Should I become Thronebreaker?

It finally happened... and of course it’s on my weakest class...

For those of you who are Thronebreaker, should I rank up one of these champions (most likely Morningstar)? It’s the age old question of “should I rank up a champion I won’t use to become Thronebreaker.”

Comments

pseudosane

Which champs?

Lvernon15

Ms, yeah I’d probably go for it

Thicco_Mode

Drax isn't that good tbh

Sarvanga1_

I can only sense drax. Where are the other options?

tfdrp2

Do it.... if you get good pulls from the TB daily and other TB "stuff" you will have multiple R3 over the year. If you wait for the perfect/better champ, you may miss out on "stuff". Also, if you do it after the beginning of the month (happened to me) you have to wait until the next month for the TB calendar.

Disgruntled_User_123

Sorry those are my champs

Thicco_Mode

oh i think ms is defo worth it

KoiBoy18

MS is a more than worthy candidate to R3 - do it and enjoy TB status

unknown

This content has been removed.

ẞlооd

@will-o-wisp

You would say Morningstar, right?

unknown

This content has been removed.

Soulreaver42

Morningstar is worth r3 even if it's nor for Thronebreaker. Definitely rank her up.

Thanos1149

Bro you want to rank up Morningstar when there is EBONY MAW. Don’t underestimate the power of the Maw! Rank up Maw, many will agree with me

Go with Morningstar dude

Thanos1149

By the way go with the option I chose only if your are VERY close to forming another good one. Otherwise rank Maw up

jk again

Eb0ny-O-M4w

You don't have too much room of a choise there.

It should obviously be Ebony Maw.

DrZola

A “nuanced” contrarian perspective...

If Morningstar is your R3 choice, that’s a good choice. I wouldn’t flinch at taking her to R3 if that’s your issue. She’s a high quality champ.

But my experience with the “spoils” of TB is that it isn’t really a game-changer. I wouldn’t do it just for those spoils. Let me explain...

Daily crystals are pRNG crapshoots. My haul has been a T4b here, 10% of a T5b there, maybe a couple 9K T2a shard pulls and some mixed T4c stuff. Hardly worth getting excited over. The only full cats I’ve gotten have been T4b and a mutant T4.

But what people screenshot are the jackpot prizes. I hope you get nothing but jackpots, but you’d do well to expect hauls more like mine.

Four-hour crystals are souped-up versions of the old four-hour crystals. Better pots, when I’ve opened a few, and similar frustration around producing a revive when you need one.

The 10% calendar T5c crystal is good. Again, pRNG prize, so consider that again.

There’s a once a week shot for a 5% T5c crystal for 2700 glory, which means additional pRNG shots at T5c a month. Overall, that’s good and in my opinion the main TB benefit.

Other free things...25 unit reduction on regular Cav crystals if that’s something you’re into. A couple of shard Cavs a month (likely 3/4*).

Beyond that, there’s a buff to Sigil purchases that allows you to get a featured 6* for 13K shards and the option to trade 10K 5* shards twice for 750 6* shards. But that costs $10 a month for the privilege.

So I’d put it this way: the TB basket of things is like so many gift baskets—a few things that have some value, but a lot of stuff just there to make the basket look full.

Bottom line: if you don’t like MS or don’t intend to ever use her, don’t R3 her. I think she’s a good enough R3 you should learn her if you haven’t already. But of your plan is just R3 because you’ve been sold on the riches that await TB, I’d think a bit more and maybe wait for better options.

Dr. Zola

TitoBandito187

Do it! Although the daily crystals aren't always tip prizes, you're easily picking up at least something like 1/2 of a t4cc a day or a few thousand 5* shards. That adds up fast overtime so you can rank others faster. And with the side event rewards, calendar, etc, you're looking at 20-25% random t5cc shards a month plus whatever you snag from the daily crystal at times. It adds up overtime and if any pay or unit deals drop, you'll have access to them too. MS is a fine R3 champ. You really want to wait several more months for another "possible" champ which may or may not come? I have opened up 33x 6* champs and still don't have a single skill champ! How's that for luck? Good thing my t5cc was tech, cause if it had been skill, I'd be raging mad.

Now, imagine, how much extra t4cc, 5* shards, t5cc shards and occasional amazing daily drops you will get in the next 2-3 months and how that will help you R2 another couple 6* or r5 another couple 5* or get you closer to your next R3.. which I'm assuming is still your goal? You'll just be getting there faster and you're not ranking up a scrub champ either.

Mauled

Morningstar is worth ranking up let alone just for the title, absolutely savage in incursions too.

Aaronc94

Rank up Morningstar, u won't regret it, u will get easier access to t5cc and daily crystals can surprise you sometimes

DrZola

Rank up Morningstar, u won't regret it, u will get easier access to t5cc and daily crystals can surprise you sometimes

This is a good description of the daily.

