OML armor break and ability accuracy

The_Jagga81

He’s not breaking any armor on sp1 like is advertised. Tried on killmonger and Winter Soldier.


He’s getting his ability decreased by domino but he shouldn’t like advertised

Eb0ny-O-M4w

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

The_Jagga81

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

Lormif

The_Jagga81 said:

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

You seem to be looking at crit failure like it triggers when AAR causes your ability to fail. While that can be the case it is not the only case. Critical failure actually has nothing to do with AAR, any time an ability that could activate does not you take the damage. If you have a 10% chance to do something on hit you will get the critical failure debuff on average 9 out of 10 times because it failed to activate those 9 out of 10 times, when it could have if the rng was good enough.

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The_Jagga81

zeezee57 said:

I've been getting armor breaks on sp1 every time since the update. Not sure why but I'm seeing a lot of people saying otherwise.

Take a screenshot and post it here please

AlexAvalon

I havent gotten any armor breaks, also sometimes his sp2 will crit and ill get all 3 bleeds but theyre just regular bleeds....more often then not the crit bleeds will work but ive been testing him all afternoon and there have been alot of sp2s where ill crit, get a bleed off each hit but no crit bleeds.... Alot of times he wont crit on any of the 3 sp2 hits so when he does it should work

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Kabam Lyra

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

AlexAvalon

zeezee57 said:

AlexAvalon said:

I havent gotten any armor breaks, also sometimes his sp2 will crit and ill get all 3 bleeds but theyre just regular bleeds....more often then not the crit bleeds will work but ive been testing him all afternoon and there have been alot of sp2s where ill crit, get a bleed off each hit but no crit bleeds.... Alot of times he wont crit on any of the 3 sp2 hits so when he does it should work

This I have experienced, where at least one hit on the sp2 will crit but not result in a crit bleed. By the description it sounds like a crit should result in a crit bleed but maybe it's not guaranteed the way it sounds.

I thought the same, it says a critical hit on sp2 results in a critical bleed, it doesnt say it might result lol theres no percentage, by the wording its just another bug but the crit bleeds are his most redeeming quality imo so hoping they fix it

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AlexAvalon

Thats what i originally thought but with further testing its weird i can get armor breaks against most champs without armor but it doesnt work on any skill champs at all armor or not but works on all other classes with armor ups and then sometimes on any class but skill with no armor buffs, havent seen a pattern yet really

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Neonoctis

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

Any word on the Double Edge Mastery mechanic with Old man logan yet? still curious as to why he's taking full damage from the bleed while the regen is active? @Kabam Lyra

BrightfireHD

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

I think the reason behind this bug is very obvious.
Originally, OML's SP1 have 125% chance to inflict Armor Shatter debuff to Skill Class opponents, instead of normal Armor Break against other Classes.

Although the datamined info is not 100% accurate,
but OML did have Armor Shatter ability in Kabam's official announcement:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/158163/armor-shattered-medusa-and-future-champions#latest

In the final product, Kabam removed OML's Armor Shatter ability,
that's why he cannot armor break Skill Class opponents at the moment.

@Kabam Lyra ,
Can you please give us some insight about why do you remove his Armor Shatter ability?
It gives OML more utility against champs like Killmonger, but won't make him too powerful.

The_Jagga81

BrightfireHD said:

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

I think the reason behind this bug is very obvious.
Originally, OML's SP1 have 125% chance to inflict Armor Shatter debuff to Skill Class opponents, instead of normal Armor Break against other Classes.

Although the datamined info is not 100% accurate,
but OML did have Armor Shatter ability in Kabam's official announcement:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/158163/armor-shattered-medusa-and-future-champions#latest

In the final product, Kabam removed OML's Armor Shatter ability,
that's why he cannot armor break Skill Class opponents at the moment.

@Kabam Lyra ,
Can you please give us some insight about why do you remove his Armor Shatter ability?
It gives OML more utility against champs like Killmonger, but won't make him too powerful.

Nice recall! It’s probably related to that. It was armor break for other classes and armor shattered against skill! They need to put it back

The_Jagga81

Lormif said:

The_Jagga81 said:

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

You seem to be looking at crit failure like it triggers when AAR causes your ability to fail. While that can be the case it is not the only case. Critical failure actually has nothing to do with AAR, any time an ability that could activate does not you take the damage. If you have a 10% chance to do something on hit you will get the critical failure debuff on average 9 out of 10 times because it failed to activate those 9 out of 10 times, when it could have if the rng was good enough.

Mysterio passive ability



OML passive ability “Always Active”



As it happens to Mysterio it should happen to OML.

