Interaction mags against dragon man

Fit_Fun9329

Hi guys,

Quick question.

Mags reduces AA by 70%. I put 3/3 in pacify now, which means additional 30% AA reduction on parry. When I parry now, shouldn’t this guarantee that no armor break will apply on parry?

Surely there is an interaction I am missing? Fact is, sometimes I apply armor break and get degeneration on me.

MasterzxPro

Does it only happend when gets stunned or just on an parry?

djr17

It isn't additive. Mags reduces to a 30% chance to apply the Armor break. Pacify then reduces by another 30%, or 9% of the original, so he still has a 21% chance for it to apply.

K00shMaan

There could also be an order of operations thing here. The defender is not stunned when you parry him, he is stunned immediately after or at the same time. At the moment you actually parry him, he is not under the effect of stun. That extra 30% (or 21%) reduction while stunned might not be even coming into play at all.

Fit_Fun9329

🤔 interesting thanks

Fit_Fun9329

Played him stun immune ☺️

TheLightBringer

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

Graves_3

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

Now we know how swedeah gets those insane solos 😉

13579rebel_

Pacify reduces AA by 30% while the opponent is stunned it doesn't effect any parry abilities only while the are stunned

Fit_Fun9329

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

Same here bro! Your only option is to play it stun immune ..

https://youtu.be/QirnmoTmKAs

I can suggest this video

TheLightBringer

Fit_Fun9329 said:

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

Same here bro! Your only option is to play it stun immune ..

https://youtu.be/QirnmoTmKAs

I can suggest this video

I did already using units unfortunately, but I still can't understand what was wrong there

altavista

Managed to defeat DM with Magneto after several attempts and then using a couple revives to continue my best attempt.

I avoided parry stunning, to avoid even that 30% chance of placing armor break and getting degen'd. But, on the flipside, there were several attempts were Unstoppable kept proc'ing. So I am still running into that bad RNG.

It is always amazing how good of RNG so many players have, that they can proclaim that DM is so easy with Magneto.

Xed

I had this problem with my 6*r2 unawakened magneto: I kept inflicting armor breaks on Parry. I landed 0 armor breaks with my awakened 5*r1 mags. Winding if I should r4 my 5* mags. 😛 I think the magnet bonus from being awakened increases ability accuracy by 100%. That's what's happening with Swedeah.

CoatHang3r

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

I wonder if the timing difference between the beta input issue setting is the reason why people are experiencing this discrepancy, someone with pacify should test it with the setting on and off to see if there is a difference.

Erik_Killmonger1001

CoatHang3r said:

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

I wonder if the timing difference between the beta input issue setting is the reason why people are experiencing this discrepancy, someone with pacify should test it with the setting on and off to see if there is a difference.

Tried it and not getting much difference tbh, I might even turn off parry mastery since red mags has 50% perfect block which should carry me through

Crusaderjr

used maxed sig mags and parried him the whole fight. if you parry him at the very beginning of the fight or use specials that apply armor break you will degen.
basic parry after you apply magnetic passive you can parry at will.
easiest eop imo

Terminatrix

Fit_Fun9329 said:

Played him stun immune ☺️

Please explain how you played him stun immune

Erik_Killmonger1001

Crusaderjr said:

used maxed sig mags and parried him the whole fight. if you parry him at the very beginning of the fight or use specials that apply armor break you will degen.
basic parry after you apply magnetic passive you can parry at will.
easiest eop imo

It is a bug, a full 30+ seconds into the fight I parry stun and inflict armour break, while both magnetism and pacify are active.

Terminatrix

Fit_Fun9329 said:

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

Same here bro! Your only option is to play it stun immune ..

https://youtu.be/QirnmoTmKAs

I can suggest this video

How did you play it stun immune?

