I am Cavalier and been saving for 5* og Vision. Is the only way to get it by buying the 6*? If there is a stand alone 5* Vision deal for UC, please offer to everyone!
It was 1500 for 5* og Vision and a small tech rank up. It was like 10000 for a 6*. I only am getting a 6000 offer for both a 5 and 6*. I only want the 5*.
I always wonder what the expectation is when people say these Offers are terrible. A 6* version of a Champ that comes out once or twice a year is not going to be 100 Units.
Well... rumor wasn't true but there is a Vision offer...
That would have been a good offer back in 2019. Now at 2021 is just terrible and laughable. Also, why the 5* and 6* offers are attached together? I personally have a 5* 5/65 sig200 Vision, why I have to pay for another 5* that will give me some iso and few 6* shards, in order to get the 6* version? And finally, where is the 4* Vision offer? It has to show up for years. Easy pass for me 🙂
I always wonder what the expectation is when people say these Offers are terrible. A 6* version of a Champ that comes out once or twice a year is not going to be 100 Units.
Expectations were that at least the offers were not worst and probably better than last time. 5* was for 1500 units last time. If we consider that this offer gives the 5* and 6* for 6000 units, that means that the 6* costs 4500 units, which is no better than last time and this time you are forced to pay for the 5* version too. Offer is out of touch with the champion values and how much a 6* is valued for TB level player, let alone 5* values. A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units. That would be tempting for the players to spend their units, and Kabam profit through that drain on the upcoming 4th July offers, as it would drove a big margin of the vision offer buyers to buy units for the 4th July unit offers too.
Currently, 50% chance of getting it. Problem is, it will push the 5-Star sig higher. What is the reasonable units cost to get a class AG (no selector)?
Oh wow 3000 instead of 1500 just for unduped. Wouldn't buy it now. What a scam. July 4 better be a step up or I have no reason to purchase even the $5 monthly unit deals. I used those to put me over the top on these...ftp sounds better anyway.
Well that sucks... I had hoped I could get the five star by itself. I have a lot of champs that can boost him up good but I guess I’m going to have to pass. That 6k Bundle is way overpriced and I had saved up units to get a 5 star.
Hopefully they give us another chance on 4th of July, but I’m not sure if they would. Vision only comes once a year.
A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units.
That would be ridiculously good for a 6* Vision, which is to say, almost broken. It would specifically be wildly out of sync with the rest of the game. The current game economy values 6* champions somewhere around 5-6k units. A *targeted* 6* unit offer for 3k units would be practically giving it away.
A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units.
That would be ridiculously good for a 6* Vision, which is to say, almost broken. It would specifically be wildly out of sync with the rest of the game. The current game economy values 6* champions somewhere around 5-6k units. A *targeted* 6* unit offer for 3k units would be practically giving it away.
I’m not really sure the current game economy values a 6* around 5-6k units, at least for TB level players. I would personally not buy a regular 6* for even 3k units to be honest. Maybe I would buy a Nexus for that price, but then maybe, especially with the 4th July unit offers round the corner. That being said I think 3k for a 6* Vision, few days before 4th July offers, is more than reasonable if you want a huge margin of players to actually drop that units and drain them out. That would be smart business. Now, they just made most players to keep their units. Let’s hope 4th July offers aren’t so bad, because this time players will keep their money 🤣
A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units.
That would be ridiculously good for a 6* Vision, which is to say, almost broken. It would specifically be wildly out of sync with the rest of the game. The current game economy values 6* champions somewhere around 5-6k units. A *targeted* 6* unit offer for 3k units would be practically giving it away.
I’m not really sure the current game economy values a 6* around 5-6k units, at least for TB level players.
There's a couple ways to bracket around the effective value of 6* champs in terms of unit cost, which is what the Vision offer is valued in (values are different when it comes to spending cash). One way to look at it is to ask how much units you would need to spend on average to get a 6* champ from the crystals you can buy with units. There's two options there: the standard Cav which costs TBs 175 units, and the featured Cavs which costs everyone 300 units.
The featured Cav has a 4.5% chance to drop a 6* champ, which means on average you'll get a 6* champ every 6667 units spent. But the Cav has slightly better return than that, because it also has a 24% chance to drop a 5* champ. If we assume every 5* drop generates 275 6* shards (from dups) then the actual unit cost per 6* champ drops to 5814 units per 6* champ. In the best case scenario of every 5* drop generating a max sig crystal and that crystal dropping shards, the effective unit cost per 6* champion becomes 5155 units per 6* champ.
