Human Torch Map5 AQ needs to be toned down......hes too powerful as a sub boss!

Hes bleed immune which .makes most skill champs that would be counters like Blade less effective. He has buffet so he gains HP EVERY time you dodge and use dex! If u dont dex his Level 1 he gains heat then u die from incinerate! Then u give him boosts to make his incenerate worse.....seriously hes too powerful. There are limited incenerate immune champs at least Hyperion didnt have buffet and you could power lock him. This boss is harder than the final! At very least take off the buffet node so he doesnt penalize us for using dexterity. The Buffet with all rest of his abilities is too much.

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Pyrda

Any updates on this? We are using blade at the moment without having dex skilled...but he is pretty hard for a miniboss

Remeli

Been 1 shoting him with Blade easy so far. I dont see any problem with HT mini.

-sixate-

Been 1 shoting him with Blade easy so far. I dont see any problem with HT mini.

What's your pratige at? His buffet regen is 15%. Dex his sp1 and 15% regen. Without Blade's bleed and max despair Blade won't out damage a 210k health miniboss that regens 15% health so fast. I used my R5 sig 200 Ægon today and after 3 minutes he was still at 70% health after I hit him 130+ times. I'll use Warlock going from here so his regen won't be an issue.

Use Void if you have him, I don't.

Mirage_Turtle

I don't play map 5, so forgive me if he's got extra nodes that aren't mentioned here, but there are quite a few options, some unorthodox, that could work here:

-Void is an obvious one. Let the petrifies stack and hold off on firing too many L1's so he doesn't go Nova. Then fight him normally and let buffet work against him.

-Cap IW: again, use petrify to nullify/reverse buffet. At this point, he's a normal fight.

-King Groot: Use the despair mastery. Stack 7 armor breaks on him and he won't regen from buffet anymore. Take advantage of the Poison on the L2. Even if you time out, you can likely regen quite a bit on the next attempt. Plus side here is that King Groot is super sustainable for clearing lines in AQ.

-Invisible Woman: Stack 7 vulnerability debuffs with despair and he won't heal anymore. At this point, it's a normal fight. Your dex game has to be on point.

-Night Thrasher: He's incinerate immune and doesn't rely on bleed. Stick to disorient debuffs and try to trigger a taunt to stack furies and really go to down on him.

-Mr. Fantastic: Use his pre-fight debuffs to weaken his healing and incinerate abilities. Torch will spam L1's so you should get a careful study passive up pretty readily.

-Aegon: when built up, I have to assume he'd be amazing for this fight.

-Ghost: convert incinerates to furies and take him down quickly

-Quake: No contact, no problem.

-Star Lord: He doesn't need to rely on energy attacks to build up a high attack rating. Maintain your combo and you'll outpace his buffet healing.

I don't know what other nodes are on him, but maybe there are some less convention options that are worth a shot. What are his exact nodes? What are his stats (health pool)?

World Eater

I've taken him down (linked) with my 5/65 unawakened Quake.

Definitely good choices above from Mirage_Turtle, although I've found it a little hard to solo using Void because his specials are energy based attacks.

Ultimatheory

Spark should work as well. He will outdamage buffet with enough poise and helps if you mistime dodging a special. Avoid using SP2.

1182512

I've always found HT to be the best counter for HT... especially if you use nova flame.

Mirage_Turtle

I've taken him down (linked) with my 5/65 unawakened Quake.

Definitely good choices above from Mirage_Turtle, although I've found it a little hard to solo using Void because his specials are energy based attacks.

That's why I'm curious about the health pool. I mentioned above that specials should be used sparingly. When I fight Torch with Void, I generally throw 1 L1 to help get things going and then just hold my power for an L3 finish, letting the debuffs do the work for me.

I'd be surprised if the IP debuff damage, reversed buffet damage, and normal attacks all together wouldn't be enough for a solo here. Especially once the buffet was fully reversed, you should actively be trying to trigger that dexterity buff to bring the pain. If used in conjunction with despair, reversed buffet damage alone should be enough to take him down in about 6 triggers even if there weren't other damage coming in.

Again, this is all said with the caveat of me not playing this version of Human Torch. Maybe there's something I'm missing. If anyone has a video, please share it.

ege999men

if you're using quake make sure to block or he'll still heal

Speeds80

Yeah it’s a doable fight but too tough for map 5, does need toning down, he had him today with brute force, it was horrible

StevieManWonder

I soloed him with a r5 sig 25 Mister Fantastic. Get three petrifies up and allow his sp1 to hit you and you’ll reverse the healing and stop him from getting smolders

ShiiiiiiiiiD

Its way harder then it needs to be for a map 5 sub mini. The first one is not a problem. The 2nd HT has buffet for 15% healing which is about 30k. Blade just cant do enough damage in time with HT being bleed immune and the Crazy amount of incinerate he puts on blade. Sunspot does well but 1 slip up on the buffet and theres another 30k and then in nove flame form you start to degen way too much.

The people who can petrify arent incinerate immune. Void who is incinerate immune just degens to death. nobody is degen immune. theres just a lot of skill involved for a map 5 sub mini. We have decided to just do map 6 days 2 thru 5 whenever HT is the mini. we hadnt slipped up on a map 5 or 6 in months and the first time we get the HT mini weve not made it past section 2 twice in the same week. Theres a problem and its not our skill level. He should be the map 6 mini.

