Please don’t release another rarity

With r4 materials just coming out, some players are starting to question what’s next. The game has to go on somehow, but I don’t think the community will be happy chasing the same champs all over again.

6 stars were teased in summer 2017 when rank 5s weren’t possible, released in January 2018, and players weren’t happy. This resentment trickled down well into 2020 when the community still felt alienated over 4 star bans in story content and lacked the basic champs needed for Act 6, among other things.

Kabam’s done an amazing job addressing player concerns with their roadmaps, quality of life improvements, removing links in AQ/AW, and adding AQ tickets and dual class crystals, but if the next big thing is chasing the same champs all over again, I don’t think that will go over very well at all.

I’m not a game developer and acknowledge that chasing champs is probably the whole point, but I’m not sure we can stomach another rarity. These types of games have to constantly progress , but is there any way to do it without resetting everyone’s work?

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IKON

Well, when we have R5 6*, what's the next way to progress then? If you don't have another level of progression, you basically have ended the game.

BitterSteel

7* make sense, but what I don't want is them to be rushed out just to make money, they need to come when the time is right

SpideyFunko

7* make sense, but what I don't want is them to be rushed out just to make money, they need to come when the time is right

Etjama

Well, when we have R5 6*, what's the next way to progress then? If you don't have another level of progression, you basically have ended the game.

☝️ Exactly this. But like @BitterSteel said, it needs to come out at the right time instead of a quick release to make some cash. And as we just saw from R4 materials in Spring Cleaning, that's unlikely.

Hoitado

7 stars on the border will look weird 😂

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World Eater

When 7* come, I’m done. I have 0 desire to collect all the same champs AGAIN as 7* after 6+ years.

At that point they might as well come out with MCOC 2

Headroller

6-7 team champion content might be best way forward. Synergies can be a pretty powerful way of tackling content.

7*’s are probably inevitable if this game is meant to be around forever but increasing the champions allowed to bring on a quest might be a nice buffer moving towards that point.

You wouldn’t need to adjust existing content either.

Demonic_embrace

Mark my words, bringing out 7 stars will kill this game, it'll make everybody who have spent so my time and real life money on to develop their 6 star roster look like fools, and trust me 80 percent of the community will quit, I know I would quit.

FineDog

When 7* come, I’m done. I have 0 desire to collect all the same champs AGAIN as 7* after 6+ years.

At that point they might as well come out with MCOC 2

I'm not a game designer and I'm only recently Cavalier, so I'm a long way off from caring much about this issue, but I think this is probably the right idea. I play looter/shooter games like Borderlands, and one of the fun things about that genre is there's lots of gear that does interesting things, right? But then they raise the level cap every few months and your god-tier, meta-quality gun becomes outdated and the solution is to chase...the exact same gun but with slightly better stats. This is when the game gets boring and you check out for a few years until the next one in the series comes out and there are new graphics, new mechanics, and other things that make the game feel fresh.

I may only be Cavalier but I've been playing this game since 2016 and I've invested quite a lot of time into it, so if Kabam decided they were going to continue maintaining MCOC but switch focus to MCOC 2, I would probably be pretty bummed that all my effort was coming to an end, but I also don't know how happy I'll be if five years from now I'm opening another 8* Iron Patriot in my fruitless quest for the right champs to get through Variant 19. I think they can keep MCOC fresh without just launching a new game entirely, but the solution probably isn't endless power creep and will require something more creative that I can't think of because I'm not a game designer.

BitterSteel

Mark my words, bringing out 7 stars will kill this game, it'll make everybody who have spent so my time and real life money on to develop their 6 star roster look like fools, and trust me 80 percent of the community will quit, I know I would quit.

people had almost overwhelmingly negative feedback on 6* being added, saying they'll quit, saying people will quit, saying it would ruin the game, saying it made 5* useless. Guess what, those people largely didn't quit, the game is still going, 5* are still used.

You say 80% will quit if 7* are added, i absolutely disagree, I think 80% would quit if progression stagnated and there was no challenge in the game anymore

TheTalents

If 7 stars have to come in the game my advice for Kabam is to only release those champions as 7 stars and not have a basic pool at all. This way it will bring rarity to the new Champs in the game artificially and will probably make a lot more money, especially if the champs are good. But to start with a 7 star Aegon when I already have a r3 soon to be r4 6 star Aegon will not be good. The exclusivity will make the transition much easier even though I don't want 7 stars at all at this point.

