Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

Demonzfyre

Lorddrew said:

They've already explained how. Gifting wasn't included in the ways they listed.

Kabam Miike, replied on Kabam Miike Posts from Eb0ny-O-M4w (page 2 this thread) with exact same example... the math's don't work out bud.

That's because Ebony doesn't include AQ and AW conveniently to fit his argument. Playing map 8 and placing top 40 and placing plat 1 or above gives R4 mats.

Accounts that this title is aimed at having been doing these for a while because they want more R4s. But hey, keep believing someone who omits info to believe they are right.

Gamer

It just unbelievable to getting to sterss over. It just a freaking game

SirGamesBond

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

ItsDamien

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

SirGamesBond

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

GroundedWisdom

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

ItsDamien

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

And you took a swing and a miss on this one chief. Kabam hasn’t paywalled top AQ or AW. The community has done that. Kabam gave the open market and those with money have chosen how to dictate that market. This is a self imposed thing that the community has decided to do. Kabam has never once said “If you want to be at the top you have to pay”, the players themselves DROVE that economy of spending.

So, wanna take another shot at your argument?

Worknprogress

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

You'd be surprised honestly. Not saying there are tons but I promise there are more than you think

SirGamesBond

I admit that the discussion took a wrong turn and I wouldn't want it to look like I'm being opposed to players.
I want to know how many f2p people have 3 r4s.as mentioned in their statement.
I was never against spenders in the first place.

It's about me doing everything, grinding regular arena, being amongst the top, but not at the summit.
But this is the first time a Content "soon to be released" is behind paywall.

Demonzfyre

SirGamesBond said:

I admit that the discussion took a wrong turn and I wouldn't want it to look like I'm being opposed to players.
I want to know how many f2p people have 3 r4s.as mentioned in their statement.
I was never against spenders in the first place.

It's about me doing everything, grinding regular arena, being amongst the top, but not at the summit.
But this is the first time a Content "soon to be released" is behind paywall.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. It's not behind a paywall. EoP isn't only for Paragon title holders. So please tell me how it's paywalled?

A_NAZ

TheTalents said:

SirGamesBond said:

The problem is content gated on a title just after announcing it's launch.
I don't want EOP rewards gated behind a title that you own by paying for it. This is the only thing that I care about in current situation.
I will not care "IF" EoP will be permanent. 'IF' it is temporary, then this is BS.

What was the longest time before a big content was gated behind a progression title after it was introduced?

I really don't care if I don't get Paragon July 4th unit offers.
My unit spend:
5k last July
18k CW
8.5k Gifting
10k 7.4. completion.
These are 99% grinded units.
+ Explored SOP and Gauntlet both.

Been playing map8 since its been live, been in p3 for many seasons.
I aslo dont want kabam to bring the requirement down from 3 r4s to 2.
But where are the available r4 mats? Nowhere.

Note(Not important): I have no intention to spend money, all I did spent was 5$ once. (People won't let me call f2p as I spend money once, now I have to mention this everytime)

If you only spent 5 bucks you're ftp. No need for a disclaimer.

@Worknprogress thoughts? I think you had similar sentiment to this

GroundedWisdom

Honestly, I don't know why there's so much pressure to be F2P. I can understand if someone doesn't have the means to spend. I can even understand if someone just chooses not to. Having to pony up about the choice is strange to me.

BigBlueOx

GroundedWisdom said:

Honestly, I don't know why there's so much pressure to be F2P. I can understand if someone doesn't have the means to spend. I can even understand if someone just chooses not to. Having to pony up about the choice is strange to me.

This 100%.

SirGamesBond

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

I admit that the discussion took a wrong turn and I wouldn't want it to look like I'm being opposed to players.
I want to know how many f2p people have 3 r4s.as mentioned in their statement.
I was never against spenders in the first place.

It's about me doing everything, grinding regular arena, being amongst the top, but not at the summit.
But this is the first time a Content "soon to be released" is behind paywall.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. It's not behind a paywall. EoP isn't only for Paragon title holders. So please tell me how it's paywalled?

I have done everything kabam asked us to do. I have bought unit offers in J4th and CW.
I bought 10k offer even when I didn't had units, I took my time to grind 10k and get that offer.
I explored sop and gauntlet.
I have 3 abyss carinas left. And the only revive intensive(hard) is Crinas challengers. Also waiting for a 5* knull, i can push these with units anyday, I'll complete all 3 before June.
That's why I grinded 10k for the act7 offer. I knew that I would need those mats in future.
After all that, I will end up with ~2.8 t6b and ~2.8 t3a.
I have one r4 I used the mats on and one r4 tech gem. So potentially 2.