The standard Cav does better because of the TB discount. Here we get a 3% chance for 6* champ and 16% chance for 5* champ which equates to 5087 units per 6* champ assuming 275 shards per 5* drop, or 4510 units per 6* champ in the extreme case of every 5* champ ultimately generating 550 6* shards. Between the two crystals we have a range of 4500 to 5800 units per 6* champ, with the vast majority of players ending up mostly between 5k and 6k (even the 5800 unit number requires every drop to be a dup).
There's one other direct unit offer place to check: the Cav completion bundle. You can get that bundle for 2975 units. It includes, among other things, 5k 6* shards, 15k 5* shards, and 5 Cavalier crystals. If we just look at the 6* value contained in those crystals and shards, we get an average cost of about 4171 units per 6* champ. This offer is "fuzzier" for two reasons: first it contains other stuff which is difficult to factor out of the cost, and conversely it is a much more limited offer (you can only get it once per month).
Generally we expect bundles of stuff to be offered at significant discount to its components, and we expect limited quantity offers to have more value than infinitely repeatable ones. So I think the Cavalier crystals are closer to the intrinsic value of 6* crystals in terms of the in-game unit economy, and the Cav bundle is a significant discounted offer relative to that.
One more place to cross check the thinking. If 6* champs were valued somewhere around 5k-6k in units, we'd expect them to cost a little less than that in terms of cash. Cash is worth more than (an equivalent amount of) units, and cash generally buys more than an equivalent amount of units (because you can acquire units without spending). The daily $5 (USD) special is buying (among other things) a Cavalier crystal. It used to be a regular Cav, which would be an effective value of about 3378 units per 6* champion (converted from cash). With featured Cavs in there, it is closer to 2435 units per 6* champion (this by the way includes the 100 6* shards in there). And as these are limited offers (one per day) they probably represent higher value than the intrinsic value for cash. So cash seems to be valuing 6* champions somewhere in the vicinity of an equivalent of 3k-4k units (slightly higher than the daily specials). Even if we were to attempt to reduce that by the value of the stuff outside the crystal the value would still likely be approximately in that vicinity (depending on how you valued that stuff). So that seems to be a reasonable place for a daily cash offer to land, if 6* champions were valued at something like 5-6k of units.
It is also worth noting that if we do these calculations for the Cavalier crystals before their odds were updated we get numbers closer to 15000 units per 6* champ. So it is likely that such a dramatic change in crystal odds represents an actual lowering of the relative value of 6* champs to units, and not something that happened without specific targets in mind. So those numbers likely represent some actual real (explicit or implicit) valuation target for 6* champs.
A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units.
That would be ridiculously good for a 6* Vision, which is to say, almost broken. It would specifically be wildly out of sync with the rest of the game. The current game economy values 6* champions somewhere around 5-6k units. A *targeted* 6* unit offer for 3k units would be practically giving it away.
I’m not really sure the current game economy values a 6* around 5-6k units, at least for TB level players. I would personally not buy a regular 6* for even 3k units to be honest. Maybe I would buy a Nexus for that price, but then maybe, especially with the 4th July unit offers round the corner. That being said I think 3k for a 6* Vision, few days before 4th July offers, is more than reasonable if you want a huge margin of players to actually drop that units and drain them out. That would be smart business. Now, they just made most players to keep their units. Let’s hope 4th July offers aren’t so bad, because this time players will keep their money 🤣
As long as I can remember, people have been undervaluing Offers based on how they personally feel Items are worth. Which is entirely subjective. I can go into Wal-Mart and determine if their merchandise feels worth the price they're asking. However, the in-game value is something different. Quite plainly, that value is set by Kabam. Although it's not some arbitrary number they set. It has to do with rarity, the current in-game value, the demographic they're targeting, a number of factors. Simply put, we all have an idea of what we think it SHOULD cost. That's rarely realistic. If memory serves, the last time a 6* Vision was offered, it was 15k Units. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Vision is good, I like it a lot but not that great. Vision also needs to be duped and a lot of stones or it's totally useless so the value here is way more than 12k. And why in the hell do you put the 5* version in the same offer? You think it gives more value? Sorry Kabam, you are out of mind...
I did just because I keep getting 6*s I don't want at all, I got so sick of the RNG and never pulled a Doom, Corvus, Warlock, HT, Red Mags, Apoc, or CGR that I spent my units on a guaranteed champ I can use with my 5* Warlock and 5* Mags. Previous pulls from July 4th and Cyber Mondays netted me Capww2 twice, Squirrel Girl, Bishop, Sabertooth and Sym Supreme, so no thanks, I am passing on July 4th this time. OG Vision just became my 1st rank 2 6* today!
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The bad news is that I hope this isn’t an omen of what the offers are going to look like this upcoming weekend.
Now at 2021 is just terrible and laughable.
