Does silver surfer take Incinerate damage against Torch?

These are the nodes and I have video as well.

Does anyone know why Silver Surfer took Incinerate damage after launching SP1?

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The_Sentry06

Silver Surfer only has resistance by 100%. Here, incinerates are 40% more effective and in general, Torch increases potency of his incinerates so Surfer ends taking incinerate damage.

Riptide

Enhanced incinerate. SS reduces the damage by 100%, but the node increases it by 40%

So 140 -100 = 40%

Hilbert_unbeatable2

Yes he does

rockykoston

Hmm , makes sense in a certain way but still odd.

Surfer reduces damage by 100%, so whatever the incoming Incinerate damage, he should reduce it. It's not like his Ability to reduce damage is affected.

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Hilbert_unbeatable2

The game sometimes confuses me too
In some cases it goes as u said (I forgot currently, I'll tell u when I remember) but in torch u take damage

ItsDamien

When you take percentages away from percentages, you're left with a percentage.

rockykoston

Yup yup

Numbers make more sense instead of percentages but I get it.

Just tried against another regular torch and I think it's safe to say, never use SS against Torch (any SS)

rockykoston

Thanks everyone I get it.

Colinwhitworth69

for that they make champs incinerate immune, not resistent.

AverageDesi

it does not help that some percentages do work like complete immunities like omega reds tentacle and namors sig and things protection

JhonST33

SS is great for HT, just don't launch sp1 and don't block las hit of his specials.

Terra

I prefer to simply evade HT's sp1 in it's entirety

FluffyPigMonster

Does this also factor into the math?

Meaning Surfer still has the Debuffs, is 100% immune, but Torch’s incinérâtes do this where other incinerates don’t affect champs this way.

ItsDamien

No, because the regeneration would only affect something like Willpower healing.

Surfer is resistant to incinerate, not immune.

FluffyPigMonster

But for people seeing so much damage from Torch’s incinerates who have willpower on, wouldn’t that just enhance the visual of the amount of damage Surfer takes. Especially in AW if the opponent Torch has despair?

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TyEdge

I understand the frustration but I think it’s best understood with a simple notation change. All of these things are additive. That’s why a 200% attack node dropping in AQ doesn’t cut Apocalypse’s attack to a third its prior value.

We wouldn’t have these discussions as often if it was presented as

+200% attack
Or
-100% damage from incinerate.

It’s also a contrast to immune champs and no-damage champs. Electro takes no damage from shock so he’s immune to shock enhancement. Mephisto for incinerate should operate the same way. Circus’s glaive immunity too. “Does not take damage” is their “multiply by zero.” -100% is just that.

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DNA3000

Because when it comes to percentages, the devs are not good at it, and the players are also not good at it, so there's no unambiguous set of words that everyone will understand that will fit in the ability description panels. The literal correct description would be to say that Silver Surfer reduces incineration damage modifiers by one hundred percentage points. That's unambiguous and precise. But how many players would understand that statement? How many players would understand the very common (in game design) but not necessarily intuitive idea of modifier accumulators? How many would know the difference between percentages and percentage points?

CoatHang3r

Would they really need a language change since the percentage actually represents a fraction? I would think they could change the numerical values from 100% to 100/100 and things like Torch’s incinerate to +20/100 since that’s what is actually being conveyed, fractions as percentages.

rockykoston

While I agree that kabam doesn't implement the same logic throughout the game, being a QA I can understand how these problems can creep up.

Language, numbers, percentages can certainly be ambiguous given the context.

I've tested Silver Surfer again vs a regular torch and he doesn't work if torch gets a smolder charge aka if you block the last hit in his special.

Smolders increase the chance of Incinerate and once you get an Incinerate, say good bye to surfer because each Incinerate/smolder increases dmg and activation by 12%.

It's quite simple, just remember not to use Silver Surfer against Torch.

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