Dark Empowerment Synergy

Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
edited August 2017 in General Discussion
I have been testing the Dark Empowerment synergy and recording a video about it.

I am using the team:

Dormammu 5*
Dormammu 4*
The Hood 5*
The Hood 4*
Mordo 4*

If the Dark Empowerment synergy stacks additively, then my champions should have an 80% chance to revive given four synergies.

If the four 20% chances are separate, then the chance to revive should be [1 - (1 - 0.20)^4] * 100% = 59.04%.

During testing I found neither of the odds to be the truth. After dying 100+ times to ROL Winter Soldier the odds appear to be less than 20%.

What is happening? Can I stack more than one Dark Empowerment synergy?



Comments

  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    edited August 2017
    Does it feel like the chance to proc is 34.56%?

    Because that would be 20x1.2x1.2x1.2
  • Dexman1349Dexman1349 Member Posts: 3,060 ★★★★★
    "Character Rating"

    You only get those percentages if you're fighting an unleveled 1* champ. Anything higher than that and the percentages drop to essentially zero.

    I'm only half kidding.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Member Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    Dexman1349 wrote: »
    "Character Rating"

    You only get those percentages if you're fighting an unleveled 1* champ. Anything higher than that and the percentages drop to essentially zero.

    I'm only half kidding.

    Lmao...they say Challenger rating has nothing to do with signature abilities.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    I understand Kabam lies about different concepts, but challenger rating doesn't affect synergy percentages. Challenger rating affects only the final statistics after synergies have been used to calculate the statistics.There is a thread about how challenger rating functions here:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained#latest
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    Challenger rating shouldn't affect Dark Empowerment.
  • sbb75sbb75 Member Posts: 208 ★
    I have wondered about this stacking forever. If the chance to revive is supposed to increase does the 10% health also increase?
    I also wonder if it works for all "non-robot villains". It is the only synergy I can think of that doesn't increase champ rating.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    No, the 10% health doesn't increase.

    Yes, any non-robot champion that has the #Villain tag has a chance to revive.

    Now if Kabam could confirm how the revive chance stacks, that would be great.

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  • FineFine Member Posts: 78 ★
    They don't stack.
  • Armaganon00Armaganon00 Member Posts: 741 ★★
    edited August 2017
    I havent seen it proc once. I think its another Kabam myth that might get a fix in 18.6.
  • Kronos987654321Kronos987654321 Member Posts: 584 ★★★
    I'm really hoping this gets answered soon. I swear a mordo revived on me in AW once but that's the problem, I can only say it happened once
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,102 ★★★★★
    It happened to me in the arena with Dormammu.
    He revived twice in the same battle, which shouldn't be happening.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    edited August 2017
    Dark Empowerment does allow your champion's to revive, I've been lucky enough to see my champion's revive several times.

    The odds of reviving is not understood. Is the chance of revival 80%, 59.04%, 20%, or some other number?
  • LoPrestiLoPresti Member Posts: 1,035 ★★★
    Zonix42 wrote: »
    After dying 100+ times to ROL Winter Soldier the odds appear to be less than 20%.

    Kinda proves that it doesn't stack. 100+ times is a large enough sample size

  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    Collecting all the pieces for a few months to learn the synergy doesn't function as advertised is disappointing. If we can't stack more than one synergy, that should definitely be communicated to us using the synergy description.
  • GbSarkarGbSarkar Member Posts: 1,075 ★★★
    edited August 2017
    All I can say is that Miike has said that it's supposed to stack. If it isn't, that means it's probably bugged
    Kabam Miike wrote:
    SCZ wrote:
    I.e. A team of 3 Hood, 2 dormammu would it get to 100% chance. Hood variations being 5,4,3* etc.

    Oh, duh! Yes! According to the Champion Designer: "Yes, they stack. If you really want to build that for your team, though I wouldn't recommend it "

    Also, the only thing that stacks is the chance to revive, not the HP regenerated, and it will still only trigger once per hero per fight.

    http://community.wonderhill.com/forums/showthread.php?716268-Champion-Spotlight-The-Hood&p=3299865#post3299865


  • KingCrooksKingCrooks Member Posts: 176 ★
    If you put in enough time money and work to have 3 of the strongest toons in the game in 4* and 5*, you def deserve to be able to use a functioning synergy the way it was advertised. I'd be irate to put that much work in and come out shafted on the benefits.
    That's like buying your dream home, only to walk in and find there are no walls or toilets. Holy fml.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    GbSarkar wrote: »
    All I can say is that Miike has said that it's supposed to stack. If it isn't, that means it's probably bugged
    Kabam Miike wrote:
    SCZ wrote:
    I.e. A team of 3 Hood, 2 dormammu would it get to 100% chance. Hood variations being 5,4,3* etc.