There is a genuine reason that paragon EOP objective is bothering me. And it's the rewards.
In SOP there was the difference of 50 SIG's and a little t5cc between Cav and TB.
If the reward structure would be same like SOP's I don't know what potential rewards I'll miss.

This* Just because I didn't buy r4 mats from cash offers? It'll be the only thing that will stop me from getting top rewards.
I'm not asking for free stuff.

I like to stay on top of my game. I did what needs to be done without complaining about the rewards as I get what I work for.
That's why I grinded 10k for the act7 offer. I knew that I would need those mats in future to get an edge. But even so, it wasn't enough.
Climbed my way up in competitive alliance step by step like everyone else. Had r3 before TB progression was introduced too(from abyss).

But "IF" the rewards will have disparity between TB and PRGN(which we don't know yet) it may push me back again. And I don't want to be left behind.

*When was the last time we had to pay a premium to access a game content. Cuz I don't see any other way of potentially missing it.

I am not throwing shots at you (I'd like to but in this case I'm not) when I say this: You haven't explored act6 nor done all carinas, but if you buy all offers you'll get to 3r4s, Is there a problem in that? Absolutely not. Why would it bother me if someone achieve next progression within their own terms. But where do I stand having done everything is the issue.

Id still say 3r4s is a reasonable call as IMO 2 is one too few.
If there was no EOP objectives, I wouldn't be here explaining my point of view. If kabam can provide r4 mats next month, let's say 20% of each, it'd be more justifiable.

I don't want to repeat the same things again and again. Going to stop replying for some time.

SirGamesBond

Worknprogress said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

You'd be surprised honestly. Not saying there are tons but I promise there are more than you think

Im assuming here and take a wild guess, not over 30-35 people?

SirGamesBond

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

And you took a swing and a miss on this one chief. Kabam hasn’t paywalled top AQ or AW. The community has done that. Kabam gave the open market and those with money have chosen how to dictate that market. This is a self imposed thing that the community has decided to do. Kabam has never once said “If you want to be at the top you have to pay”, the players themselves DROVE that economy of spending.

So, wanna take another shot at your argument?

So we both agree top45 is for spenders.
It doesnt matter how we reach at a same place even when taken different routes.
And I have no problem with it. I'm well aware of my progression limits and where I can't push.
You just elaborated how we reached top45, and I just mentioned it for what it is.

SirGamesBond

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

ItsDamien

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

And you took a swing and a miss on this one chief. Kabam hasn’t paywalled top AQ or AW. The community has done that. Kabam gave the open market and those with money have chosen how to dictate that market. This is a self imposed thing that the community has decided to do. Kabam has never once said “If you want to be at the top you have to pay”, the players themselves DROVE that economy of spending.

So, wanna take another shot at your argument?

So we both agree top45 is for spenders.
It doesnt matter how we reach at a same place even when taken different routes.
And I have no problem with it. I'm well aware of my progression limits and where I can't push.
You just elaborated how we reached top45, and I just mentioned it for what it is.

And it’s a self imposed problem. The only people who paywalled it are the spenders, and not Kabam. They’re not at fault for the open market deciding that they were going to spend obscene amounts of money to remain at the top.

Demonzfyre

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Demonzfyre

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

I never said it was easy. No one is saying that. The F2P in top AQ and AW have been at the top for a very long time. They have extensive roster and are most likely arena grinders as well. It's not easy to keep.up with prestige and stay in the top of AW and AQ, but it's still possible. But hey, great job of trying to put words in my mouth. 🤷

Gamer

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

benshb said:

"you can get paragon even if you are FTP"🤡

Then release offers where you can buy 2 whole T3A and T6B 🤔

No because they specifically said that you aren't required to buy offers

Well there’s said
7.4 was needing to buy not at first no

SirGamesBond

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

True.
I'm sure you understand that it's not a 'choice', it's my account's limit.
Something that I have no control on. Which was never the case for previous progression Titles.

I also am aware that I'll get the title pretty early, maybe not on day 1.
I just don't want to miss on a top tier rewards from EOP.
I will work on AW from next season. I'm on a break this month as I'm focused on life atm.

Demonzfyre

SirGamesBond said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

True.
I'm sure you understand that it's not a 'choice', it's my account's limit.
Something that I have no control on. Which was never the case for previous progression Titles.

I also am aware that I'll get the title pretty early, maybe not on day 1.
I just don't want to miss on a top tier rewards from EOP.
I will work on AW from next season. I'm on a break this month as I'm focused on life atm.

Of course I understand that. That's why I prefaced with saying it's people who've been chasing the top from the very beginning. Very developed rosters with all the right prestige pieces. I know a F2P that came in a year ago or even 2 probably isn't in the top because it takes a long time to get the right champs to stay in the top.

TheTalents

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

Brian Grant didn't care to manage his prestige properly so that is horrible example.

