Are Rintrah and Wong the first two champs to be balanced and when?

Apologies if this has been discussed before, couldn’t find the thread.
Will Rintrah and Wong be looked at first and roughly when will it be?

I’m hoping Wong gets a bit more damage if possible. He’s such a cool character and has such brilliant animations in the game.

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Etm34

Black Cat and Scorpion were the first new champs to be part of the rebalance program, and they aren’t being touched.

TheLightBringer

I think you're wrong here my friend about wong, Wong only has damage and regen, you can check buddy lee videos for wong clearing LOL, however he lacks utility, if kabam can add some utility to him he'll be top tier

Wicket329

I don’t even think he lacks utility. If I were to change anything on him, I’d just make his spells last a little longer so his ramp up wasn’t stressful at the start to manage.

HenriqueSCCP

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YE2QQzXw_a4

Vance2_jr

They’re both staying as they are with no changes. My R4 Rintrah abides.

Kabam Miike

Speak of the devil... We just posted an update right here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/313084/wong-and-rintrah-balance-follow-up

Shadowstrike

No changes to either!

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Demonzfyre

So those who took him to R4 are biased?

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GrassKnuckles

Wong needed some kinda tune up, he takes to long for nearly all content in the game

Ortoun

The only reason to play wong vs any other mystic is that he really is fun to play, but if I need a mystic that can heal I will take Diablo over him just about every time. Heck, a power drain based on the number of active spells tied to his sp1 would be all he would need to have a clear purpose to exist. I really enjoy playing both wong and rintrah, but rintrah is actually useful and fun where wong is just fun.

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GroundedWisdom

The purpose of reworks isn't to have them measure up against the best.

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GroundedWisdom

That's precisely my point. It isn't to make them more useful compared to other options. It's to increase their usefulness if someone pulls them. It's not a comparison game along the totem pole.

Ortoun

But they should at least have a clear use, as it is, wong doesn't. In most fights that he is worth using for you usually need some other form of utility then just healing. The closest thing I have found to an ideal match for him is against pleasure to burn path in 7.1.1 with the imiw synergy.

Demonzfyre

Ok so you both chose to prefer Rintrah over Wong and you both have them. Doesn't that make you biased towards Rintrah? Your data and Kabams data is different. You see what's in your circle, they see the whole game.

It's also possible that those who have a R4 Wong, don't have Rintrah. It's also possible they just like Wong better but that doesn't really mean they're biased towards Wong.

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BigPoppaCBONE

People might (but probably not) be more accepting and reassured if they could get a bit of the data that Kabam is using to make their assessments. Nothing too crazy, maybe something like

X% of summoners with 5 or 6 star Wong chose to rank him up and Y% of those use him in competitive content with Z% of those fights resulting in victory. This compares favorably to the top 5 used Mystic champs and champs with similar attributes and ratings.

@Kabam Miike , is that something the team might be interested in providing? Nothing that exposes too much, but could cut down on the number of people complaini... No chance of that actually, but I (and others) would like some insight into the process.

Ps_cr7

@Kabam Miike buddy Lee literally did Lol and posted well written analysis, but you guys just went ahead and completely chose to ignore those points. What does the balancing team even look at? On top of that, you mentioned Lol as supportive argument for wong..Wow! 😂

Jkw634

Let’s just keep it real. Most likely will not see player based changes unless a champ is super bad. If they are ok and don’t way overpower they game and have sone functionality in some point if the game probably will not be changed. It is called a rebalance program but it is a kabams cover our butts nerfing program just in case the champ is too powerful but you had been warned they maybe changed so do not need to compensate you.

buddy_LEE

I did extensive testing with Wong and wrote a forum post because I love his design and would love to use him in meaningful content. I also took him to rank 3.

IMO this is a missed opportunity to get people behind the rebalancing program as Wong is not useful for any meaningful content which should not be the case for newly released champs.

He is actually very close though and a small tweak could make a huge difference. He doesn't need to be the best mystic champ out there but he should have a place somewhere in the game. Makes me sad cause kabam hit his design out of the park, he is so fun to use... but no where to use him unless I want to clear labyrinth again

Here is my original forum post on this:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/312027/wong-should-be-the-first-tune-up-since-introducing-champion-balancing#latest

Demonzfyre

I never said not to ask for the data. I think it'd be pretty cool to see that data. But you're basing your opinion off your small subset of data vs Kabams whole picture set of data.

You also have to remember that this balancing program isn't the buff program. If a champion is meeting their criteria, then they won't be balanced. That's the biggest thing to remember here. Not meeting your expectations isn't something they're going to take as he needs to be re-balanced. If he's hitting the mark for their requirements, you'd have to wait for him to get changed in the buff program.

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Kappa2g

You would think that the first showing of the balacing programme would be a buff/improvement to a champion to build rapport/good faith with the community. I guess only time will tell....

Ackbar67

How can you say that he should compare favorably to the top 5 mystics? There's more than 200 champions in this game, and only 30 can be in the top 5 most ranked in their class. The vast majority won't be anywhere near the top 5, especially when you consider the likes of doom, Hercules, kitty, etc

Demonzfyre

That's not the intent of the program.

Demonzfyre

I don't know what their goals for him were. All they said was they've seen him used in those longer fight modes more often. That's where seeing the data would come in handy or a breakdown of the original intent of the champions use. That's what's just mentioned in the announcement so just going off that.

If he's a ramp up champ that takes awhile, it makes sense for what they said.