Crusaderjr

Erik_Killmonger1001 said:

Crusaderjr said:

used maxed sig mags and parried him the whole fight. if you parry him at the very beginning of the fight or use specials that apply armor break you will degen.
basic parry after you apply magnetic passive you can parry at will.
easiest eop imo

It is a bug, a full 30+ seconds into the fight I parry stun and inflict armour break, while both magnetism and pacify are active.

you using white mags? cause im using red. i played it over like 20 times trying to get a 1 shot and worked all the time. thats an insane bug if its broken lol

Terminatrix

CoatHang3r said:

TheLightBringer said:

Something is wrong with this fight, swdeah uploaded a video an hour ago doing like 80 parries or smth and never got an armor break, while when I do it I get the armor break within the first 5 parries, I have pacify and petrify both maxed 3/3 and I wait till magnetism is applied before doing anything, yet it's not working for me and it works for some other people

I wonder if the timing difference between the beta input issue setting is the reason why people are experiencing this discrepancy, someone with pacify should test it with the setting on and off to see if there is a difference.

I just tried this fight again. I waited a few seconds until after Magnetized was applied before I parried him. It worked.

Mackey

I used mags for the villain obj, got him down with 1 revive but I did notice that an armour break applied to dragonman after a sp3 ... I can't find anything in mags description which states armour break is applied from a sp3 .... am I missing something?

Terra

Mackey said:

I used mags for the villain obj, got him down with 1 revive but I did notice that an armour break applied to dragonman after a sp3 ... I can't find anything in mags description which states armour break is applied from a sp3 .... am I missing something?

If opponent is bleed immune, he applies armor breaks.

altavista

Terminatrix said:

I just tried this fight again. I waited a few seconds until after Magnetized was applied before I parried him. It worked.

It really shows how RNG plays a role in player's experiences are. For some people, the 70% AAR with pacify translates into 100% shutdown; for others 70% AAR with pacify still results in the occasional armor break/degen.

I've done the waiting for magnetized before parrying, sometimes not parrying until I am 30 seconds plus into the fight, and still sometimes apply the armor break and get degen.

Kuga_ZA

I seem to think it's a problem with the 6* version of Magento.

My alt account I could parry / heavy with a 5/65 awakened. Full petrify / pacify. Had NO degen at all. Don't think unstoppable triggered at all as well.

My main account, 6* R3, unwakened. Full petrify / pacify. Alway get degen damage and unstoppable procs more often than it should.

Can everyone who has and who hasn't had issues please state if you're using a 5 * or 6* version?

And yes, I wait until DM is magnetized first before using my first parry.

Kuga_ZA

Kuga_ZA said:

I seem to think it's a problem with the 6* version of Magento.

My alt account I could parry / heavy with a 5/65 awakened. Full petrify / pacify. Had NO degen at all. Don't think unstoppable triggered at all as well.

My main account, 6* R3, unwakened. Full petrify / pacify. Alway get degen damage and unstoppable procs more often than it should.

Can everyone who has and who hasn't had issues please state if you're using a 5 * or 6* version?

And yes, I wait until DM is magnetized first before using my first parry.

Someone reported in another thread they're having the same degen issue with a 5*.

So my theory is dead in the water.

Pseudo_19

Kuga_ZA said:

Kuga_ZA said:

I seem to think it's a problem with the 6* version of Magento.

My alt account I could parry / heavy with a 5/65 awakened. Full petrify / pacify. Had NO degen at all. Don't think unstoppable triggered at all as well.

My main account, 6* R3, unwakened. Full petrify / pacify. Alway get degen damage and unstoppable procs more often than it should.

Can everyone who has and who hasn't had issues please state if you're using a 5 * or 6* version?

And yes, I wait until DM is magnetized first before using my first parry.

Someone reported in another thread they're having the same degen issue with a 5*.

So my theory is dead in the water.

Maybe not fully dead, I’m the person you’re referring to but my 5* isn’t sig 200, maybe the theory lives on?

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Pseudo_19

Dave7099 said:

Android/iphone?

iPhone 12 promax, used 3/3 pacify, red mags sig 140 and I was getting a lot of armor breaks on parry

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Magrailothos

I'm having the same issue - 5* 5/65 Red Magneto, Sig 200.

I'm regularly getting armour breaks on Parry despite maxing Pacify. Presumably the armour break takes effect first.

I'm also never seeing the Unblockable node fail to proc. Like, never...