Mattstafari

I think it would be cool if they made attributes adjustable.

If all champs had 100 points that could be put into attributes and you chose where they go at the start of the quest, it could make things pretty interesting.

Champs might have a few more viable uses.

Panchulon21

6 stars came out summer of 2017?? Damn time flies if OP is right. I remember it being summer for sure. But thought it was 2018.

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DNA3000

but is there any way to do it without resetting everyone’s work?

Yes.

However, most of them make the game pretty unpalatable for new players to join, which ultimately causes the game to enter a long term decline. Part of what keeps a game like this fresh is a constant influx of new players, and the fact that every rarity tier has partially "reset the clock" on player progress makes this game a lot more attractive for newer players. There is no perfect balance between allowing veterans to keep building up without progress depreciation and letting new players have at least the theoretical notion that they can join today and catch up with the majority of players tomorrow.

The one sure thing is leaning too much in one direction tends to be fatal, but you never know when you've done it until it is too late.

odishika123

7 star Groot would break the game

And people's Hearts

Ackbar67

Mark my words, bringing out 7 stars will kill this game, it'll make everybody who have spent so my time and real life money on to develop their 6 star roster look like fools, and trust me 80 percent of the community will quit, I know I would quit.

I don't know if you were playing when 6 stars were introduced, but that is exactly what people said back then and it didn't happen at all

Crcrcrc

I still think instead of 7* they should add like a 6* rebirth or something to increase the power level, so people can still use the champs they’ve worked with for years, but have a lot more upgrades to give them in the futures

DNA3000

Mark my words, bringing out 7 stars will kill this game, it'll make everybody who have spent so my time and real life money on to develop their 6 star roster look like fools, and trust me 80 percent of the community will quit, I know I would quit.

This prediction was made when 6* champs came out. I believe we're far enough along at this point to say with reasonable confidence that those predictions are unlikely to be true.

I can absolutely guarantee that the 80% number is not just a wild exaggeration, but completely disconnected from reality. I would be amazed if the number was 8%. 80% of the player community doesn't even have mature 6* rosters to even care. For the vast majority of players, 7* champs would be an overall net benefit.

You'd think having no significant 6* champs would mean those players wouldn't care either way, but that ignores the fact that if and when 7* champs arrive the game would also make 6* and 5* champs even easier to get. So for those that don't have mature 6* rosters or even 5* rosters, 7* champs would generate major progress acceleration as a side effect to anyone not yet working on maxing out their 6* roster yet.

And of the players near the top, many of them had no real problem sticking around and investing in 6* champs knowing that 6* champs just displaced 5* champs at the top, and therefore you have to assume that most of them with a brain would believe that one day 7* champs would do the same to 6* champs. And let's face it, many whales explicitly spend to buy separation from the pack, and anything they can spend money on that would make them higher than the competition is something they would welcome in the game, even if they grumbled about it. It is true there are probably many spenders whose goal is to "buy everything" and they would not be happy if their everything suddenly became nothing. But players spending for advantage are probably more common, and they always want ways for their spending to generate a relative difference among peers. Expensive 7* champs would be another way for their spending to create a gap between them and other mature top tier players.

So even 8% would be a complete surprise. I doubt if even 1% quit after 6* champs arrived, and I would not bet a nickle on a measurable net percentage of players quitting if 7* champs arrived.

Bendy

I still think instead of 7* they should add like a 6* rebirth or something to increase the power level, so people can still use the champs they’ve worked with for years, but have a lot more upgrades to give them in the futures

They could always add an extra rank for 6s to keep it for an extra 2 years

Kerneas

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used

BitterSteel

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used

People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory

magnus_xix

Here me out...rank 6 6*s

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TheTalents

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used
People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory

Well if they are releasing 7 stars that would actually make a lot of sense on why content has been so dry since 7.1 dropped. I just think r4 6 stars are completely pointless and 7 stars are even worse because there is no content to justify its birth. r4 6 stars would pretty much ensure that we can solo all the abyss matches that are currently available and that's our most difficult content outside of act 6 which has already been nerfed.

BitterSteel

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used
People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory
Well if they are releasing 7 stars that would actually make a lot of sense on why content has been so dry since 7.1 dropped. I just think r4 6 stars are completely pointless and 7 stars are even worse because there is no content to justify its birth. r4 6 stars would pretty much ensure that we can solo all the abyss matches that are currently available and that's our most difficult content outside of act 6 which has already been nerfed.