Also, why the 5* and 6* offers are attached together?
I personally have a 5* 5/65 sig200 Vision, why I have to pay for another 5* that will give me some iso and few 6* shards, in order to get the 6* version?
And finally, where is the 4* Vision offer? It has to show up for years.
Easy pass for me 🙂
5* was for 1500 units last time.
If we consider that this offer gives the 5* and 6* for 6000 units, that means that the 6* costs 4500 units, which is no better than last time and this time you are forced to pay for the 5* version too.
Offer is out of touch with the champion values and how much a 6* is valued for TB level player, let alone 5* values.
A good offer would have been 5* Vision for 1200 units and 6* Vision for 3000 units.
That would be tempting for the players to spend their units, and Kabam profit through that drain on the upcoming 4th July offers, as it would drove a big margin of the vision offer buyers to buy units for the 4th July unit offers too.
What is the reasonable units cost to get a class AG (no selector)?
Hopefully they give us another chance on 4th of July, but I’m not sure if they would. Vision only comes once a year.
I would personally not buy a regular 6* for even 3k units to be honest. Maybe I would buy a Nexus for that price, but then maybe, especially with the 4th July unit offers round the corner.
That being said I think 3k for a 6* Vision, few days before 4th July offers, is more than reasonable if you want a huge margin of players to actually drop that units and drain them out.
That would be smart business. Now, they just made most players to keep their units.
Let’s hope 4th July offers aren’t so bad, because this time players will keep their money 🤣
The featured Cav has a 4.5% chance to drop a 6* champ, which means on average you'll get a 6* champ every 6667 units spent. But the Cav has slightly better return than that, because it also has a 24% chance to drop a 5* champ. If we assume every 5* drop generates 275 6* shards (from dups) then the actual unit cost per 6* champ drops to 5814 units per 6* champ. In the best case scenario of every 5* drop generating a max sig crystal and that crystal dropping shards, the effective unit cost per 6* champion becomes 5155 units per 6* champ.
The standard Cav does better because of the TB discount. Here we get a 3% chance for 6* champ and 16% chance for 5* champ which equates to 5087 units per 6* champ assuming 275 shards per 5* drop, or 4510 units per 6* champ in the extreme case of every 5* champ ultimately generating 550 6* shards. Between the two crystals we have a range of 4500 to 5800 units per 6* champ, with the vast majority of players ending up mostly between 5k and 6k (even the 5800 unit number requires every drop to be a dup).
There's one other direct unit offer place to check: the Cav completion bundle. You can get that bundle for 2975 units. It includes, among other things, 5k 6* shards, 15k 5* shards, and 5 Cavalier crystals. If we just look at the 6* value contained in those crystals and shards, we get an average cost of about 4171 units per 6* champ. This offer is "fuzzier" for two reasons: first it contains other stuff which is difficult to factor out of the cost, and conversely it is a much more limited offer (you can only get it once per month).
Generally we expect bundles of stuff to be offered at significant discount to its components, and we expect limited quantity offers to have more value than infinitely repeatable ones. So I think the Cavalier crystals are closer to the intrinsic value of 6* crystals in terms of the in-game unit economy, and the Cav bundle is a significant discounted offer relative to that.
One more place to cross check the thinking. If 6* champs were valued somewhere around 5k-6k in units, we'd expect them to cost a little less than that in terms of cash. Cash is worth more than (an equivalent amount of) units, and cash generally buys more than an equivalent amount of units (because you can acquire units without spending). The daily $5 (USD) special is buying (among other things) a Cavalier crystal. It used to be a regular Cav, which would be an effective value of about 3378 units per 6* champion (converted from cash). With featured Cavs in there, it is closer to 2435 units per 6* champion (this by the way includes the 100 6* shards in there). And as these are limited offers (one per day) they probably represent higher value than the intrinsic value for cash. So cash seems to be valuing 6* champions somewhere in the vicinity of an equivalent of 3k-4k units (slightly higher than the daily specials). Even if we were to attempt to reduce that by the value of the stuff outside the crystal the value would still likely be approximately in that vicinity (depending on how you valued that stuff). So that seems to be a reasonable place for a daily cash offer to land, if 6* champions were valued at something like 5-6k of units.
It is also worth noting that if we do these calculations for the Cavalier crystals before their odds were updated we get numbers closer to 15000 units per 6* champ. So it is likely that such a dramatic change in crystal odds represents an actual lowering of the relative value of 6* champs to units, and not something that happened without specific targets in mind. So those numbers likely represent some actual real (explicit or implicit) valuation target for 6* champs.
If memory serves, the last time a 6* Vision was offered, it was 15k Units. Correct me if I'm wrong.