Translation: don’t do it for the daily.

Dr. Zola

DNA3000

@DrZola

Just FYI, I've been tracking my TB dailies, and here's the current summary for my last 91 crystals (i've actually opened 100, but for certain data purity reasons I am not counting the first nine):

91 crystals isn't a ton of data, but I can see hints of the numbers converging on "likely" percentages. For example it does kind of seem like about 25% of the crystals contain T4B (crystals or fragments), 25% contain T4CC, 25% contain T2A, 15% contain T5B, and the rest is the rest. Those numbers "feel" like they could be what the designer was aiming for approximately, so I'm assuming my pulls are not wildly off the actual designed statistical drop rates.

If so, then the question becomes: how long should you wait for a "better" pull to R3, based on the opportunity cost. Waiting three months for a better pull could cost something on the order of:

17.5 T4B
16 T4CC
6.75 T2A
1.4 T5B
0.3 T5CC
10k 5* shards
40 units

Honestly, I don't even remember what the drops were for the Cav daily so I can't calculate the difference, but my recollection was it was nowhere near. Is that pile of rewards enough for me to rank up Iron Fist to r3? Nope. But is it high enough for me to rank up Morningstar? If it was me, you betcha.

Of course if you hate Morningstar and refuse to play her, that should be a (negative) factor but if you're even just ambivalent about Morningstar, I would recommend ranking up. She's not the best mystic to r3, but I would consider her a very strong candidate for first rank up.

Crcrcrc

@DrZola

Just FYI, I've been tracking my TB dailies, and here's the current summary for my last 91 crystals (i've actually opened 100, but for certain data purity reasons I am not counting the first nine):

91 crystals isn't a ton of data, but I can see hints of the numbers converging on "likely" percentages. For example it does kind of seem like about 25% of the crystals contain T4B (crystals or fragments), 25% contain T4CC, 25% contain T2A, 15% contain T5B, and the rest is the rest. Those numbers "feel" like they could be what the designer was aiming for approximately, so I'm assuming my pulls are not wildly off the actual designed statistical drop rates.

If so, then the question becomes: how long should you wait for a "better" pull to R3, based on the opportunity cost. Waiting three months for a better pull could cost something on the order of:

17.5 T4B
16 T4CC
6.75 T2A
1.4 T5B
0.3 T5CC
10k 5* shards
40 units

Honestly, I don't even remember what the drops were for the Cav daily so I can't calculate the difference, but my recollection was it was nowhere near. Is that pile of rewards enough for me to rank up Iron Fist to r3? Nope. But is it high enough for me to rank up Morningstar? If it was me, you betcha.

Of course if you hate Morningstar and refuse to play her, that should be a (negative) factor but if you're even just ambivalent about Morningstar, I would recommend ranking up. She's not the best mystic to r3, but I would consider her a very strong candidate for first rank up.

10k 6* shards probably has like a 0.01% drop rate

HSS75

And also a couple of features in thronebreaker aren't yet in the game

Disgruntled_User_123

@DrZola

Just FYI, I've been tracking my TB dailies, and here's the current summary for my last 91 crystals (i've actually opened 100, but for certain data purity reasons I am not counting the first nine):

91 crystals isn't a ton of data, but I can see hints of the numbers converging on "likely" percentages. For example it does kind of seem like about 25% of the crystals contain T4B (crystals or fragments), 25% contain T4CC, 25% contain T2A, 15% contain T5B, and the rest is the rest. Those numbers "feel" like they could be what the designer was aiming for approximately, so I'm assuming my pulls are not wildly off the actual designed statistical drop rates.

If so, then the question becomes: how long should you wait for a "better" pull to R3, based on the opportunity cost. Waiting three months for a better pull could cost something on the order of:

17.5 T4B
16 T4CC
6.75 T2A
1.4 T5B
0.3 T5CC
10k 5* shards
40 units

Honestly, I don't even remember what the drops were for the Cav daily so I can't calculate the difference, but my recollection was it was nowhere near. Is that pile of rewards enough for me to rank up Iron Fist to r3? Nope. But is it high enough for me to rank up Morningstar? If it was me, you betcha.

Of course if you hate Morningstar and refuse to play her, that should be a (negative) factor but if you're even just ambivalent about Morningstar, I would recommend ranking up. She's not the best mystic to r3, but I would consider her a very strong candidate for first rank up.

Thanks for the data - I truly appreciate it! I think I’ll wait for the level up event and take her up to rank 3. She really is a frustrating champion to ramp up and in her unawakened state she seems to rely heavily on the mephisto/Guilotine synergy to get her souls faster. At 5 souls, she’s good but she’s definitely not a at a Corvus or Aegon level when they’re ramped up. However, I may never pull a 6 star Doom or a better mystic than Morningstar so I think this is the probably the best bet before the new month begins.