    Oh, duh! Yes! According to the Champion Designer: "Yes, they stack. If you really want to build that for your team, though I wouldn't recommend it "

    Also, the only thing that stacks is the chance to revive, not the HP regenerated, and it will still only trigger once per hero per fight.

    http://community.wonderhill.com/forums/showthread.php?716268-Champion-Spotlight-The-Hood&p=3299865#post3299865


    Wow, thank you for this. The post confirms the synergy is not functioning properly.
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Moderator Posts: 8,269
    Hey All,

    I'm currently waiting on some information from the Character designers on the functionality of the Dark Empowerment synergy. Sorry for the delay! As soon as I have any information, I'll share it with you guys.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Hey All,

    I'm currently waiting on some information from the Character designers on the functionality of the Dark Empowerment synergy. Sorry for the delay! As soon as I have any information, I'll share it with you guys.

    Sounds good.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    So, is there any news about a fix?
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Moderator Posts: 8,269
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,102 ★★★★★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

    So that's why Dormammu revived me twice in the same battle in the arena ...
    But even with assassin mastery, he was lucky to revive twice with such low chances
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  • KappaluzzoKappaluzzo Member Posts: 42 ★
    So this means there is a 2x of chance for revive if I have 2 DE synergy right?
  • sbb75sbb75 Member Posts: 208 ★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

    @Kabam Miike Sorry, this is still not clear to me.
    Example: 4*s Dorma, Mordo, Hood, NC, BP
    Do the villains (Dorm, Mordo, Hood) all have a 20% chance to revive up to three instances per fight?

    I don't care what the odds are of that 20% chance happening 3 times, just want make sure I understand this correctly.
  • Zonix42Zonix42 Member Posts: 49
    edited September 2017
    sbb75 wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

    @Kabam Miike Sorry, this is still not clear to me.
    Example: 4*s Dorma, Mordo, Hood, NC, BP
    Do the villains (Dorm, Mordo, Hood) all have a 20% chance to revive up to three instances per fight?

    I don't care what the odds are of that 20% chance happening 3 times, just want make sure I understand this correctly.

    Lets use a simpler example. Suppose you have 2 lottery tickets, each has an independent 50% chance to win the lottery.

    Independent implies the chances don't sum. So your chance to win the lottery is not 100%.

    Your chance to win the lottery is: [1 - (1 - 0.50)^2] * 100% = 75%.

    Quoting the original post, we should expect the Dark Empowerment revive chance to be 59.04%, or just less than 3/5 times.

    I will test Dark Empowerment more later, and reply if I notice any substantial deviation.
  • NinjaWarrior99NinjaWarrior99 Member Posts: 340 ★
    Zonix42 wrote: »
    sbb75 wrote: »
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

    @Kabam Miike Sorry, this is still not clear to me.
    Example: 4*s Dorma, Mordo, Hood, NC, BP
    Do the villains (Dorm, Mordo, Hood) all have a 20% chance to revive up to three instances per fight?

    I don't care what the odds are of that 20% chance happening 3 times, just want make sure I understand this correctly.

    Lets use a simpler example. Suppose you have 2 lottery tickets, each has an independent 50% chance to win the lottery.

    Independent implies the chances don't sum. So your chance to win the lottery is not 100%.

    Your chance to win the lottery is: [1 - (1 - 0.50)^2] * 100% = 75%.

    Quoting the original post, we should expect the Dark Empowerment revive chance to be 59.04%, or just less than 3/5 times.

    I will test Dark Empowerment more later, and reply if I notice any substantial deviation.

    any more thoughts on this?

    i have a team of hood, dormamu, dormamu , mordo and morningstar so from the above i should have three 20% chances to revive each time dorm, MS or hood fight.
    [1 - (1 - 0.20)^3] * 100% = 48.8%.

    In a small sample of 20 fights i had 2 revives. This doesn't make sense. Maybe the answer is that this synergy only sounds good but is actually ****?
  • GreenstrokeGreenstroke Member Posts: 291 ★
    Kabam Miike wrote: »
    Sorry for the late reply! The team has given me some information on this.

    So, it doesn't look like it's broken, but the chances don't stack. They are independent of each other. 20% Chance per synergy means that bringing 5 copies of the Synergy doesn't mean a 100% chance, but 5 chances at 20%.

    We did test it, and it does look like it is working correctly, but will continue to monitor it to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

    Also i think the biggest problem here is that Synergies doesnt work in AWD, so why dont you look into that?
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