AW tier 12 = intermediate?

DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
in General Discussion
My understanding of the war tiers was that the tiers collated to map types as follows:

Tier 1: Expert
Tiers 2-3: Challenger
Tiers 4-7: Hard
Tiers 8-10: Intermediate
Tiers 11-13: Normal
Tiers 14-20: Easy

However, we've been getting intermediate maps for the last several wars even though we've been in tier 12 the entire time. Did the tiers change and I missed it? Is anyone else seeing this in any other tier (expecting one type of map and getting another)? I wrote it off the first time as being just a match making glitch, but three in a row sounds like not a glitch.

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  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,635 ★★★★★
    Well I'm currently in Tier 8 and get hard. Been as low as Tier 11 this season and never seen a normal.
  • ECOMAECOMA Member Posts: 328 ★★
    Tier 4 and 5 are challenger have been on challenger most of the season bouncing between 4 and 5
  • ECOMAECOMA Member Posts: 328 ★★
    So based on what you said I'm guessing it's a small thing

    1/3 expert
    4/5 challenger (I recall 6 being different)
    6 to whatever hard
    And so on
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
    ECOMA said:

    Tier 4 and 5 are challenger have been on challenger most of the season bouncing between 4 and 5

    I know it is theoretically possible to be one war tier lower than the bracket range and still match at a higher bracket, because you could be on the borderline matching with someone just above it. But 12 is deep inside of Normal and 5 is sufficiently inside Hard that this seems to be something else going on: It sounds like alliances are getting maps one bracket higher than their war tier would dictate, at least some of the time.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
    ECOMA said:

    So based on what you said I'm guessing it's a small thing

    1/3 expert
    4/5 challenger (I recall 6 being different)
    6 to whatever hard
    And so on

    If the levels have been redone to different tiers, that would also explain it, although I couldn't find an announcement for that change anywhere. It is possible I missed it, but if someone else has a link to such a thing that would be helpful as well.
  • ECOMAECOMA Member Posts: 328 ★★
    Our war leader keeps saying we dont want to hit tier 3 cause the map gets stupid hard and he knew tier 4 and 5 were this map before season started I don't recall an announcement either tho.

    But he swears this is normal and not something he didnt wxpect
  • ECOMAECOMA Member Posts: 328 ★★

    I mean that's old but it's the last info I can find too
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
    @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Miike any chance someone could take a peek at this? Is this a bug, or a change that escaped the patch notes, or a match making glitch that is only affecting a few alliances?
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    *** I am fairly certain that at some point they expanded the formerly only Tier-1 Expert into 3 different Expert Tiers (1-3). So former Tiers 2-4 Challenger became Tiers 4-6 for Challenger, etc, all the way down to bottom Tier-20 had then turned into Tier-22.

    If you push all the OP's breakdown listed at top down by 2 Tiers each then, they will ALL match correctly with the Difficulty Level that everyone was saying they were seeing.

    Don’t know when or where the change was made, but I do remember changing the notes I keep for myself detailing the breakdowns.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    ...and in fact, if you take a look at the current Season 15 buffs post, it shows highest buffs for Tiers 1-3, then some more buffs at Tiers 4-5. Those would be the Expert and Challenger ranges.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
    I kept looking for something, and I finally found it: the change occurred with the introduction of seasons: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/47443/announcing-alliance-wars-seasons



    I don't know why I had the old tiers in my mind and Googling around couldn't find this: I ended up having to basically read the entire forums again looking for war related threads.

    So problem solved: this is the correct chart for tiers, not the older one.
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  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    @DNA3000 , yep, found that old pic as well after you mentioned it. But you may want to check to see what the Multiplier is in the Exper Tiers.
    Back at that time, the original Pic was either originally incorrect, or the Multiplier changed shortly thereafter.
    I had edited my pic way back when (but ain’t up in those Tiers so can’t confirm if they are still as how I edited mine) ...


  • ECOMAECOMA Member Posts: 328 ★★

    Its 876
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    Thx @ECOMA , I know I must have seen 7.0, 6.2, 5.5 somewhere back then, as to why I edited my saved pic.
    Maybe they were “gonna” be that way at first, and then ended up actually being 8, 7, 6 once it came out ??
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,778 Guardian
    SummonerNR said:

    Thx @ECOMA , I know I must have seen 7.0, 6.2, 5.5 somewhere back then, as to why I edited my saved pic.
    Maybe they were “gonna” be that way at first, and then ended up actually being 8, 7, 6 once it came out ??

    No, I'm pretty sure the multipliers were changed, because the numbers you edited into the pic are the ones I used to remember from when I used to track our alliances stats when we still did competitive war (basically, up to season nine). Between then and now they seem to have switched back, but I don't know when that happened.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    😀😀 so I’m NOT losing my mind, lol. Even went into game (OCD kicking in) to look and make sure there wasn’t some type of difference between running 1 group vs 3 groups, nope.

    Similar thing as when AQ Map Multipliers had mysteriously/drastically changed, without seeing any notice of it (and I even asked up here about that at the time too).
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  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,356 Guardian
    DoubleDelta said:

    ...
    That being said, as you've seen in my post, we're T4 (Challenger) fighting T3 (Expert) nodes. Now the difference between x4.5 and x6 is huge

    How about putting those Last couple SUPPORT REPLIES over in your thread regarding the disparity between Multiplier when fighting against an opponent in the next tier higher than yours. That’s would be the appropriate thread to continue that conversation (as if it hasn’t already been questioned about many many times already)

    This was just about WHAT THE ACTUAL MULTIPLIERS and DIFFICULTIES ARE, not about cross-Tier wars.
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