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TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
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Cav EQ. Hela boss.
This node.

I think, hey I'll bring DDHK, he usually counters this annoying falter node (which he does), but why does he take damage during this? Or am I reading the damage preventions from his sig ability as a different source than the Haunted node?

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  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    You can pretty much ignore it. Stay back to make her come to you and wait out the falter debuff if she dashes back. Doom worked very well for me.

    Oh it's not that. I've done DDHK solos. It's just the damage Haunted causes, vs his Sig description. Is it another form of damage than Passive Degen / Direct Damage?
  • Sean_WhoSean_Who Member Posts: 618 ★★★
    Terra said:

    Shiroihara said:

    You can pretty much ignore it. Stay back to make her come to you and wait out the falter debuff if she dashes back. Doom worked very well for me.

    Oh it's not that. I've done DDHK solos. It's just the damage Haunted causes, vs his Sig description. Is it another form of damage than Passive Degen / Direct Damage?
    Doesn't it usually say 'Direct Damage' in whatever ability/node when discussing Direct Damage? You're probably more familiar with DDHK but have you encounter nodes where it doesn't mention Direct Damage and the sig ability still works?
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Sean_Who said:

    Terra said:

    Shiroihara said:

    You can pretty much ignore it. Stay back to make her come to you and wait out the falter debuff if she dashes back. Doom worked very well for me.

    Oh it's not that. I've done DDHK solos. It's just the damage Haunted causes, vs his Sig description. Is it another form of damage than Passive Degen / Direct Damage?
    Doesn't it usually say 'Direct Damage' in whatever ability/node when discussing Direct Damage? You're probably more familiar with DDHK but have you encounter nodes where it doesn't mention Direct Damage and the sig ability still works?
    He works in those scenarios just fine. Turns off alot of incoming "interactive" damage if timed right.
    It's just this Haunted node doesn't mention what type of damage it's doing and it's slightly annoying.
  • MaratoxMaratox Member Posts: 1,648 ★★★★★
    Are you in sticks apprentice mode when you’re hitting her? Because if you’re not then he doesn’t have that ability active
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    edited July 2022
    Maratox said:

    Are you in sticks apprentice mode when you’re hitting her? Because if you’re not then he doesn’t have that ability active

    Of course. Otherwise I wouldn't have made the post.
    I know this.
  • Sean_WhoSean_Who Member Posts: 618 ★★★
    Terra said:

    Sean_Who said:

    Terra said:

    Shiroihara said:

    You can pretty much ignore it. Stay back to make her come to you and wait out the falter debuff if she dashes back. Doom worked very well for me.

    Oh it's not that. I've done DDHK solos. It's just the damage Haunted causes, vs his Sig description. Is it another form of damage than Passive Degen / Direct Damage?
    Doesn't it usually say 'Direct Damage' in whatever ability/node when discussing Direct Damage? You're probably more familiar with DDHK but have you encounter nodes where it doesn't mention Direct Damage and the sig ability still works?
    He works in those scenarios just fine. Turns off alot of incoming "interactive" damage if timed right.
    It's just this Haunted node doesn't mention what type of damage it's doing and it's slightly annoying.
    What scenarios are they?
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  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Member Posts: 2,370 ★★★★★
    Yea, it should get reflected. If you have a high sig Doom, you can kill him in a few slaps (+500% damage because of the nodes).
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    Pin her against her wall and she can’t dash back to falter.
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★
    udyedagain said:

    She dashes back a million times, most annoying fight this month

    It’s like they cranked the dail up on the AI dashing back specifically for that fight lol
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,837 ★★★★
    edited July 2022
    Colinwhitworth69 said:

    Pin her against her wall and she can’t dash back to falter.

    That's what I did & cheesed it every single time 🤣

    https://youtu.be/UazNrBBJ268
  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 936 ★★★★
    Hey Terra - I think it’s because you’re not hitting her when the falter expires and it deals the damage back to you.

    Similarly against Mysterio’s damage reflect, you need to be striking the defender when the damage reflect would occur, I.e when the falter expires.

    I can send a gif of omega vs mysterio for more clarity.
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Hazzalec said:

    Hey Terra - I think it’s because you’re not hitting her when the falter expires and it deals the damage back to you.

    Similarly against Mysterio’s damage reflect, you need to be striking the defender when the damage reflect would occur, I.e when the falter expires.

    I can send a gif of omega vs mysterio for more clarity.

    I know this. I'm actively attacking her during falter, and some time after. No damage ignore, only damage taken on my champions end.
  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 936 ★★★★
    Terra said:

    Hazzalec said:

    Hey Terra - I think it’s because you’re not hitting her when the falter expires and it deals the damage back to you.

    Similarly against Mysterio’s damage reflect, you need to be striking the defender when the damage reflect would occur, I.e when the falter expires.

    I can send a gif of omega vs mysterio for more clarity.

    I know this. I'm actively attacking her during falter, and some time after. No damage ignore, only damage taken on my champions end.
    If your attack lands when the falter expires, as in, the falter expires within the 0.2 second window, then you should take no damage.

    If that’s not happening, then the damage source probably isn’t coded as direct damage/degen, even though it probs should be.
  • RookiieRookiie Member Posts: 4,820 ★★★★★
    Better to get an official response as DDHK’s sig was broken (maybe it still is) and his synergy with Masacre is broken too
    @Kabam Jax could you look into this for us please?
    And push for one of those ‘buffs’
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Rookiie said:

    Better to get an official response as DDHK’s sig was broken (maybe it still is) and his synergy with Masacre is broken too
    @Kabam Jax could you look into this for us please?

    And push for one of those ‘buffs’
    I think any changes like that is gonna take a long time, considering his reception.
    Personally I'd love if they made him work properly
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