Moosetiptronic

As someone with 5/65 Ms, 5/65 aegon and 2/35 6* corvus and I run suicides... Ms at 5 souls is better than corvus at 4 charges and very close to aegon at sub 500 combo. She is certainly substantially more sustainable, even with suicides and willpower giving corvus heals.

I have a 6* Ms as well and if my first t5cc is mystic in another month, then will be first.

At 5 souls she is an almost unparalleled monster.

Don't get me wrong, there is just about better pure damage, defo better healing, better nullify and better power control, but for all 3 it's her or bwcv.

Moosetiptronic

Oh and Brian just rank 3 his as his 4th rank 3, admittedly for prestige but I bet he will use her a lot.

DrZola

@DrZola

Just FYI, I've been tracking my TB dailies, and here's the current summary for my last 91 crystals (i've actually opened 100, but for certain data purity reasons I am not counting the first nine):

91 crystals isn't a ton of data, but I can see hints of the numbers converging on "likely" percentages. For example it does kind of seem like about 25% of the crystals contain T4B (crystals or fragments), 25% contain T4CC, 25% contain T2A, 15% contain T5B, and the rest is the rest. Those numbers "feel" like they could be what the designer was aiming for approximately, so I'm assuming my pulls are not wildly off the actual designed statistical drop rates.

If so, then the question becomes: how long should you wait for a "better" pull to R3, based on the opportunity cost. Waiting three months for a better pull could cost something on the order of:

17.5 T4B
16 T4CC
6.75 T2A
1.4 T5B
0.3 T5CC
10k 5* shards
40 units

Honestly, I don't even remember what the drops were for the Cav daily so I can't calculate the difference, but my recollection was it was nowhere near. Is that pile of rewards enough for me to rank up Iron Fist to r3? Nope. But is it high enough for me to rank up Morningstar? If it was me, you betcha.

Of course if you hate Morningstar and refuse to play her, that should be a (negative) factor but if you're even just ambivalent about Morningstar, I would recommend ranking up. She's not the best mystic to r3, but I would consider her a very strong candidate for first rank up.

That’s useful data.

I think the dailies were oversold as game changers. Nice to have, but not mind-blowing in my opinion.

If I take your stats and divide by 3, it boils down to mostly a batch of T4b and T4c with an occasional shard T2a or T5b monthly.

I still think MS is worthy of R3 unawakened, and the OP appears to agree. We agree that’s a smart decision.

But I also think it’s helpful to dispute the notion that a bad R3 is worth it to unlock all the TB rewards. MS is by far not a bad R3; but the TB benefits, as they stand today, don’t justify being hell-bent on just any R3.

Good example of what the forums should be used for—helpful discussion, advice, and debate.

Dr. Zola

DrZola

@DrZola

Just FYI, I've been tracking my TB dailies, and here's the current summary for my last 91 crystals (i've actually opened 100, but for certain data purity reasons I am not counting the first nine):

91 crystals isn't a ton of data, but I can see hints of the numbers converging on "likely" percentages. For example it does kind of seem like about 25% of the crystals contain T4B (crystals or fragments), 25% contain T4CC, 25% contain T2A, 15% contain T5B, and the rest is the rest. Those numbers "feel" like they could be what the designer was aiming for approximately, so I'm assuming my pulls are not wildly off the actual designed statistical drop rates.

If so, then the question becomes: how long should you wait for a "better" pull to R3, based on the opportunity cost. Waiting three months for a better pull could cost something on the order of:

17.5 T4B
16 T4CC
6.75 T2A
1.4 T5B
0.3 T5CC
10k 5* shards
40 units

Honestly, I don't even remember what the drops were for the Cav daily so I can't calculate the difference, but my recollection was it was nowhere near. Is that pile of rewards enough for me to rank up Iron Fist to r3? Nope. But is it high enough for me to rank up Morningstar? If it was me, you betcha.

Of course if you hate Morningstar and refuse to play her, that should be a (negative) factor but if you're even just ambivalent about Morningstar, I would recommend ranking up. She's not the best mystic to r3, but I would consider her a very strong candidate for first rank up.
Thanks for the data - I truly appreciate it! I think I’ll wait for the level up event and take her up to rank 3. She really is a frustrating champion to ramp up and in her unawakened state she seems to rely heavily on the mephisto/Guilotine synergy to get her souls faster. At 5 souls, she’s good but she’s definitely not a at a Corvus or Aegon level when they’re ramped up. However, I may never pull a 6 star Doom or a better mystic than Morningstar so I think this is the probably the best bet before the new month begins.

Good call. There aren’t that many mystics I’d put ahead of MS anyway. Good luck!

Dr. Zola

Disgruntled_User_123

Always appreciate your input @DrZola! And thanks for the stats @DNA3000!