It’ll be a while until rank 4s are here, until then, we may get a lot of content they are necessary in. Again, people are acting like 6 r4s will be here in the next month or two

TheTalents

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used
People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory
Well if they are releasing 7 stars that would actually make a lot of sense on why content has been so dry since 7.1 dropped. I just think r4 6 stars are completely pointless and 7 stars are even worse because there is no content to justify its birth. r4 6 stars would pretty much ensure that we can solo all the abyss matches that are currently available and that's our most difficult content outside of act 6 which has already been nerfed.
It’ll be a while until rank 4s are here, until then, we may get a lot of content they are necessary in. Again, people are acting like 6 r4s will be here in the next month or two

It'll be less than a year away and I still think that's inappropriate. So yes, I'm talking as though its less than a year away and it is. We still have a whole July 4th, black Friday and gifting event and it will certainly be here by Dec's gifting event. No one said one or two months away except you.

BitterSteel

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used
People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory
Well if they are releasing 7 stars that would actually make a lot of sense on why content has been so dry since 7.1 dropped. I just think r4 6 stars are completely pointless and 7 stars are even worse because there is no content to justify its birth. r4 6 stars would pretty much ensure that we can solo all the abyss matches that are currently available and that's our most difficult content outside of act 6 which has already been nerfed.
It’ll be a while until rank 4s are here, until then, we may get a lot of content they are necessary in. Again, people are acting like 6 r4s will be here in the next month or two
It'll be less than a year away and I still think that's inappropriate. So yes, I'm talking as though its less than a year away and it is. We still have a whole July 4th, black Friday and gifting event and it will certainly be here by Dec's gifting event. No one said one or two months away except you.

How do you know there won’t be any content to use 6 r4s on before they are here?

DNA3000

It's not the time yet. I mean technically yes, r1 7* would equal a max 5*, with 7* r2 equalling r3 6*, but the content we have available atm is moderately difficult with 5*r5 and easy peasy with r3 6*s.

Imho, before 7*s get released, we need some new content where they'd make sense to be used
People are talking like 7* are confirmed in the next few months. We are talking likely at least a year before the announcement, and the announcement will be months before the actual release. This is a far future option, when act 7 and abyss is a distant memory
Well if they are releasing 7 stars that would actually make a lot of sense on why content has been so dry since 7.1 dropped. I just think r4 6 stars are completely pointless and 7 stars are even worse because there is no content to justify its birth. r4 6 stars would pretty much ensure that we can solo all the abyss matches that are currently available and that's our most difficult content outside of act 6 which has already been nerfed.

Rank 4s mean different things to different people. For the top players, it probably just means more fuel for the prestige race and alliance war competition. For other players, it is still a significant power increase that matters. I'm not doing the Abyss with my eyes closed with rank 3s. For me, r4s would make content easier in theory. But I'm also not likely to get an R4 on day one either.

The day one players will only get prestige and war fuel. But for those players, that still matters. Six months later the tier 2 players, where I probably am, will be getting R4s and for us that increase in power would still be meaningful. And then a year or two later, the average players will be getting those R4s to help them in things like Act 6 and 7, where they still struggle even with boosted R3s (if they even have them).

There will never be a lot of content that requires the highest tier champs played by the highest skilled players. So whether they introduce rank 4s tomorrow or a year from now, the one thing I can guarantee is that there won't be content that "needs it" at that time. It is the champs that come out first, and the content second. Or to be more specific, it is the content that comes out first, targeted at strong but not the strongest players who destroy the content with whatever roster they have. Then the champs come along that the majority of everyone else needs to chase to tackle that content.

To be candid, the highest tier everything is not meant to be used it is meant to be chased. Nobody cares if there's no content that "needs" R4s. That is immaterial. What matters is does anyone want to chase them. I suspect the R4 materials in the Spring Cleaning were in part an experiment to datamine how many players want to chase them so badly they would spend to get an almost meaningless amount of R4-related fragments. If that number is infinitesimally small, they know when people complain we're "overdue" for R4, that's an empty complaint. Conversely, if a lot of whales went after those offers then the devs know that the complaint "no one cares about R4 yet" is equally empty. The devs now have a better idea which of those more likely represents the state of the top.