But I'm in top 20 and we have 1 ftp guy. Just one out of 30 and he's no where near the highest prestige but he has 3 r4's. The real answer is no one in Top 10 is ftp. No one but top 45 yes there are few but they have some.

Gamer

TheTalents said:

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

Brian Grant didn't care to manage his prestige properly so that is horrible example.

But I'm in top 20 and we have 1 ftp guy. Just one out of 30 and he's no where near the highest prestige but he has 3 r4's. The real answer is no one in Top 10 is ftp. No one but top 45 yes there are few but they have some.

He couldn’t really since he’s didn’t getting suffer with was the highest at that point next to doom it relied one rng with cystal or speed in arena

TheTalents

Gamer said:

TheTalents said:

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

Brian Grant didn't care to manage his prestige properly so that is horrible example.

But I'm in top 20 and we have 1 ftp guy. Just one out of 30 and he's no where near the highest prestige but he has 3 r4's. The real answer is no one in Top 10 is ftp. No one but top 45 yes there are few but they have some.

He couldn’t really since he’s didn’t getting suffer with was the highest at that point next to doom it relied one rng with cystal or speed in arena

I followed Brian for years. He constantly held his stones when he had decent options and he brought his alliance down several points with his prestige. If I was 4Loki I was booted him 3 years ago. Now they're close to top 10 once they dropped him. That sounds harsh but it was just selfish behavior.

Demonzfyre

TheTalents said:

Gamer said:

TheTalents said:

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

Brian Grant didn't care to manage his prestige properly so that is horrible example.

But I'm in top 20 and we have 1 ftp guy. Just one out of 30 and he's no where near the highest prestige but he has 3 r4's. The real answer is no one in Top 10 is ftp. No one but top 45 yes there are few but they have some.

He couldn’t really since he’s didn’t getting suffer with was the highest at that point next to doom it relied one rng with cystal or speed in arena

I followed Brian for years. He constantly held his stones when he had decent options and he brought his alliance down several points with his prestige. If I was 4Loki I was booted him 3 years ago. Now they're close to top 10 once they dropped him. That sounds harsh but it was just selfish behavior.

Not when the alliance allows it. Brian is well respected in 4loki. He even chose to leave this last time around. Most of 4loki are like family and very close. Not that you'd know anything about about that in your super special top 20 alliance you can never seem to stop mentioning.

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TheTalents said:

Gamer said:

TheTalents said:

Polygon said:

Demonzfyre said:

SirGamesBond said:

GroundedWisdom said:

SirGamesBond said:

ItsDamien said:

SirGamesBond said:

So you realise top 45 is gated behind payawall
Also I never had or will have a single issue about being in top AQ.
On my best day of mcoc, grinding the game every day, I don't consider about being in top 45 AQ.

It’s only gated behind a self imposed player paywall. This is an open market in full force.

Lemme know how many f2p players are in top45.
I have every skill to be in any competitive alliance. Show us the "said" players without spending in these alliances. I don't have any issues with this either.

But when kabam includes "f2p players need to be in competitive alliance to get r4 mats" where is the logic in that?

They didn't say anyone HAS to be. They said the people who will have the Title first WILL HAVE been. They also said the Title is going to be something not everyone will have the moment it's released.

Your point of view is true for casual, average, above average players.
It's false for some of us who have done everything kabam asked us to do.

Except for chasing r4 mats in AQ and AW....... So you've done ALMOST what was required to be there day one without spending. Just because it's not a path you chose to take, doesn't make it false.

Are you saying you can be in the top end of AQ without having to spend? Just look at the situation with Brian Grant.

Nobody:

Demonzfyre: you can easily get Paragon without having to spend any money, but you have to be in a top 45 AQ.

Brian Grant didn't care to manage his prestige properly so that is horrible example.

But I'm in top 20 and we have 1 ftp guy. Just one out of 30 and he's no where near the highest prestige but he has 3 r4's. The real answer is no one in Top 10 is ftp. No one but top 45 yes there are few but they have some.

He couldn’t really since he’s didn’t getting suffer with was the highest at that point next to doom it relied one rng with cystal or speed in arena

I followed Brian for years. He constantly held his stones when he had decent options and he brought his alliance down several points with his prestige. If I was 4Loki I was booted him 3 years ago. Now they're close to top 10 once they dropped him. That sounds harsh but it was just selfish behavior.

And your taking the game to serious if u can’t farm any friends or be light meat a lot of your beings dry from the game and all the prestige only resone you in a top 20 is one because people getting lucky one spend

PerfectExample

Paragon isn't made to be easy and easily accessible in the beginning. If it was easier, 2 months from now we'd all be asking for a new title. I'm very ok with the 3 6r4 requirement.