without a single unique interaction activating for any of them.

Are you on the specific quest where they get these buffs? Those buffs aren't for all quests if it's not in the global nodes it does not apply to that quest

Eb0ny-O-M4w

From the looks of it (only saw it on a stream, since I'm unable to update), the Heavy Machinery node description is wrong. It should be "armor and force shield effects" instead of "armor and force field buffs"

TwmR

Daphboy said:

Rofl, yes, I am playing variant difficulty in the micro realm.

If that's a reply to me I'm not asking if your doing variant or not I'm asking which quest in variant as they do not apply to all quests within variant

TwmR

Daphboy said:

Just tried venom on heimdal and sabretooth as well with same results. Single bleed, single armor break, 1 memory buff at a time, and no dublicate furies on sp2. Nothing appears to be working @Kabam Miike

So your doing the first quest? None of those buffs apply in the first quest.
The first quest any of them appear is 1.3 as was clearly stated in the announcement

Kabam Miike

Daphboy said:

Just tried venom on heimdal and sabretooth as well with same results. Single bleed, single armor break, 1 memory buff at a time, and no dublicate furies on sp2. Nothing appears to be working @Kabam Miike

@TwmR is correct. Those Champion specific Buffs are only in certain Quests, and those don't start until Quest 3 of Chapter 1.

Evangelionlovr

Kabam Miike said:

Daphboy said:

Just tried venom on heimdal and sabretooth as well with same results. Single bleed, single armor break, 1 memory buff at a time, and no dublicate furies on sp2. Nothing appears to be working @Kabam Miike

@TwmR is correct. Those Champion specific Buffs are only in certain Quests, and those don't start until Quest 3 of Chapter 1.

I take back my ****, Variant 2 is much more manageable. Give my kudos to the devs, this is what I expected Variant to be, fun, rewarding if you have the right champs, challenging but very doable even if you don't. Really enjoying it so far.

xNig

It’s actually very easy lol