The_Jagga81

@Kabam Lyra any updates?
I should say that OML was never supposed to armor break skill champions but instead he was supposed to armor shattered them (beta tests). So when u guys decided to remove it after presenting it on beta OML is Doing neither of those two. Put armor shattered back and the problem is solved!😀👍🏽

BigPoppaCBONE

The_Jagga81 said:

Lormif said:

The_Jagga81 said:

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

You seem to be looking at crit failure like it triggers when AAR causes your ability to fail. While that can be the case it is not the only case. Critical failure actually has nothing to do with AAR, any time an ability that could activate does not you take the damage. If you have a 10% chance to do something on hit you will get the critical failure debuff on average 9 out of 10 times because it failed to activate those 9 out of 10 times, when it could have if the rng was good enough.

Mysterio passive ability



OML passive ability “Always Active”



As it happens to Mysterio it should happen to OML.

Did you see Mysterio get a crit fail? He shouldn’t have unless there was an armor break node because he doesn’t have any abilities that are less than 100%, whereas OML has a bunch and his sig gives him even more opportunities to fail.

Lormif

The_Jagga81 said:

Lormif said:

The_Jagga81 said:

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

You seem to be looking at crit failure like it triggers when AAR causes your ability to fail. While that can be the case it is not the only case. Critical failure actually has nothing to do with AAR, any time an ability that could activate does not you take the damage. If you have a 10% chance to do something on hit you will get the critical failure debuff on average 9 out of 10 times because it failed to activate those 9 out of 10 times, when it could have if the rng was good enough.

Mysterio passive ability



OML passive ability “Always Active”



As it happens to Mysterio it should happen to OML.

I was explaining the problem with your reasoning with critfail, not with anyhting specific aon anything else. If an ability fails to activate and it could have (because of RNG or something else) you get the damage debuff, critfail itself has nothing to do with AAR. If your ability to do something drops below 100% you can and will start seeing critfails.

The_Jagga81

Lormif said:

The_Jagga81 said:

Lormif said:

The_Jagga81 said:

will-o-wisp said:

How did you teste it against Domino?
even if your ability accuracy can't be modified, you can still take critical failure damage on non-guaranteed abilities

How so?

You seem to be looking at crit failure like it triggers when AAR causes your ability to fail. While that can be the case it is not the only case. Critical failure actually has nothing to do with AAR, any time an ability that could activate does not you take the damage. If you have a 10% chance to do something on hit you will get the critical failure debuff on average 9 out of 10 times because it failed to activate those 9 out of 10 times, when it could have if the rng was good enough.

Mysterio passive ability



OML passive ability “Always Active”



As it happens to Mysterio it should happen to OML.

I was explaining the problem with your reasoning with critfail, not with anyhting specific aon anything else. If an ability fails to activate and it could have (because of RNG or something else) you get the damage debuff, critfail itself has nothing to do with AAR. If your ability to do something drops below 100% you can and will start seeing critfails.

That’s the point pal. U just said it “If your ability to do something drops below 100% you can and will start seeing crit fails”
As OML description says: his ability CAN’T be decreased or increased.

The_Jagga81

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

@Kabam Lyra @Kabam Miike
There’s no issue actually. Like I and the other dude said before...he was supposed to armor shatter skill champs... just as kabam mike said a couple months ago...here

Kabam Lyra

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

A fix for this issue was put live on November 15.

The_Jagga81

Kabam Lyra said:

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

A fix for this issue was put live on November 15.

@Kabam Lyra hi!
OML is getting an armor break against skill champs. Not a armor shattered as previously announced by @Kabam Miike .

So u guys decided to change it and without saying a word? Even with Mike making an announcement about future armor shatter champs like Old Man Logan

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The_Jagga81

zeezee57 said:

The_Jagga81 said:

Kabam Lyra said:

Kabam Lyra said:

We are currently investigating an issue with Old Man Logan's ability to apply Armor Breaks specifically against Skill champions.

A fix for this issue was put live on November 15.

@Kabam Lyra hi!
OML is getting an armor break against skill champs. Not a armor shattered as previously announced by @Kabam Miike .

So u guys decided to change it and without saying a word? Even with Mike making an announcement about future armor shatter champs like Old Man Logan

Technically everything before the actual release of the live buff is subject to change and they changed it to simply an armor break. That's pretty much all there is to it so I wouldn't count on a detailed explanation as to why from a mod.

Do u have fun taking party against players? Check this out before Saying something so silly...

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/158163/armor-shattered-medusa-and-future-champions#latest