Yofa

Yes frankly the 2nd mini boss buffet 15% is too much ... its reign is massive...tu ne peux pas esquiver son sp1 alors que c'est le plus facile...you can not dodge its sp1 when it is the easiest ... during the first rotation it does not seem to me that it was also annoying human torch

Pj139

Agreed...it’s making the game not fun to play

Pj139

After he killed my 5* rank 5 lvl 200 CG, Blade, And Cap IW with that ridiculousness of a regeneration he only lost 5% health....how do they expect people to play a game that you can’t even get partially through.

Thecurler

Use red hulk and don't dex. You'll die from chip damage but should take 50% of his health no problem.

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Knorr7227

Day 4 of Map 5 (11.5k prestige on day 4) with HT 2nd mini and we’re stuck.. everyone in the bg tries to bring at least one counter and we’re all basically dead from trying to get past him.. he’s way overpowered for a sub-mini..we’re all vets and have never had an issue with Map 5 except with this HT.. other minis we don’t have an issue with
@Mirage_Turtle he has a few other nodes besides buffet

Jcobra25

Agreed, the buffet on it is just too much. Kabam this 2nd mini human torch is just too OP if you keep the bleed immune and the buffet both.

Please replace one of the two

H3t3r

Wouldnt void work just play passive. Kind of like playing against 6.2.5 mordo

andrade5184

Wouldnt void work just play passive. Kind of like playing against 6.2.5 mordo

Void works if you play perfectly and there is no room for error. voids sp1 gives him 2 smolder charges so using it is a bad idea. this mini boss is way to op. we already have doom and all those doom bots which already suck you dont need to throw in a miniboss with insane regen that has very few counters. this one is worse than when you tried to make us fight hyperion with oscillate and power lock at the start of the fight. please fix soon i have already wasted crazy amounts of potions, revives and units only to watch someone go in and have his health doubled.

KevanproG

Quake and Captian Marvel are the champs I used both can one shot but mine are rank 5 so might be why they are fairly easy but maybe they should just town down buffet that the only problem I have

Imran

Today our all alliance member dead against this 2nd human torch mini as war also going.

Charlie21540

Aegon = 1 shot every time

WeeHobbit89

Use elsa bloodstone. Easy prey

CptnBsnDirecto

This fight is WAY to hard for map miniboss. Day4 and 5 were ridiculous for our ally in all three groups...it was not fun and many are getting fed up with this unexpected change from previous weeks.

Mirage_Turtle

Thanks for the picture @Knorr7227 . It doesn't appear to me that any of the additional nodes would prevent a person from using any of the counters I listed.

Wouldnt void work just play passive. Kind of like playing against 6.2.5 mordo
Void works if you play perfectly and there is no room for error. voids sp1 gives him 2 smolder charges so using it is a bad idea. this mini boss is way to op. we already have doom and all those doom bots which already suck you dont need to throw in a miniboss with insane regen that has very few counters. this one is worse than when you tried to make us fight hyperion with oscillate and power lock at the start of the fight. please fix soon i have already wasted crazy amounts of potions, revives and units only to watch someone go in and have his health doubled.

Respectfully, what am I missing about Void? Like I mentioned in my first post in this thread, I'd say Void should start the fight by launching an early L1 to get his Intimidating Presence debuffs going. After this, just hold your specials so you don't give him additional smolder charges. Save for an L3 and use it when you're going to finish the fight.

Once 2 petrifies are up, the buffet will no longer be healing him. If you have despair, it'll be actively harmful to Torch. Use that to your advantage. When the buffet cooldown timer is done, intentionally trigger a dexterity for the precision buff to add some extra damage. Once Fear of the Void triggers and you have petrify debuffs, he'll start taking a ton of damage for each buffet triggered.

Void is naturally incinerate immune, so his block proficiency will never be reduced. Torch is not stun immune and doesn't even have limber. Torch is typically eager to throw his L1 as well, so you likely won't have to work hard to bait specials. And the L1 is punishable, so you get a lot of openings to attack. Plus, if you held off on throwing additional specials, he'll be at 2 Smolder charges. That means you can block 5 L1's before he goes Nova. You should be evading his L1's, but you've got a cushion of messing up 5 times before anything really bad happens.

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone. I'm just trying to help. Based on what I see, I think Void would be my preferred counter for this fight and I don't see it taking longer than 2.5 minutes to get him down (I'd estimate less than 2 minutes with good petrify RNG). Buffet works in Void's favor. Why does Void require "perfect play" to get the job done?

My best guess is Torch's L1 is the problem. Is that it? If you're having trouble evading and punishing it, I'd highly suggest dueling him a lot until you get it down. It makes Torch everywhere else very manageable.

Please, if I'm missing something, let me know.

Pulyaman

I used my 4 star maxed Void for that mini boss on day 4, don't know what the problem is. I would say he is the easiest of 3 mini boss, Red skull is always a pain and Mr. Fantastic is easier but his evades are annoying , and he has a hurt locker node mechanic inbuilt , so you don't want to throw 2 same specials, Torch is the easiest of Map 5 mini boss.Considering we had hyperion who was an unbelievable pain in the ass, this is not even comparable

Mcord11758

I am confused. I was able to solo 2nd using R2 CAPIW without dupe